I learn so much about feminism from reading the Men’s RIghts subreddit. For example, today I learned that feminists — at least those of the feminine persuasion — all want to be men. And that’s why they all have such deep voices.
Let’s let JustSomeGuy2008 explain his theory:
“I’ve noticed a pretty consistent theme with feminist women,” he begins.
They seem to wish they had been born men, and they are resentful of that.
Er, citation needed? No citation given:
it’s not that the treatment of women was worse than the treatment of men. It’s just that the treatment was different.
Like for example, when credit cards first became a thing, single women weren’t allowed to get them. There’s a little difference for you. Further back, we have that whole can’t vote or patent inventions or own property era. Different, different, different.
And I would argue most men and women don’t have that much of an issue with this. Men understand the things which are typically expected of them, and so do women.
Have you ever even met a woman? Serious question.
But feminist women specifically seem to be constantly resentful of the fact that they were born women instead of men. So to them, being treated like a woman is worse, because in their mind, being a man is better, therefore treating someone as a woman (not a man) is objectively worse, which they conclude as misogyny.
Yeah, that’s not how any of this works. Wanting the same rights as men doesn’t mean women want to be men.
One relatively minor example I’ve noticed is how common it is for feminist women to speak with an artificially lowered voice.
Oh yes, that well-known fact. I can think of all of one woman who (allegedly) lowered her voice to impress gullible investors and cause them to give her money for her fraudulent blood test technology. It worked for her, until she got caught. I’m not sure that she counts as a feminist.
I don’t just mean women who have naturally deeper voices. It’s pretty obvious when someone is trying to lower their voice, similar to how you can tell the difference between a high voice and falsetto.
Wouldn’t it have been much cooler if Elizabeth Holmes spoke in falsetto instead of that deep voice?
I’m not sure what my point is except that I love falsetto.
Sorry about the digression; here’s the rest of JustSomeGuy2008’s inane theory:
It seems super consistent when I’ve met hyper-feminist women that they have artificially deepened voices. Whether consciously or subconsciously, they are trying to sound like men.
Wait, wait. I’ve found another example of a woman who sounds like a man.
I mean, she’s fictional. but what are you going to do?
Maybe JustSomeGuy2008 has just been watching too much Venture Bros.
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@Elaine
That’s just beautiful. It is lucrative and should be. I love it that you and your husband live that feeling and live that prosperity.
My own path doesn’t encompass romantic love in the same way (though it does encompass a kind of love) but I so, so honor what you describe.
@Alan
Yes, I get it and this is inspiring. The sound of my whip cracking is tangible and real but what’s more important is the feeling of the first time a new male body that I like is before me when I’m on my pedestal and holding court
The whip crack and the sharpness of my voice giving the command to worship me as divine is tangible in that it’s experienced in a sensory way (auditory and visual, at a minimum) but intangible though equally real is the energy of mutual sexual attraction of man and woman, worshipper and goddess. To sell an NFT or that energy would be my dream.
@Worked All That Out:
So exactly what is your arduous backbreaking salt-of-the-earth workingman’s job?
@WATO:
Back, and still typing insufferably. Like I said in the last comment thread: wearing out your thesaurus doesn’t make you look smart, it makes you look like a doofus trying to sound smart.
I hate NFTs so much. So, so much. And crypto, in general.
Coming from the biology/climate side of the house, they are a ginormous waste of energy. Seriously, ginormous.
I have so much hatred. Like they’re cool in the “they are an exercise in math and coding and cool things” but I just can’t even with the energy waste, or the crypto-bro culture of a not insignificant subset of crypto-bros.
So yeah. Looking up the equivalent for the energy used for one Bitcoin or one etherium transaction in terms of an average US household is just… frustrating.
No NFTs in my house.
Side note: Oh, hi, it’s a troll. The troll is more boring than my feelings on NFTs, so I’m sticking to venting on NFTs.
Post-script: Now working in the engineering side of the house, articles going “oh look this crypto op has their own clean nuclear to mine their Bitcoin” also is aggravating.
Nuclear power is awesome, but it also has huge risks. And instead of adopting that risk to offset/supplement power for people to live, we’re just going to accept all that risk so crypto-bro can mine for crypto? All that risk so rich tech bros can get richer? The HECK?!
Okay, okay, okay I can be done now.
So, wasn’t it just yesterday that our manly, brute-laboring troll was telling us that he was toiling away adding value to the world by doing things us delicate lady types are too fragile to do, and it turns out that he works in a CUSTOMER SERVICE? I mean, that is respectable work, I’ve done it for years and in many versions, from call centers to admin offices. The biggest hazard is weight gain from sitting on your ass for 8 hours a day and eating out of boredom.
<smh>
What a waste.
Nuclear isn’t for down here. It’s for up there! It’s for asteroid mining and investigating what’s under the icy crusts of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and for poking around Pluto and eventually for settling the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud! This far down in the sun’s gravity well we should be using solar! Aagh!
@Moggie
Yep! And this very night I’ve just had cause to look it up from an extremely senior to me software bro from the same company I work for hitting on me. I don’t think it’s covered so I’m going to talk to my manager and the fiber team leader about it, just in case he’s a retaliatory asshole to people who say no as well as the kind of asshole who hits on people with an extremely uneven power dynamic between them. Ugh. Losing sleep over it. Maybe he was the just kind of guy to shotgun his shot everywhere but I’m an uggo and he wasn’t, so I think he’ll be the entitled dick kind who will want to retaliate against an uppity bitch who didn’t know her place and be grateful for the attention. Auuuuugh.
At the very minimum it’s awful of him to do it when the power dynamic is so skewed and cost me my peace of mind worrying about it and having to cover MY ass for what HE did.
@another Laura
Biggest hazard I’ve had at my jobs I’ve worked at is broken toes and ankles. and then a dolphin almost drowning my coworker because he tried to have sex with her. Dolphins are God damn aggressive creatures.
@Another Laura:
I missed that part! He was all “women would never do manly man jobs like mine” and he works in the *service industry.* There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, but service is “women’s work!”
I also think this troll is the same fool who was nasty to Elaine last time, and David banned him for it; the troll started being rude to Elaine awfully quickly while claiming not to have posted before. The faster they get into name calling, the younger they seem.
If that’s the case, then why does tone of voice matter at all?
Besides, from Stacey’s previous mentions of this, I suspect it’s more like doing something nice for someone you care about. If you care about someone, then their wishes are important to you and you don’t require a threat to make you say yes.
And really, who commands better? The one who needs physical threats to prevent you from saying “no”, or the one where you never even want to say “no”?
I call bullshit on being directly told to use a higher register when talking to customers – having a deep voice is not seen as aggressive. It’s far more likely that a supervisor took issue with him being abrupt or impolite, which might be his natural manner but not one that is tolerated in a service setting. Suck it up, buttercup, the rest of us have to.
I had a manager once that had obviously been told in some training session to touch people’s upper arm every time he asked them to do something (to ingratiate himself? God knows). If I had not been paid hourly to tolerate the endless corporate nonsense of my employers I would have told him to go fuck himself on a daily basis. But I didn’t, because I live under capitalism just like everyone else!
It is also just a fact of life that we all have to modify our behaviour in the name of living with other people. So many MRAs seem to think that the fact they can’t be an unfiltered arsehole 24/7 with everyone around them continually managing their emotions for them means that there’s something Terribly Wrong with Society.
@LollyPop: He must work at that police station from Monty Python where people can only understand you if you speak in very specific ways.
@ Lollypop
Either that or he saw that episode of Leverage where Sophie used a similar technique to get a mark to do what she needed him to do for the con.
Elizabeth Holmes’ trial defense has mostly boiled down to WAAAAAH MY MEAN BOYFRIEND MADE ME DO IT, so yeah… definitely not a feminist.
I wonder what JustSomeGuy2008’s take would be on women who sing growl vocals in hard rock and metal bands. Do they want to be men?
Somehow I doubt Yukina of the Japanese band Hanabie wants to be a man.
(Warning, the following video includes violence against cake.)
@tim gueguen:
Exhibit B: Tatiana Shmailyuk of the Ukrainian metal band Jinjer, gearshifting effortlessly between Beauty and Beast. (Warning: the lyrics describe the experience of a fish being caught and slaughtered.)
@ tim
Oh, damn, deep voices. I can channel J. E. Jones when dealing with the dogs. Occasionally I forget and use it on people. People do tend to do what they were told when addressed bass-profundo, if only because they were startled.
WATO jumped in this thread with an obvious provocation that was designed to be vaguely related to the topic: “I’m such a super masculine man that the sheer depth of my voice makes other people uncomfortable, causing petty backlash from the gynocratic corporate structure!”. Claiming to have a job in phone customer service looks very much like an afterthought to this gesture of symbolic dick waving. I think if he actually does have a job, and specifically in phone customer service, that’s entirely coincidental to whatever he’s currently throwing on the wall here.
@LollyPop:
The times I worked customer service, I don’t recall being told to pitch my voice either up or down. I tried to always be polite, but there was one regular customer with whom I always used my lower register— doing so seemed to dissuade him from hitting on me like he kept doing with all the other women who worked there.
I haven’t worked in customer service, but I teach and give talks periodically and I definitely do have a different voice when doing that. I don’t think the pitch is different (either way I sound like a chipmunk), but it’s “smoother” and “tighter” than my normal voice with less vocal fry and more controlled breathing.
I’m actually tempted to get a vocal coach just so that I can learn how to properly project without hurting my vocal cords. As it stands 1 hour of teaching 3 times a week leaves my throat so sore even with tons of tea.
Oh for f¥@k$ sake when will the “trans men are just women who want male privilege” bullshit end?!
As for the OP: Here’s wolf goddess Moro from the Ghibli animated film Princess Mononoke, laughing at MRAs in her otherworldly deep voice:
I notice a few of the translation voices (including English) make her sound much more like a female human, but most (including Finnish) imitate the depth or her original Japanese voice. It sucks that I wasn’t able to find a longer sample of Moro speaking in Japanese on YT.
I haven’t actually seen the Finnish dub, or even the Finnish subtitles. I got into Mononoke fandom back when the film was only available with English dub or subtitles, and I very much prefer the non-dubbed version. After a couple runs I was able to turn off the subtitles and just appreciate the film as original.