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Lesbianism by numbers, courtesy of the Men’s Rights subreddit. Plus kitties.

They're probably feminists too.

The smirky MRA douchebag thingsarebad didn’t win a lot of friends when he used to comment here. Ironically, it seems that he’s not doing that much better over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, where his comments tend to garner about as many downvotes as upvotes. Yes, it is possible to be too much of a douche for even the highly douche-tolerant Men’s Rights subreddit.

Anyway, all that is a sort of rambling prelude to my main point here, which is: thingsarebad has figured out that whole “lesbian” thing, and wants to share his results with the world. Also, feminism. His science is tight.

Confused a bit by that explanation? Would you like a much, much longer explanation, replete with fake statistics he’s “mentated” out of his ass? Well, prepare yourself a stiff drink and take a look at this megacomment of his from earlier in that same thread.

We’ll just wait here while you digest all that.

Done? Share your thoughts below, or check out the ShitRedditSays discussion of it all.

Or just watch this video of a rather portly cat climbing into a vase.

Hey, I promised a kitty video to someone in the comments here a couple of days ago. I may be a little slow sometimes, but I am a man of my word.

While I’m at it, here’s a bonus vid of a kitty and a Kleenex box.

 

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Dracula
Dracula
10 years ago

I can tell you that there is a certain demographic pattern of Western woman who converts.

And that pattern would be what, exactly? You have any statistics?

Pecunium
10 years ago

Dave: To take a SWAG: He’s trying to distance himself from his past.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

FYI: Futrelle has begun to censor me when I debate, so keep that in mind.

darksidecat
10 years ago

Queer and trans people neither need nor want cis heteros to pontificate and theorize about our origins and desires. Please fuck off.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

…I’m not shocked that people don’t know my gender without my telling them, MRAL. It’s the Internet. People don’t know what your gender is on the Internet unless you tell them.

Brom, there is nothing wrong with women choosing to wear the veil. The keyword here is CHOOSE. If it comes from honest religious belief, go ahead. If it comes from society telling you you’re a dirty slut who deserves to be raped if you wear it, not cool. But even then lay the blame on the people who make women wear the veil, not veil-wearers themselves.

I’ve found many veils women wear remarkably pretty.

katz
10 years ago

You are born either male or female. This is not open to debate.

So if you end a statement with “This is not open to debate,” no one is allowed to disagree with you? Good to know.

Rainbow Dash is the best pony. This is not open to debate.

Things Are Bad
10 years ago

“Or to get the idea that masculine/effeminate and homo/hetero are linked pairs.”

Not linked but often associated.

“oh-so-involved with LGBT groups yet not manage to actually, like, get to know many lesbians.”

I had a few lesbian acquaintances, but I no longer work there. They did tend to have some silly notions like the idea that health insurance should pay for trans operations, but overall they were less radical than your average young LGBT group. These women tended to be older. And the LGBT group at my work had a big focus on just gaining acceptance, not trying to push an ideology to get special advantages over everyone else. In that sense they were atypical of LGBT groups. So yes, I’ve known a few lesbians, but they were atypical.

“Or not know any masculine bisexuals. I am SO MIFFED to discover I don’t exist, you guys, you don’t even know.”

I never said that. Read. Comprehend. Post.

“Also, what is the point of making up a bunch of statistics?”

As clearly stated, they were guesses for the purposes of demonstration.

Why do I keep having to repeat things I already said? Come on people.

“Queer and trans people neither need nor want cis heteros to pontificate and theorize about our origins and desires.”

Oh hush, elitist. Who said I’m cis hetero? Not that it’s relevant.

“I’d have thought that MRAs would be the least reliable source of information about lesbians, bar none, for reasons too obvious to need explaining to 99% of Manboobz readers. What on earth makes you think otherwise?”

Plenty of MRAs, both gay and heterosexual, have plenty of experience with lesbians AND feminists. Ever heard of Jack Donovan?

Joanna
10 years ago

“Because he looks right, and people who don’t look past his post will, often, assume he is quoting some reputable source (or at least testable) and so give him credence. The stats are cred-building. He will be quoted by other idjits, who will cite his numbers with phrases like, “I think TAB did a good job in his post about why women are lesbians, the numbers look good to me.”

Just look at the recent comments about Spearhead and Will Farrell by Heroicman (or whatever his name is). Those guys said things he liked, so he quotes them. Same here, and the shitty-stats make it more likely. It’s not as if the folks we see in the MRM understand science, or math, or even simple stats.”

You need to be one sad and lonely person to make shit up just for the approval of anonymous internet dwellers. I get the impression that these guys sort of live a second life on these forums because they don’t fit in with the real world. Ever see Catfish? It’s quite creepy.

Joanna
10 years ago

@katz: Rarity!

Things Are Bad
10 years ago

The relationship between Jeremiah and myself is a complex one. 🙂

Xanthe
Xanthe
10 years ago

Plenty of MRAs, both gay and heterosexual, have plenty of experience with lesbians AND feminists. Ever heard of Jack Donovan?

And the proof of that is that you can only name one guy. At least this gives us an idea of the in depth research and grasp of statistics, as well as cited peer-reviewed literature that you used to demonstrate your initial essay on reddit. Oh wait… you didn’t do any of that, and just pulled the numbers and arguments out of your ass.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

Futrelle is pulling strings to delete my most reasonable posts, fyi. He shares his ideology apparently with Big Brother.

ozymandias42
10 years ago

TAB: You have three groups that contain bisexual women (since you would, I am sure, consider me a woman by virtue of my tits). All three of them have “naturally feminine” in the first sentence. I am “naturally” masculine and bisexual.

I also don’t hate men, have never been abused by a man and am neither narcissistic nor borderline, so I, like, doubly don’t exist.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

And the LGBT group at my work had a big focus on just gaining acceptance, not trying to push an ideology to get special advantages over everyone else. In that sense they were atypical of LGBT groups.

Because typical LGBT groups are constantly pushing for special privileges, liiiiiike..?

darksidecat
10 years ago

Oh hush, elitist. Who said I’m cis hetero? Not that it’s relevant.

Your words, the way you talk about queer people, screams it loud and clear. And it is super fucking relevant because you are talking about us and our lives. So, again, go fuck yourself.

Wetherby
Wetherby
10 years ago

And the proof of that is that you can only name one guy.

One guy. Being cited as an authority on lesbianism.

Now I don’t have any particular problem with the notion of a man trying to get to grips with lesbianism per se – unless he does it by perversely marginalizing if not completely ignoring the voices and opinions of lesbians themselves.

It could be argued that this is keeping up a longstanding tradition that dates back centuries, but there’s really no excuse for it any more.

ithiliana
10 years ago

@David: In case anyone is wondering, the comment from MRAL I didn’t let through referred to intersex people as “deformed.” I didn’t think it added to the discussion.

Thank you!

Apparently MRAL doesn’t understand what debate consists of. Calling intersexed people names is not debate.

ithiliana
10 years ago

One of my rules: if somebody talks about LGBT people wanting “special rights,” I know that they are homophobic and do not support EQUAL rights.

Then I know I needn’t pay any attention to the crap they spew.

KathleenB
KathleenB
10 years ago

MRAL: You’re posting on a private blog. You have precisely as many rights to post here as David says you do. Same as me, same as anyone else.

Things Are Bad
10 years ago

Ozy, are you a tranny or an actual woman?

Assuming you’re an actual woman I can’t tell you where you lie without more information. If you’re a tranny, then my original post doesn’t apply to you.

Oh, aren’t you that one who runs the what about the menz blog? With that information I can tell you you actually do hate men. I’d place you in Group E:

“Group E: 20% are naturally feminine and bisexual, really, not lesbian. This group also tends to be quite narcissistic / borderline. Hard to gauge what percentage of these really have a strong hate for men because they don’t really care for anybody but themselves; maybe 25% have a strong hatred of men.”

I will make an update to Group E because you are right that they aren’t necessarily feminine, they’re just really manipulative which is a feminine characteristic. Thanks for helping me improve it.

Do note that you may also be a member of Group B, which I stated here actually includes Group E: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/m96wv/my_roommate_is_a_feminist_family_law_lawyer/c2z4smb

As I stated yesterday, before you even brought it up:

“so does Group E belong with Group B, as Group E is similarly malleable in their sexuality, distinguished only by their narcissism and the specific cultural factors that contribute to their sexuality.”

Now if you’re a tranny I’d actually say that you’re the type of tranny who is narcissistic and hateful. You know, like the folks at r/TransphobiaProject. These types really aren’t much different than the women in Group E – similar mentalities, I mean: the extremes of female-type narcissism.

It would be an interesting exercise to try to place you and the “good” transexuals (those who aren’t narcissistic and hateful) within groups as well to come up with a “unified theory of gender” but I’m not really in the mood.

ithiliana
10 years ago

@KathleenB: And as we keep telling him, he can set up his own blog and control his own space any way he wants. He doesn’t have a clue about what censorship actually is.

Things Are Bad
10 years ago

The more I think about it the more I think it’s a mistake to separate Group B & Group E, when so many of the posters here clearly fall in one of the two groups. I think that’s because feminism exacerbates female solipsism and narcissism. Group E members are really just the most radical of Group B, the most vile and hateful of anti-male radical feminists. Interesting indeed.

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