I learn so much about feminism from reading the Men’s RIghts subreddit. For example, today I learned that feminists — at least those of the feminine persuasion — all want to be men. And that’s why they all have such deep voices.
Let’s let JustSomeGuy2008 explain his theory:
“I’ve noticed a pretty consistent theme with feminist women,” he begins.
They seem to wish they had been born men, and they are resentful of that.
Er, citation needed? No citation given:
it’s not that the treatment of women was worse than the treatment of men. It’s just that the treatment was different.
Like for example, when credit cards first became a thing, single women weren’t allowed to get them. There’s a little difference for you. Further back, we have that whole can’t vote or patent inventions or own property era. Different, different, different.
And I would argue most men and women don’t have that much of an issue with this. Men understand the things which are typically expected of them, and so do women.
Have you ever even met a woman? Serious question.
But feminist women specifically seem to be constantly resentful of the fact that they were born women instead of men. So to them, being treated like a woman is worse, because in their mind, being a man is better, therefore treating someone as a woman (not a man) is objectively worse, which they conclude as misogyny.
Yeah, that’s not how any of this works. Wanting the same rights as men doesn’t mean women want to be men.
One relatively minor example I’ve noticed is how common it is for feminist women to speak with an artificially lowered voice.
Oh yes, that well-known fact. I can think of all of one woman who (allegedly) lowered her voice to impress gullible investors and cause them to give her money for her fraudulent blood test technology. It worked for her, until she got caught. I’m not sure that she counts as a feminist.
I don’t just mean women who have naturally deeper voices. It’s pretty obvious when someone is trying to lower their voice, similar to how you can tell the difference between a high voice and falsetto.
Wouldn’t it have been much cooler if Elizabeth Holmes spoke in falsetto instead of that deep voice?
I’m not sure what my point is except that I love falsetto.
Sorry about the digression; here’s the rest of JustSomeGuy2008’s inane theory:
It seems super consistent when I’ve met hyper-feminist women that they have artificially deepened voices. Whether consciously or subconsciously, they are trying to sound like men.
Wait, wait. I’ve found another example of a woman who sounds like a man.
I mean, she’s fictional. but what are you going to do?
Maybe JustSomeGuy2008 has just been watching too much Venture Bros.
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Margaret Thatcher had voice coach lessons to drop her voice an octave
But as to whether she was a feminist I’ll leave as an exercise for the reader.
And I’ll see your falsetto and raise you Will Powers
There may yet be some truth to what this man says; in my day to day existence, I am often forced to talk in higher, breathier tones, so that people don’t assume that I am a person of coarse mannerisms. I am forever being hit with the accusation that my real voice is simply too intimidating to customers when speaking over the phone, and have been relegated to using a fake, sing-songy voice full of effeminate-sounding “yesss’s” and “um’s” when I’d rather speak to callers in my usual manner. If the modern world hates for men to have voices so much that it’s willing to effectively neuter them to the point where they can no longer reliably be described as our own, I see no reason for why women laboring under the same gynocratic arrangements wouldn’t lower their own voices. It’s almost as if they are trying to combat nature and relegate us to more feminine roles while they seize every nook and cranny of the niche that we have long worked to carve out for ourselves.
@worked all that out
So you and the other Mra are just incapable of saying anything intelligent huh
@Elaine
Just because the facts I’m laying down for you are too complex to fit inside of your underdeveloped mind doesn’t mean that I’m not saying anything intelligent. I’d wager that the problem lays squarely on your side of the screen.
@Worked All That Out:
So exactly what is your arduous backbreaking salt-of-the-earth workingman’s job?
Yes, like how right now I am on the fiber team for the largest supercomputing conference in the world, and my male teammate this very day said that he personally had never experienced harassment or seen any at said supercomputing conference, so he was unsure of the utility of a detailed code against harassment at the conference. I had to tell him how unfortunately at this same conference two years previously I was stalked for two days, suffering unwanted touching and gross harassment before I had the man ejected from the conference for being an asshole. The code is very much needed.
But you see, it’s just DIFFERENT treatment, his and mine, not, you know, worse for me in any way.
Oh dear, did the candles burn out? Should I switch to citronella oil lamps?
@worked all that out
Well, you’re the one who thinks having to use a customer service voice is a form of oppression. Seriously, you mras are like paper thin skinned and all you do is whine.
I have a high pitched voice that sounds what lots of people think is “feminine”.
I just like to use it, among other things, to give orders to my guys to command them to do what I want.
And I’m definitely feminist and have never wanted to talk in a lower pitch.
My command voice is just fine at my natural pitch.
@Big Titty Demon:
Even on his terms, that’s a dumb take! The best time to establish an anti-harassment CoC is before any harassment happens!
@Elaine
Being forced against my will to use a “customer service” voice IS a form of oppression. It is unnatural to distort one’s voice and adopt a persona that is completely contrary to one’s true inclinations for so many hours out of a day. All such forms of meaningless labor constitute oppression in my eyes, and I will NOT be talked out of this position by people who insist that this is simply the way the world MUST be, and that I simply have to “grow up” (aka “act like a woman”) and cope with it. Were it not for the fact that I require resources to which I presently have no guaranteed manner of acquisition save for those numbers on my checking account, I would not be so inclined to spend my life hustling away on unnatural labors for my continued existence.
@Stacey
That’s not a real command voice, and those men aren’t being “commanded,” they’ve just got some kind of sexual fetish for being told what to do. They’re getting something out of being pushed around and treated like slaves, it’s only a “command” when you don’t have the option to say “no” without there being significant consequences to your own person or livelihood.
@Works Hard
Who would ever think you’re not coarse. More specifically, you’re an intellectually dishonest (you lie and refuse to provide citations because you’re possibly shoveling shit all day) serial attention seeker. You show up here periodically and attempt to hijack the conversation.
@Worked It All Out
You CLEARLY have no idea about how what I do works and how BDSM fetish performance art, sex-magic and modern bhakti eroticism and the emotional space of all that works.
My power over them is more real than a feeble-minded creep like you could ever get and their obvious consent doesn’t make it less so.
You’re probably a creep who secretly wants it but could never make the cut. You’re gross.
@Kat
How rude. This is the first time I’ve posted here, and I’m being accused of having some sort of intermittent fixation with getting attention from the users of said blog? I would bring those delusions of yours up with a therapist, if I were you.
@Stacey
That’s a very specific accusation you’re brining against me; is your mind normally so full of such detailed phobias, or am I just living rent free in your head?
Oh, look everyone! I think I might have hit a little too close to home, seeing how creepy Worked All That Bullshit Out has gotten all in a tizzy.
@Trolled it all out
Who is usurping men’s voices and in what manner, I wonder.
You do realize that if this is the bar for oppression, then you would have, by the same logic, to admit that many of the complaints that emerge from feminism are indeed valid experiences of oppression.
Because you can relate from your own oppression, right? Oppression that is often denied in right wing and conservative circles? Oppression that you suffer and understand as unfair, so it follows they must be oppressive for people other than yourself, right?
…right?
Yeah, we’re all humans of late capitalism. No big epiphany here. Everyone in the room knows this from experience.
Maybe it would be a great oportunity to… you know… empathize? with people? like, other than yourself…? Maybe just this once? for practice?
Nice prose, pal, I bet you’re one of those who think it’s okay to insult someone so long as you (convince yourself you) sound smart?
You are aware people see right through you, right? So maybe your manners are not as polished as you though?
The horror.
It’s almost as if your subconscious is aware of what men traditionally did to women, and is projecting it all over the place!
Also, absurd and obsolete gender roles.
@ staceysmartypantstwiceremoved
You sort of came up in conversation recently. Not by name, but you gave me an idea.
We’ve been taking a lot about NFTs lately. Love em or hate em; they’re definitely the in vogue topic at the moment.
I was wondering about doing a performance art NFT; but then someone beat us to it anyway.
Annoyingly it was someone eating a bat! As an anti-vax/covid hoax thing; as far as we could tell.
https://theconversation.com/nft-performance-art-corporations-could-capitalize-on-protest-157557
(As some of us had a bit of scepticism about NFTs we also thought it would make a point to release a Dutch Tulip NFT; but we were beaten to that too.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/nft-crypto-dutch-tulip-bubble-bitcoin-meme-stocks-gme-amc-2021-08
@Alan
That’s really cool. It inspires me to think about NFTs that are my physical attraction to my guys during specific parts of our experience together, or an NFT that is some digital version of a guy’s perception of my divinity.
@ staceysmartypantstwiceremoved
Ooh yeah, now that is an interesting possibility.
One of the benefits of NFTs is they can literally represent anything; even intangibles. Actually, maybe especially intangibles. So an abstract idea really works.
Heck, NFTs are a nebulous concept, so to NFT something equally as impossible to define, like Bhakti, would be a perfect subject.
ETA: Actually that really helps understand what an NFT is really. People have alway handed out tokens of affection or other abstract concept, like loyalty to a group, that of themselves might not have much material value (like a souvenir of a first date or other significant memory). So a particular relationship is something readily (NF)Tokenised.
@worked all that all
What this now? to much of a baby to do a job? to hard for you? women do it every day but suddenly its to hard for big strong man? I have to make my voice unnaturally high for customer service to. get over it you whinny titty baby.
@stacy
What I do is not the same as your art but, since covid closed down many of the adult clubs my husband and I like to attend, we had a lot of fun making an only fans page to get the same effect that we like from being watched, well okay it’s mostly me that likes being watched. he likes other stuff from it. We have raised a lot of money for different charities. he kept teasing me that we took porn and made it a worthy cause.
@Elaine
Yes, a little different maybe but yeah definitely adjacent and still you guys sound SO cool! What a great idea! I mean, that’s just awesome.
@stacy
Apparently witnessing bdsm from a couple that is in love with each other is very lucrative for a business lol