Most misogynists, it would seem, are loath to admit that they’re misogynists. “How can you say I hate women?” they’ll ask. “After all, I love my sister. She’s not like the rest of those whores.” Or, “I just hate Western Women.” Or whatever fine distinction they like to make to pretend that their hatred of pretty much every woman they ever come across, or imagine in their overheated little brains, is something other than misogyny.
Then there are those who not only admit their misogyny but who are downright proud of it, thinking it’s a sign of their own personal superiority. Today, a pretty good example of Proud Misogyny, taken from the reactionary Christian blog Samson’s Jawbone.
Our intrepid woman-hater starts off by contrasting his brand of misogyny to the peculiar kind of woman-appreciation advocated by the PUA gasbag now known as Heartiste (but still known as Roissy when this post was written):
Roissy is fond of saying that he’s not a “misogynist”; no, learning the unvarnished truth about female psychology has given him a *higher* appreciation for women. Not so for me. Sociosexual philosophy has disillusioned me beyond all reckoning. Peering deep into the psyche of woman has rendered me grievously scornful in feeling and mercilessly unscrupulous in behaviour towards these unholy, ungodly beings. I venture to say that… I hate them. Yes, I hate them! And how could I not?
Did I mention that he has literary pretensions as well? Like a lot of reactionaries, Mr. Jawbone has adopted a melodramatic, vaguely archaic prose style that he evidently feels is the height of literary sophistication, but which sounds a lot more like the monologuing of some cartoon villain.
Oh, the vile criteria by which women judge menfolk! O, abominable, loathsome beings!
Is anyone else reminded of Newman from Seinfeld?
But Mr. Jawbone is just getting started:
A creature so damnably constituted as to admire a man for his “social dominance” – by which is meant his ability to waltz through an absurd series of meaningless, contrived riddles – rather than his work ethic, his self-sacrifice, his affability, his charity, his honesty, his justice – in short, his righteousness and integrity; such a creature deserves to be used and abused like a cheap street harlot – or better yet, a vermin-ridden ass – and discarded appropriately. Nothing more; she merits nothing better.
Here’s an actual vermin-ridden ass, having a nice scratch in the dirt:
Oh, but Mr. Jawbone isn’t done yet:
Words like “honour”, “duty”, “kindness”… those things that define goodness and rightness… all meaningless, meaningless to this wretched, wicked half of the human race. And do women who profess belief in something “higher”; women who should know better, afford any solace? No. Instead they show themselves as fraudulent, fickle hellcats who think good men are “weak”. So alas, I can no longer view the distaff horde with anything besides revulsion and contempt. They perjure themselves by their own words; they are beasts, deserving nothing but callous treatment and damnation; and I can wish nothing upon them but furious hatred, ignominy and a miserable passing.
What a cheery fellow!
I take no joy in penning the above – but I feel clean and spotless as the lamb. What else is to be said for a lot that believes black to be white, up to be down, and good men to be worthless? Poor Ashley Wilkes, and all good men.
Hate to break it to you, dude, but you’re not actually a good man. You’re a pompous dickbag. Oh, sorry, you’re a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave!
(Thanks to Shakespeare for that last insult, and to Quackers for pointing me to Mr. Jawbone’s post.)
Everyone else, yes, that bit about asked her genitals in a job interview is legit. Twitter peeps should follow @sophiaphotos cuz that was her, this week.
Katz — inconsistent bullshit while claiming we just don’t understand. So it’s either Al or Scott Adams 🙂
Oh God Scott Adams XD But it can’t be him or 10 totally different people would also have shown up to tell us how brilliant he is!
I think this is a new flavor of troll, but then, I always do.
Would you rather we ignored pompous troll, Argenti? I’m having fun but it’s way too close to home for you. 🙁
@Perfectus Raymond:
Which is more likely?
You genuinely believe everything you profess to believe, and you are true to your faith in every meaningful way – and our miscommunications are down merely to that, miscommunications and misunderstandings between people for very, very different faiths – and so your consistently strange tone, despite clearly having access to the Internet and enough tech savy to comment and block quote efficiently, is just an indicator of a curious personality.
OR
You are, as many others who come here, naught but a troll who seeks to bait people on and have picked a good guise to slyly make prods at people with, as attacking faith is difficult and Catharism offers a fantastic, fantastic cloak for hiding under when it comes to prodding people for every single thing (Design of the material world being evil, and all that).
If you are genuinely a Perfecti of the Catharist Faith, then I am sorry for attacking you, and I apologize for my rudely spoken words and my errant assumptions. You have a good legacy, and I suggest you honour it elsewhere, because we will not find common ground.
If you are a just a troll, then you know what my answer is:
“Pox and pie and phee to you, fie and foo and shoo shoo shoo
all you do and all you did and all you’ve done
is troll, troll, trolling and it AIN’T NO FUN
Scream and scratch and scurrilous scandal
your attempts at being moralistic is usurious and you’re a vandal
That was a direct attack at your intentions and stance
So huff and puff as we call your bluff
now scamper off”
Fibinachi, you’ve already won teh internets today, how many spares do you think we have?
That poem should totally be kept as a standard response to the boring trolls.
… My internets keeps me warm at night. Thank you, though, Kitteh. I’m very honored that you find my little caffeinated puns and “poetry” amusing.
Kitteh — by all means, enjoy whacking at him if you like!
And fuck it, if he is what he claims, he’s still violating his own beliefs by calling us feeble and whatnot. For someone claiming to distance himself from the material world, he’s awfully interested in what other people are doing. Why the obsession with birth control and sex when veganism is often treated as a joke, while, at least in the US, major politicians are being taken seriously while arguing against birth control?
Idk whether his complaints about NHS funding it are unique, or national, but here? That’s nothing like a minority position, he’s got talking heads arguing against birth control already. Meanwhile we (the US) prop up industries like the beef industry, you’d think he’d give at least a single fuck whether we’re animal killing carnivores.
Instead he’s musing on whether I’m intentionally breeding my fish. At the least, his priorities are all out of whack.
In short, if we’re playing “I think therefore I am” you can’t disprove solipsism and we might as well all be bots. So why care if we’re discussing sex, we’re potentionally not real (things get a bit wonky here, seeing how the texts he’s learning from may also be “planted” by ah, how to word this, false gods, of a sort)
If nothing is real there’s no point in any of his arguments (and um, the inverse of gnostic asceticism is hedonism, which is, of course, exactly what’s bothering him so much — we’re feeble hedonists)
Four years if Latin, with another year of Greco-roman mythology, dude I probably know more Greek mythos than you, but do continue thinking that I just don’t understand.
And where is pecunium when I want to wax philosophical!
Also, I think one of my new plants is succumbing to transplant shock and could use some gardening advice…
I’d say that my hedonism is rather muscular, actually.
IME, you just kinda have to wait out transplant shock :/ With plenty of water, most plants will pull through, though.
Whenever I see a Descartes reference I slip to
… and Rene Descartes was a drunken fart
“I drink, therefore I am”
which is a whole lot better than anything that animal-hating piece of shit had to say for reals.
Muscular hedonism sounds like a fortunate cross between Muscular Christianity and good ol’ Roman decadence. 😀
HEY RAYMOND
I HAVE SEX WITH A KING
AND HE’S SITTIN’ HERE LAUGHING AT YOU
::blows raspberries::
… what the heck was in that cup of tea?
katz — MOAR WATER it is, thank you.
And yes, my hedonism’s been around the block a time or two. Blocks full of coffee, whiskey, and mango juice and vodka. I haz a sad guys, I can’t really do that here as my mother requires I hide my booze from my alcoholic father and mango juice needs fridge…and I just remembered I have a can of mango juice that doesn’t need to be kept cold…
Thank you hive mind!
Weird. As far as faiths go, neopaganism is on the more enlightened side. You posted this:
“Do you speak so condescendingly about similar neo-movements, like neopaganism? Of course it was practically wiped out (in the most horrible way) by the Cathar crusade instigated by the Roman Catholic Church, but there were always Cathars in southern France who kept their faith hidden and preserved it over hundreds of years. Also, though I wasn’t introduced by members of this unbroken line of Cathars, why should my faith be any less real?”
But then you posted this:
“This blog, excuses and rationalizes a lot of sinful behaviour and does it by using faux-common-sense and by cloaking itself in an image of cuteness.”
A neopagan would never think of sexually active people as sinful. Cathars wiped them out? You identify as a Cathar. Are you talking out of both sides of your ass?
Whiskey tea of course!
Can’t wait to see him call a king feeble minded (just wait til he figures out which king, oh the decadence!)
“A neopagan would never think of sexually active people as sinful.”
Lol there’s a reason I made that “they’re called condoms” gif. Use protection and enjoy!
Oh wait, protection is extra sinful…I still don’t get how funding birth control to prevent sinful sex is anything more than the tired old “wanton woman!” troupe.
I loved Fibinachi’s troll curse so much that I made a post out of it:
http://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/an-imprecation-against-trolls/
😀
Argenti – 😀
Not that Sir was decadent back in the day, that was more his father and son’s schtick. On the contrary, he was known for being quite austere.
These days, though … well, giggling over inadvertent rude jokes at breakfast is probably terribly decadent. As is being under the rule of so many kitties, of course.
“And yes, my hedonism’s been around the block a time or two.”
I heard that in a Humphrey Bogart doing his best Phillip Marlowe type of voice. 😀
Okay, time to go, keep the troll warm until I get back!
Kitteh — there’s debate over whether he was having sexytimes with people besides his wife, and *gasp* interested in men too, right?
Material world!
Hell, he had kids, that’s quite enough for Perfectus.
Good point, good point!
The answer from him (which I asked about ages ago) is that the answer is “yes” with Cinq-Mars but not with anyone else, at least not more than, I dunno, making out would be the best term I suppose, and not even that with the women.
Not just two kids, either – six, including the ones who weren’t born! Oh the horror!
I am disappointed with trolly, though. No answer … these modern trolls have no staying power. (Sleep? Since when do trolls sleep?)
…I still think that makes him feeble minded per Perfectus…pretty sure I’d have refrained from saying that anywhere near him in his earthly days (at least the guillotine might be the most humane method of execution? About a hundred years off there though…)
Point? Don’t call kings feeble minded. If you’re going to be executed, pick the guillotine, no chance of error, and you’re dead in way under a minute (why yes, I have thought about this)
But a male lover! And some sort of dalliances with not-his-wife (lol, to steal a Doctor Who “it’s France, practically another planet”…weren’t lovers kind of the norm until, oh, the latest president got caught with his?)
But six kids?! OMGS the sinfulness! Just how many offspring do you need! (Clearly quite a few considering the modifier about stillbirths? miscarriages? Either/both/not heirs)
Also, trolly is sleeping? That might be the best evidence he isn’t 90% of our trolls. There was a point I actually logged Steele’s time between posts, because for about four days he went barely six hours between them with frequency. Like, he couldn’t have slept more than ~16 hours, in four days, because he was so obsessed with the definition of misandry. (And this, folks lurking or new to Mr. Al, is part of why he’s fucking creepy)
Speaking of sleep though, it’s 5-fucking-30 here, and I don’t mean dinner time. So I’m off. G’night guys!
Niters Argenti! Sleep well!
That’s a good thing if this likely isn’t Mr Al. I mean, just anyway, but it makes a change having someone else (even if Raymond is a sock). He’s lasted too long to be Pell, don’tcha think? Pell seems to have lost all his stamina, his meltdowns come much faster than they used to. That, or his mum catches him on the computer sooner than she did.
Yeah, the guillotine is a humane method, probably the most humane for speed of action, at least. That was what it was invented for, to make a clean, quick death. Two at least of the conspirators Louis had executed (one of whom was Cinq-Mars) would have passed a lot more quickly and easily if they’d had the guillotine available, instead of incompetent headsmen doing the job.
“Practically another planet” LOL! Which story was that in? Girl in the Fireplace was one of my favourites, especially when Ten’s bouncing around saying “I’ve snogged Madame de Pompadour!”
Lovers (female ones, anyway – male could trash a king’s reputation, witness Henri III) were certainly the norm. Milor’ was side-eyed for not having a string of mistresses, though he’d have been just as side-eyed if he had and they’d had any sort of political influence. Not that there was much likelihood of that; he really didn’t like women’s company much in those days. It was a largely homosocial world in the king’s household (even more so in the upper military, of course), and that suited him just fine.
With the kids, yeah, the miscarriages … four before two live births, augh. Possibly more, if there were times when Anne hadn’t known she was pregnant. And they had to keep trying, because they needed a son. No inheriting the throne for women, nor through the female line. Apart from Louis needing to consolidate his rule (and his dynasty – he was only the second) by having an heir, he really needed to keep his oxygen-thief brother Gaston off the throne!
Oh gods I’m monologuing again. 😛
So the troll is pretending to belong to a long-dead religion that was wiped out by religious persecution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#Social_relationships
Everything he’s saying comes straight off the wikipedia page.
Let me tell you straight up; that doesn’t happen in real life. I was part of a well-documented church for a long time, a conservative church, and nobody I ever met fit perfectly into the wiki description.
But let’s just take a moment to recognize that stealing and appropriating the identity of a religious minority that was literally killed out in a crusade is a particularly gross thing for our socktastic trolls to do.
Oh, and Diogenes?
In a mixed system, Socialism and Capitalism, then every single fucking person down the line got paid. Nothing’s “free” except in the sense that society has decided that it’s better to bear the cost as a society.
Y’know. The way all societies do.
It’s just that instead of saying ‘we will all bear the cost of killing brown people in wars for oil’ we decide that we’ll pay for something that benefits people and makes life better and happier for everybody.
Thus your entire argument is a series of confused attempts to change the subject.
What the hell is wrong with you?