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Incels agree: Trans men are “the stupidest people on earth” for giving up their female privilege

Incels, confused as always

Add “trans men” to the long and ever-growing list of things that incels just don’t understand.

In a discussion on the Incels.co forums, commenters suggest that “MTF tr*nnies” are “the stupidest people on earth” for giving up their allegedly vast female privilege to take up a life as an oppressed man. Women have it so easy, the incels agree, that it is almost inconceivable that anyone would voluntarily give up life as a woman.

Hah. It’s hilarious. Imagine being of infinite value by virtue of being a foid, and willingly reducing your value to male value. And not just ya male, but a 1st percentile male. Literally the most non-dimorphic male possible. 5’4”, framecel, wide hips, small skull, gracile boned, feminine voice, NO DICK male. FTM foids are retarded. What kind of quality of life do they expect?

MTF is actually legit ngl. Go from being whatever SMV male to being infinitely valueable because people think you’re a girl. I wonder what accounts passing MTF trannies would give of how they were treated by people before and after transitioning.

Others second this, er, analysis.

“Many of them stop after some time and detrans because they realize living as a man is much harder,” writes Lebensmüder.

Just fucking lol. Most foids wouldn’t survive a day in a man’s shoes without suffering enormous damage to their mental wellbeing.

“It’s good because JFL at those who think being a man is easy,” adds OldIncel. “Serves them right.”

“Imagine being born into tutorial mode and throwing it all away,” Of Manlets and Men scoffs.

“Dumb dirty toilets thinking they can become chad by taking some hormones,” snorts Radishman.

It goes without saying that this isn’t how any of this works. And that incels, while demanding empathy from the rest of us, are themselves the least empathetic people in the world.

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Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
1 year ago

@Ohlman: An enemy that is simultaneously allpowerful and weak is a pretty key ingredient in fashy ‘thinking’. But yeah, it’s a weird trope.

Not surprised that these incel dingdongs have such an opinion on trans men. Idiots.

an autistic giraffe
an autistic giraffe
1 year ago

@Naglfar

In a more contemporary context, this is why I have conservative relatives that insist I have to be “fair” and say something good about Trump. They think that I’m violating their rights by refusing to praise their Dear Leader.

“Hmm I’ll have to think on that for a minute. Say what to you like the most about Obama, Hillary and Biden?”

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@an autistic giraffe

“Hmm I’ll have to think on that for a minute. Say what to you like the most about Obama, Hillary and Biden?”

I’ve asked them that about Obama. They usually either ignore or say something about how they like “some things” about his presidency but refuse to say exactly what. As is expected, of course.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

Totally O/T, but this happened. TL;DR is that far right hosting service Epik, best known for hosting a large number white nationalist sites including the Proud Boys, formerly 8chan, and IIRC hosts incels.co, has been blocked from using PayPal. They are now having a meltdown about “anti-conservative bias” and something to do with Hunter Biden.

Angiportus Librarysaver
Angiportus Librarysaver
1 year ago

No less an author than Le Guin brought me up short a few decades back when in her Earthsea books mentioned a local belief that women’s magic was both wicked and weak. It seemed to me that if something was truly wicked it wouldn’t be ineffectual, and vice versa. It is just like how people who complain about an unfair or otherwise harmful system find their objections treated as trivial, but the rules imposed on them, holding up the system, are sacrosanct and not to be questioned, no matter how stupid they actually are. Doublethink.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Angiportus Librarysaver : I am not sure to follow your reasoning.

My first problem is that there is *plenty* of wicked but ineffectual systems. The Nazis are a prime example of an absolutely wicked state that was hugely inefficient and impotent. And not just because they picked a fight with the USSR, their internal organization was extremely inefficient.

In fact, the theory that something wicked have to be effectual or vice versa is often used to justify wicked acts. Like sinking migrant ships or automatic sentence for repeated offender, both who are as wicked as they are ineffectual in practice, but sold as “pragmatic, you have to do what you must”.

I don’t get the link with the second part either, but I do agree that the fetishism on something being good because it’s either ancient (or new for that matter) is rather strange and problematic.

Amtep
Amtep
1 year ago

Something good Trump has done: he pulled out of the TPP treaty, which would have been another power grab for multinational corporations. This was a campain promise he actually kept.

Something good about Trump as a person: umm… well, by embodying the seven cardinal sins (pride, anger, greed, laziness, lust, envy, and gluttony) he’s living proof that the antichrist really will deceive the Rapture-believing evangelicals. I suppose that’s of some value.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Amtep

Something good about Trump as a person: umm… well, by embodying the seven cardinal sins (pride, anger, greed, laziness, lust, envy, and gluttony) he’s living proof that the antichrist really will deceive the Rapture-believing evangelicals. I suppose that’s of some value.

On that note…
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
TL;DR is that Trump basically fits every description of the antichrist. I’m Jewish and therefore don’t believe in the antichrist, but the evidence is pretty damning (pun intended).

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
1 year ago

I just wanted to share this article about some actual men‘s rights activists, doing some actual stuff to help men: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/25/no-more-mr-muscle-the-activists-raising-body-confidence-for-men?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Isn’t it wonderful what how when the reaction to feminist achievements is to learn from them?

nobody
nobody
1 year ago

@Ohlmann

Which LOTR did you read where Sauron was easy to defeat? He was a corrupt maia with 9 lives making a magical nuisance of himself since the Second Age. Even the films kept Gandalf’s line about them only having a fool’s hope.

Perhaps you are confusing the “simple” mechanism of destroying the ring to destroy Sauron with the not at all simple execution of getting into Mordor undetected AND uncorrupted to do it.

@Naglfar

. At the same time, they think that trans men are poor misguided young butch lesbians,

Also too, some are attracted to men, which is not the definition of lesbian…

Last edited 1 year ago by nobody
Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Nobody : but if you read the trilogy and just that, Sauron is an all powerful enemy, that nonetheless is killed and his threat made entirely impotent by a very simple act of heroism. A big part of the Silmarillon is here to explain why he was already more or less on his last legs too. (it’s probably also why Tolkien added a chapter about Saruman in the Shire)

Let’s translate that into WW2 : it would have been the Allies losing the initial blitz, Paris and London being under siege, then poof a special ops kill hitler and all the tanks suddenly vanish, Nazis are forever defeated.

Not co-incidentally, the moviemakers decided to make the fall of Sauron that much more brutal, both by showing his fortress litteraly falling apart the instant he die, and by omitting the Shire retaking. Tolkien tried to take precaution against that pitfall, but it’s more mitigating a structural problem than anything.

Also, for all “nearly impossible” the task of Frodo was, it sure is a lot less effort than solving any country-level problem. It don’t even look that much harder in my opinion.

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