The general line amongst manosphere misogynists is that American women are a bunch of stuck-up princesses whose “ginas” – that is, vaginas – tingle only in the presence of “thugs” and “alpha males.” But one YouTube ranter calling himself LogicJunkie has a somewhat different theory, as he recently explained in a note to the moderator of the Happier Abroad forums. American women, it turns out, are basically all Nazis at heart, “preoccupied with … eugenic perfection in males.” Let’s follow LogicJunkie’s, er, logic:
American females regard as a “creep” any guy who isn’t at least six feet tall, with a pronounced chin, a jock physique, and, in general, Ken doll good Aryan looks. And money is important, too, but not nearly as important as the physiological eugenics. So, in good Germanic fashion, I think what they’re mainly concerned about, is somehow being contaminated by the mere presence of the inferior. …
America is, now more than ever, a Germano-eugenicist death camp, wrapped in the facade of “capitalism” and “corporatism” and “pop culture” and blah, blah, blah. But it’s all about covertly advancing the genetic omnipresence of the Teutonic physiological ideal.
I hate to poop on LogicJunkie’s logic here but, dude, if all the women you’re meeting turn out to be eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis, it does not therefore follow that all American women are eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis. It may just mean you should stop cruising for chicks at Klan meetings.
MRAL, the whole women going for taller men thing is an out growth of women being taught that they need to be petite to be attractive. You are building this system that hurts you when you demand that women be skinny. Furthermore, the idea that a man in a hetero relationship has to be taller than his partner has roots in the concept of the male as protector, which is a patriarchal concept.
You should look to feminism to improve your life rather than MRAs, as it is feminists that are trying to do away with the rigidly defined roles that you feel have failed you. When neither women nor men are forced into rigidly defined roles and standards of attractiveness then most humans can engage in mutually desirable sexual activity without being stymied by these outdated hierarchical concepts you describe.
This is not to say feminism exists to make your life better, making the lives of all humans better is just a side effect of making women truly equal with men.
Example of height bigotry: I am about 5’8. That isn’t THAT short, but for the ^%^#4!!!es, I’m not even worth glancing at it. They should be charged with a hate crime, honestly. Women and even some men spit on me and look down at me for being 2 inches below average. I can’t imagine what it’s like for a man below 5’6 or so, honestly, I’m surprised they don’t snap from the bigotry and spitting.
Fatman, the difference is that any woman can be skinny. Men are stuck with their height, it’s completely unfair. An analogous attraction is women drawn to muscular men, which I don’t have a problem with, because any man who isn’t lazy can make themselves muscular.
As an “American female” engaged to a guy who is 5’6″, of Chinese/Portuguese descent (not exactly Aryan!), and finds him extremely attractive, exactly my “type” actually…this is all so baffling.
Could it be that everyone has their own, individual opinion about who is attractive to them and who is not? If I found tall, blond guys attractive instead I still wouldn’t see the problem with that. But as a 5’3″ woman, I actually prefer men who I can look in the eye without standing on my tiptoes.
Thanks Law1204.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/gender.htm
STD rates by gender, 2009, CDC:
Chlamydia: women 2.7x more than men.
Gonorrhea: no discernable difference.
Syphillus: men 5.6x more than women
“Citations? I don’t need no stinkin’ citations. (cause they prove me wrong every time.)”
And look at all the &%^$^%&^( feminists. They have no interest in making MEN more attractive to women. All they want to do is force all men to fuck all women, fat chicks included. They want the benefit of hunks without the work of making themselves attractive. They are lazy $&#(%(#$*(#&%*&q*()&#%&*##*&$^(*&Q#.
The alpha / beta / omega terms come from ethology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_(biology)
@Fatman. I have got to comment on your comment. Really, if your going to ramble on about “see how the patriarchy hurts men too” crap. Geez, and you call me a conspiracy nutter.
Oooo, my roles are “defined” by the evil patriarchy. Lets get something straight. The world is run by about a dozen or so families at the top, Rothchild and Rockefeller being the top two. And guess what? They’re women bearing those names as well who don’t give a flying damn about you or me.
And also this garbage’ about women being oppressed throughout eternity is just that. Because once again for every man at the top there was a woman who couldn’t care less about you. Unless the woman who said “bring me the head of John the Baptist” was oppressed. Or “If the peasants have no bread to eat, lets them eat cake.” Or was that more patriarchy at work?
Also, women do date and marry short guys. Indeed, women who are very conventionally attractive date and marry short guys
Dennis Kucinich and his wife, for example.
But DK is not a whiny misogynist.
I dated a guy who was 5’8″ once. In fact I fell insanely in love with him and he broke my heart all over the place. Took me over a year to get over it.
In my experience, shorter men are just as amazing as any other height and a significant percentage of them tend to be *very* well hung (but this is just my personal experience).
So, MRAL, the lesson here is – it’s not your height. It’s not your looks.
It’s your personality. Okay?? Okay!
This tall/short attraction is actually somewhat true. But it should be since the average man is taller than the average woman. I mean I’m like 5-10 and 1/2, (squeaked in an extra 1/2 ince there) and even I’m taller than most women.
@MRAL
It’s not feminists job to make men more attractive to women. If men want to be more attractive to women, they should actually try to be more attractive to women. You know, good hygiene and respect for others as individual human beings does wonders for improving your relationships in general. You should try it sometime.
@Amnesia. It’s not a mans duty to make himself more attractive to women. A man has to only be a man. Also men and women in this country are equally hygenic. Finally, respect is earned, otherwise why don’t you respect all those evil misogynist, like me? Muhahaha.
Oh thanks Amnesia, I didn’t know there was a magical bottle of Skele-Gro to make myself taller!
Women value that which men cannot change. They do this to keep the social and sexual hierarchy rigid, like royalty/blood.
I’d also do pretty much anything to hire Harry Potter to cast a spell to fix my horrific freak disgusting mutated eye, but unfortunately that’s not an option.
NWOslave, I have never referred to you in any way, including as a conspiracy nutter. You are operating under the misapprehension that feminists believe that patriarchy is a cabal of individuals making deliberate decisions to harm women. What we are talking about is the sum of the individual thoughts, desires, and motivations that make up society.
All of our roles are defined by the society in which we live, are you hostile to redefining those roles with the intent of increasing the happiness of the members of that society? I thought that that was the idea behind MRA, and had assumed that we were arguing over the methods and form of the change.
I thought that that was the idea behind MRA,
It seems to me that what you see is that MRA sees society as a zero-sum game, and the only way they can imagine increasing their satisfaction is by denying the same to others.
“It’s not a mans duty to make himself more attractive to women.”
Well, it is if he wants the attention of women, but there is a significant body of MRA work that indicates an inherent distaste for women so I am not sure why it matters to you whether or not you are attractive to those you hate.
My boyfriend is significantly taller than I am and I actually pulled my neck once hugging him because of the height difference. Granted my neck and back muscles hadn’t been very happy with me at the time and I already had a spasming back muscle, but that just compounded my problems.
Most of us do not date men for their heights – otherwise I would have stuck with the short guys just to give my spasming back and neck a break.
“It’s not a man’s duty to make himself more attractive to women.”
then it is not his right to complain when no women want to associate with him.
“@law1204, I could care less who you sleep with, I’m a believer in that old timey fidelity thingy as a positive social norm for society. More proof of my backward thinking.”
“Fidelity” is something defined on an individual basis but has never been a norm for any society. Ever.
That said, I believe that in a free country, each citizen has the right to sleep with whoever they want and no one has the right to tell them otherwise. The only person you have control over is you.
@NWOslave
I said ‘if’ men want to be more attractive to women, not that they have to. Just don’t blame it on us if women (particularly the attractive ones) don’t find you attractive.
I also said ‘respect for others as individual human beings.’ By that, I simply mean respecting that every other person in this world has their own life that they’re living, and that if they don’t want to deal with you, they don’t have to.
Hi, been reading this site for a while; it’s simultaneously horrifying to know what some male people (I have no idea who, or where, they are, or whether I could be next to one on the tube RIGHT! NOW!) think of (all) female people (like me! who could be next to them on the tube RIGHT! NOW!) and refreshing to hear that (thank god) it isn’t some meme running in the heads of absolutely everyone (on the.. oh sorry, I guess I did that one to death already).
I guess I didn’t have anything insightful to add before now, but now we have height statistics, I can be all over it! My mum’s six inches taller than my dad, I’m currently crushing on a guy four inches shorter than me, ditto for my best mate, and my favourite colleague has been blissfully married for 25 years this year to a guy… shorter than she is. Because we all fell for… PERSONALITY.
You may judge me on my attractiveness (and many people do and find me wanting) but the other three are scorchers. (Since one has half my DNA, so much for genetics, I guess). But, in my personal, off-the-top-off-my-head anecdote alone, that’s four guys who don’t scrape 5′ 4″ who’re counted as Hot, as opposed to ‘gee, he’ll do’.
…And back to the programme.
@Fatman
Ahhh, the old gender is a construct and our roles are defined by society canard. My personal favorite. And of course feminism will take care of all this bad stuff, correct?
Well lets look at the track record so far shall we? Just one tiny piece of the feminist puzzle. We’re gonna go with the nuclear family which is a construct of the evil patriarchy to keep women down. We now have over a 50% divorce rate, over a 35% illegitimate birthrate. In the black community the illegitimate birthrate is 90%. Before feminism the black population had a 10% illegitimate birth rate and white was almost non existant.
Drop out rate, suicides, crime, ect. is all a skyrocketing. Going hand in hand with the destruction of the man/woman/child family gig. Hows that workin out for ya? But I’m sure those are two completely unrelated, coincidental occurances. Feminism to the rescue!
Law 1204, I presume when you said “I believe that in a free country, each citizen has the right to sleep with whoever they want and no one has the right to tell them otherwise. The only person you have control over is you.” you meant provided that such sexual contact was mutually desirable.
“But when 99% of women refuse to look twice at a man unless he’s eight feet tall, you can’t act surprised when short men have a little resentment.”
Hey, MRAL, what about tall women? At 6 feet tall I’ve experienced significant distaste from men who are much shorter then me. And even the guys who are about my height feel the need to comment on it. And, apparently, wearing heels when you’re already tall is a personal affront to some men.
And, you know what? I’ve never dated a man taller then me. (Or a woman.) There just aren’t enough of them to make that portion of the dating pool a viable option.
So it’s not just women refusing to date short men. A lot of men don’t really like tall women.
Some short men seem incapable of even standing next to me. And, god, all of those comments about playing basketball. It gets old.
(As a side note, the guys who are height fetishists are almost as bad. I don’t really care that you love tall women. I’d really much rather you like me for my intelligence, or my compassion or my wit or something.)