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Should dudes attracted to older or fat women be thrown out of the incel club for having it too easy? An incredibly stupid debate

How incels view women over thirty

By David Futrelle

Incels spend a lot of time debating incredibly stupid things. Whether female sexual pleasure matters. Which mass shooters to embrace as heroes and which to dismiss as “amateurs” with insufficient body counts. Whether or not incels today suffer more than actual slaves did in antebellum America. Whether most women regularly have sex with dogs, or just some of them?

But in some ways the most stupefying debate I’ve run across on the Incels.co forums lately is whether or not incels who are attracted to “older or fat women” should be thrown out of the incel club because they have it too easy when it comes to getting laid — at least when compared to your more “normal” incels, obsessed with having sex with virgins and underage girls.

Because, yes, in incel world, adult men fetishizing “jailbait” is seen as normal and natural, whereas being attracted to women over the age of, say, 30 is regarded by many incels as dangerously degenerate.

“I have noticed most users here are attracted to younger, virgin girls and jailbait,” wrote an Incels.co commenter calling himself cookie33.

Putting all of the ideological considerations aside, like the importance of virginity, the cock carousel and the shame of being a cuck to a fat/older woman, there is a part of the population that is physically attracted to such a women. 

You can almost taste the disgust he feels towards all those “cucks” and “soyboys” who are actually attracted to adult women of average (or even — gasp! — above average) weight rather than model-thin high-school girls.

However, incels liking fat/old women obviously have it easier than other incels, since their sexual attraction enables them to jump the moral barriers and ascend easier with these women. Also, fat/old women have lowered standards, which makes ascending even easier.

Yeah, I somehow suspect there aren’t going to be a lot of women of any sort lining up to fuck dudes as creepy as you guys.

Therefore, in comparison with ephebophile incels, should they be considered volcel, and even fakecel? 

Or should ephebophile incels be considered mentalcels, and incels with an eclectic taste in women should be truecels, since the latter have still failed to ascend despite easier conditions? Your sexual drives are part of your personality/behavior, and your personality is part of what defines inceldom (mentalcels).

All this complicated and confusing terminology when the phrase “unfuckable creeps” works just fine!

Naturally the debate that followed in the responses to cookie33’s post was exactly as thoughtful as every debate on Incels.co.

“Ugly landwhales and fat old cunts still go for the best looking guys,” complained someone called Vermilioncore.

“But it is nevertheless a realistic scenario for an incel to ascend with a whale or a hag,” replied cookie44. “With Stacy, it’s not.”

“True,” replied Vermilioncore.

It’s sad that they are all we have a chance at. But as time moves forward and tinder shows to women all the viable options, even hags and landwhales will begin to disregard anyone who isn’t attractive.

Hate to break it to you, dude, but Tinder isn’t the issue here. Most women don’t even need “viable options” to turn you down; they would honestly rather die alone than date someone as creepy and hateful as you.

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Sarah
Sarah
3 years ago

Uhhh, I’m almost 41. I rode the cock carousel HARD AND WITH MUCH GLEE, and then started to get *pickier,* not less picky. That’s not how aging and wisdom work.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
3 years ago

But as time moves forward and tinder shows to women all the viable options, even hags and landwhales will begin to disregard anyone who isn’t attractive.

They never read a word that they write, do they?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Speaking as a representative of the old demographic, we don’t want the incels anymore than “Stacies” do.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Handy guide for anyone struggling with that word “ephebophile”:

Ichthyic
Ichthyic
3 years ago

^^LOL!!

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 years ago

@Sarah

I rode the cock carousel HARD AND WITH MUCH GLEE

Well, I should certainly hope it was hard. Otherwise, what would be the point???

*Ba-dum-tish*

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

Most women don’t even need “viable options” to turn you down; they would honestly rather die alone than date someone as creepy and hateful as you.

Incels want to ascend. But pretty much any woman who dates a hater is going to descend.

I’ve dated haters. What Dante says about hell is true: it’s a cold, desolate place. Luckily, I still had myself for company. Each time I walked myself out of there and back to the land of the living. No more. I won’t descend anymore.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
3 years ago
Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
3 years ago

Incels would probably see me as an older, fat woman.

I’m 36. Some consider this old. I’m actually fat. Deathfat, even.

Woman, on the other hand… I’m afab agender.

Also ace and aro.

It doesn’t matter who you are, how you look, and what you do. I will always turn you down.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

“Ascended”. When you talk about sex like it’s achieving godhood, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. Haven’t you noticed how many miserable losers have an active sex life? It doesn’t make everything magically better.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
3 years ago

Whether most women regularly have sex with dogs, or just some of them?

“Actually, most women have sex with just some of the dogs, which tragically skews the pet abuse culture…”

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Riding the dog carousel.

Janos
Janos
3 years ago

As a certified hagwhale, can confirm I would not touch any of these charmers with a bargepole.

Ellesar
Ellesar
3 years ago

I think I am also depressed by the hideous mangling of the English language. The sentiment is bad, but those awful ‘words’ make it worse.

Wetherby
Wetherby
3 years ago

I once spent a very happy couple of years living with someone seventeen years older than me. Not least because the sex was out of this world, thanks to highly relevant factors such as her being far more experienced than my previous partners – and, most crucially, far more knowledgeable about her own body’s responses.

The fact that your average incel would react with almost visceral disgust to both those elements is very much their problem – but, believe me, they’re the ones missing out.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
3 years ago

I wonder if the incel fixation on virgins stems from the fact that they know more experienced women wouldn’t want to come back for more.

What with all the discussions about how women don’t like sex and female pleasure is not important.

In their version of sex a woman is probably nothing more than a blow up doll.

Kevin
Kevin
3 years ago

@ Moggie

Now you’ve moved my mental image of dogging in an even more disturbing direction…

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

Incels, y’all got nothing but a fistful of shame cards. Time to walk away from the game.

Wetherby
Wetherby
3 years ago

I wonder if the incel fixation on virgins stems from the fact that they know more experienced women wouldn’t want to come back for more.

What with all the discussions about how women don’t like sex and female pleasure is not important.

In their version of sex a woman is probably nothing more than a blow up doll.

Oh, totally. They try to “rationalise” it with bullshit theories about how anyone sexually experienced (which also includes all sex workers) is somehow tainted by contact with other men, but the bottom line is that they’re terrified of the thought that their partner may be more knowledgeable than them and will therefore be judging their performance.

But my attitude has always been that unless at some point you have a relationship with someone more sexually experienced, how are you ever going to learn anything?

You can read about sex until the proverbial cows come home, but absolutely nothing prepared me for my first direct experience of, say, cunnilingus – which is something else incels seem to find viscerally revolting as a concept, whereas for me it may be my single favourite sexual activity because nothing else directly stimulates all five of my senses in quite the same way. (The fact that my various partners seemed quite keen on it too was merely a happy bonus).

Shalimar
Shalimar
3 years ago

In their version of sex a woman is probably nothing more than a blow up doll.

No probably about it. But they have advanced to sex robots. Which they see as superior to actual women.

Viscaria
Viscaria
3 years ago

Should dudes attracted to older or fat women be thrown out of the incel club for having it too easy?

Yes. And then they should kick out anyone over a certain wrist circumference, and then anyone whose jawline is squarer than a set example, and then anyone whose eyes don’t… tilt? Or whatever? And they should keep whittling down their numbers until there are like 4 of them, and then they should disband.

Lainy
Lainy
3 years ago

I swear, incels dream girl is that creepy ass woman from the Orphan.

Lainy
Lainy
3 years ago

Also just got power back after the rage of tornadoes that hit the Kansas area. If your in Kansas with the like 5 places that got hit by tornadoes last night, I hope your all safe and well. Make sure to stock up on water and some caned food because we aren’t out of the woods yet.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Knitting Cat Lady,

That, and like all misogynists, they see sex a power struggle with a winner and loser rather than a pleasurable activity people do together. You aren’t winning unless it’s someone who’s difficult to persuade into bed. Like a conventionally attractive virgin supposedly is.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Lainy:

Glad you’re ok! That part of Kansas seems to get heavy weather a lot, no matter what season.

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