The general line amongst manosphere misogynists is that American women are a bunch of stuck-up princesses whose “ginas” – that is, vaginas – tingle only in the presence of “thugs” and “alpha males.” But one YouTube ranter calling himself LogicJunkie has a somewhat different theory, as he recently explained in a note to the moderator of the Happier Abroad forums. American women, it turns out, are basically all Nazis at heart, “preoccupied with … eugenic perfection in males.” Let’s follow LogicJunkie’s, er, logic:
American females regard as a “creep” any guy who isn’t at least six feet tall, with a pronounced chin, a jock physique, and, in general, Ken doll good Aryan looks. And money is important, too, but not nearly as important as the physiological eugenics. So, in good Germanic fashion, I think what they’re mainly concerned about, is somehow being contaminated by the mere presence of the inferior. …
America is, now more than ever, a Germano-eugenicist death camp, wrapped in the facade of “capitalism” and “corporatism” and “pop culture” and blah, blah, blah. But it’s all about covertly advancing the genetic omnipresence of the Teutonic physiological ideal.
I hate to poop on LogicJunkie’s logic here but, dude, if all the women you’re meeting turn out to be eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis, it does not therefore follow that all American women are eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis. It may just mean you should stop cruising for chicks at Klan meetings.
I would really love MRAL and NWO to account for the rarely seen phenomenon known as the “couple,” in which two people, most often of average appearance, have an ongoing and mutually satisfying sexual relationship.
IT HAPPENS.
That’s bs, some men may have a hangup, but the spit upon oppressed short men will jump at a chance to get with any attractive women, including tall ones. They won’t approach you because as a tall woman they’ll assume you’ll look at them like shit on your shoe.
Plus, there seems to be this idea that if two ugly people get together, it “doesn’t count” or they must both be miserable with each other. Sometimes two “omegas” can get quite snuggly–as a fat girl dating a nerdy boy, I promise you, this is a possibility.
More than anything, though, I want to know what these dudes (MRAL, NWO) want. Like, you’ve made your complaint clear, now I want to know:
If you were King of the World, what exactly would you change?
A lot of MRA complaints fall into a category I’ve come to think of as “Women are human! UNFAIR!” To wit:
— Women want to date people they find attractive! UNFAIR!
— Women like to be treated with basic manners! UNFAIR!
— When women aren’t happy in a relationship, they leave! UNFAIR!!
— Women often have and enjoy sex! UNFAIR!
— Women pursue jobs and college degrees! UNFAIR!
— Women don’t often look like Playboy centerfolds! UNFAIR!
— Women age! UNFAIR!
— Women have friends and families, and if you marry one you’ll probably have to meet them! UNFAIR!
— Some women are nice and some are jerks! UNFAIR!
— Women have all kinds of different interests and tastes! UNFAIR!
My husband and I are the same height (and, hey, so is NWO!). Do I win something?
For what it’s worth, I always got turned down when I went after guys who were shorter than me. I’ve also had guy friends bitch to me about how they couldn’t get dates because they were short, immediately after explaining to me that they refused to date women taller than themselves.
Whatever. Being a short dude is good because it makes your cock look bigger.
“Drop out rate, suicides, crime, ect. is all a skyrocketing. Going hand in hand with the destruction of the man/woman/child family gig. Hows that workin out for ya? But I’m sure those are two completely unrelated, coincidental occurances. Feminism to the rescue!”
Proof plox! And as you are making these assertions, the burden of proof is on you. And even if you do have the appreciate statistics, correlation is not causation!
Increased suicide rates could, really, be a coincide. Or from the lack of connection in modern society. Or maybe there is less shame in committing suicide now, so family members are less likely to try and cover it up? WHO KNOWS.
And I’m pretty sure the divorce rate started increasing significantly after the advent of feminism. Which has been a noticeable movement for over a hundred years, now.
NWOslave, the crime rate has been falling since the mid 90s. By examining the crime rate in Romania for the same time period and taking into account the age of the criminals we can look for correlating information that can shed light on causation. At the same time that feminism led to the decriminalization of abortion in the U.S. Ceaușescu effectively eliminated all abortion in Romania. When the cohort of children born in the U.S. in the post Roe v. Wade world reached the age of peak criminal involvement crime declined dramatically. By contrast when the same cohort in Romania reached the same age crime skyrocketed. Now there are other factors in play besides the fact that the children in the U.S. had a greater chance of being wanted children, but the correlation between feminism and falling crime rates is there to see.
People bitch and moan about how CEOs are mostly white and male, which is true. But did you also know that like 60% of them are above 6’1? Honestly, that’s a bigger problem.
Fatman – yes absolutely on the consent. Forgive my brevity.
“I would really love MRAL and NWO to account for the rarely seen phenomenon known as the “couple,” in which two people, most often of average appearance, have an ongoing and mutually satisfying sexual relationship.”
Well, they’ve accounted for the so-called abomination of a couple who don’t like each other anymore getting a divorce. So I guess they don’t care whether the relationship is mutually satisfying, either sexually or otherwise as long as neither spouse chooses to leave if they are unhappy.
@Amnesia
Come now, you said “if” in the context of something a man should do. Not it the context of whether he wants to or not. Don’t play coy with me, I’m not MRAL who you can mince words with.
You’ve had it far too easy since I’ve been away.
@law1204
Fidelity is something defined on an individual basis? Surely you jest, right? Well gee whiz then, lets all just hop in the sack with whoever we feel like but we’ll all percieve ourselves as loyal. What a steaming load in poodoo.
Also fidelity is the norm, no society that practiced what you preach has survived in all of history. My guess is theres a reason.
“Fidelity is something defined on an individual basis? Surely you jest, right?”
Not at all. Plenty of couples have open relationships or are swingers, etc. Some people choose to stay in relationships where their partner is unfaithful – IE, they tolerate cheating for whatever reason. There is a large spectrum of sexual expression that humans engage in. The one-man-one-woman-forever model is relatively rare, actually.
“Also fidelity is the norm, no society that practiced what you preach has survived in all of history.”
Actually no society adheres to the “one man one woman for life” model anywhere in the world that I can think of. Anyone care to correct me?
NWOslave, as far as the divorce rate goes, do you feel that a couple should stay together even if they are unhappy? If either partner wants to terminate the contract do you feel that they should be forced by the state to remain in the marriage? Other contracts have escape clauses, do you feel that marriage contracts should be different?
@Fatman
You’re telling me that crime rate has gone down? You’re joking right? And the best part is you’ve linked it to abortion. Fantastic. You’ve managed to squeeze in a little pro choice advert. Unless this is a why did the dead baby in a blender joke I’m just not getting. Thats right folks, Romania is the armpit of the planet because of a lack of abortion on demand. Thank God for abortion! Now I remember why I come to this site, it’s for the insightful commentary.
MRAL, I’m pretty sure my five foot seven fiance would look twice at an eight foot tall man. OMG! Maybe he’s secretly a woman! Or, yknow, just really into college basketball recruiting.
Why would I want to try and make myself more attractive to the women in this country? Have you people been to Walmart. Infact, have you even been outside your homes? I think the standard MRA complaint is not, “why won’t you give me any attention bitch,” but more, “please invest in a full length mirror.”
Of course I don’t want to offend anyone :), as I know there are lot’s of unattractive men out there that act like they should be getting attention from top of the line women. It’s just that I see this attitude more often than not in the unattractive females of our fine country than I do the men.
As for me, I know that your typical Western women is not going to find me all that attractive, but I also know the further I get from a nation full of fat, ugly women, the more attractive I get. But they just want me for the Green Card, right? Oh well, I guess I have to just come to terms with that fact.
“Drop out rate, suicides, crime, ect. is all a skyrocketing. Going hand in hand with the destruction of the man/woman/child family gig. Hows that workin out for ya? But I’m sure those are two completely unrelated, coincidental occurances. Feminism to the rescue!”
School dropout rates, suicide, and crime have absolutely no relationship to feminism. I think anyone trying to draw a link has an uphill battle.
As far as divorce, the alternative is to roll back the rights of people (women) to leave relationships that make them unhappy or even put them in danger. As Thomas Jefferson said, “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” Choices have consequences but if you are not free to fail, you aren’t really free.
I for one have no desire to contemplate a society that demands that a choice I once made when I was young and a totally different person should be binding on me for the rest of my life when I have evolved into someone else as my life progresses and my earlier wants and needs no longer fit me, and that I am not in fact free to make the choice to change my life or change who I associate with, or what I do for a living, or where I live, etc.
“Thats right folks, Romania is the armpit of the planet because of a lack of abortion on demand.”
Actually Ceausescu’s Romania was a nightmare of human rights violations, and the overflowing orphanages they STILL have there to this day are the legacy of a dictatorship that demanded women yield to the whims of a faction of men who considered them chattel.
http://countrystudies.us/romania/37.htm
@NWOslave
I don’t play coy. Sometimes I joke, sometimes I’m sarcastic, sometimes I say exactly what I mean. That time, I said exactly what I meant.
No, NWOslave I am not joking. According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics the crime rate has been falling since 1992, and significantly since 1994.
@Fatman
To answer your question on wehter a couple, (man and woman) should stay together if there unhappy we have to look at the root of the problem.
And here it is, infidelity. Thats right, being we have so many years of feminist data to draw from. Heres how the numbers stack up, which I’m sure you’ll scream about. For some reason in particular to the average woman, (it can’t be nature because thats a social construct), for every man a woman has sex with her ability to form a lasting long term relationship drop by about 6%. SO if a woman has 10 sexual relationships she has a 40% chance of forming a lasting relationship.
We know this because there are actual numbers out there. The average woman, when entering what she believes will be a long term relationship begins to compare that man to every other man she has been with as if they were one man. So if Bob was a great lover, and Steve was adventurous, and Bill was spontaneous, ect, ect. She lumps them together as one, and of course her current now not so long term relationship can never match up.
This is why women initiate some 70 or 75% of divorces. Over 50% fail and when a woman remarries that relationship shoots up to over a 70% failure rate. Now there one more man thrown in the mix. If you want research on this look it up. Feminism, working to make your life better.
@Amnesia
Well than, I’ll have to take your word for it. Amazing. Hmmm, did I really mean amazing or am I being coy?
There were a bunch of comments stuck in moderation; I have freed them all, and y’all should scroll up to the top of the page here and read them. Actually, you should pop back to the previous page, as there are a couple of MRAL comments there too.
“And here it is, infidelity.”
Infidelity is common and has always been practiced throughout history. On the other hand, heterosexual, monogamous marriage has never really been the norm and is a relatively new construct.
“for every man a woman has sex with her ability to form a lasting long term relationship drop by about 6%.”
Actually for every man a woman has sex with, she increases in value due to sexual experience and will start refusing to settle for less. Although your bullshit made-up statistics are as absurd as your last ones.
“The average woman, when entering what she believes will be a long term relationship begins to compare that man to every other man she has been with as if they were one man.”
In other words, women are too stupid/crazy to keep their former boyfriends straight and constantly enter into an ongoing chain of relationships of ever-decreasing quality? IE, “My last boyfriend was so amazing I think I’ll start dating losers instead!”
Does this make sense to anyone else? Anyone? Bueller?
Got cites for any of these statistics you’re throwing out, NWOslave?
I thought MRAs hated women…so wouldn’t all the short MRAs be thrilled that women leave them alone?