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Men hold the copyright to babies because their sperm creates life and women’s eggs are just sort of the baby house, confused anti-abortion MRA explains

Eggs: Just containers for sperm babies, basically

By David Futrelle

Sexual reproduction can be confusing. Luckily, there are always some very smart men around to explain it to any ladies who might need a refresher course. Like this dude, whose contribution to the abortion debate got the attention of @TakedownMRAs on Twitter.

Damn, I didn’t learn ANY of this in Sex Ed.

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46 replies on “Men hold the copyright to babies because their sperm creates life and women’s eggs are just sort of the baby house, confused anti-abortion MRA explains”

Ejaculation ≠ creation, Brian, you bignoramus. You don’t carry a fetus in your body, you get no say over what happens to it. Tough shit if you don’t like it.

So… if I create a giant paper mache art sculpture and leave it in your house, you are morally obligated to care for it, keep it in your home, and allot space to it, since I created it and I get to say what happens to it, even by forcing someone else to do all the work of maintaining it. Did I get that idea right?

And just wait till Brian learns how many fertilized eggs never even make it to implantation…as many as 2/3 of ’em, in fact. It would blow out whatever brains he’s got. Someone tell him and Frankie there that God is the biggest abortionist in the Universe.

If you don’t want your preciois sperm to be aborted by a woman, don’t fucking impregnate her. It is that simple. Men are doing it all the time!

Given how invested they are in the idea of men as scientists, you’d think they might have checked in to what’s been discovered since bleedin’ Aristotle.

If I could change just one thing about conservatism, I would eliminate their virulent hateed of learning….

What century is this moron living in?

In case you missed it, your precious seed only has 23 chromosomes, which is not enough to create anything by itself. Where do you think the other 23 come from?

Also, you’re not the one having to carry an gradually increasing weight on your hips for 9 months and then risking your life just to push it out.

You wanna be a father? Then you gotta pull your weight. That means financially, emotionally, and physiologically supporting your SO throughout the pregnancy, birth, and raising of your offspring.

I bet this guy would proudly “babysit” his kids and brag about what a good “babysitter” he was.

My dad had his faults, but at least he considered himself a parent, not a spermlord.

Ah, sperm is LIFE and people with a uterus are merely the incubator.

So Masturbation is Murder. Sounds like it’s not abortion providers that are the problem.

I don’t know what the hell is wrong with Brian. I will say this: that vintage picture of the baby coming out of the egg is adorable.

I thought Every Sperm is Sacred in the Monty Python movie was humor, not an educational device.

If I could change just one thing about conservatism, I would eliminate their virulent hateed of learning….

And then, presumably, you’d watch everything else about it, deprived of that central support, collapse like a house of cards built by some maladroit giant with chopsticks.

Congrats, you have the same understanding of the mechanics of fertilization and pregnancy that the ancient greeks did thousands of years ago.

So he’s trying to revive the homunculi theory?

This is what happens when sex education is ignored.

We should have expected this to happen when they started running that pregnancy test advertisement with the end saying “because you’re your baby’s first home” constantly…how they decided that a home pregnancy test = the uterus is a home for first time occupants and only temporary so don’t think you can stay there indefinitely…was the best ad verbiage?

Hell if I know, but a uterus is not a house damnit.

Hmm…interesting. I wonder if this fine fellow and his pin-headed buddies realize that the mitochondrial DNA, without which there can be no life, is carried ONLY by the egg…along with the rest of the mom’s DNA.

Now, I am the first to admit that higher mathematics is not my game, but that looks, to me, as though the mother contributes MORE to the growing new human than the father does.

Sorry, guys, but you lose again. And, unless you find a way to, say, graft the mitochondrial DNA in your skin cells into the developing embryo – at the moment of conception – you are not going to get rid of us.

Ain’t arithmetic grand?

Brian has a point; if I decide to laser-etch an illustration of my original foxpony character into a man’s skin, it is his ethical responsibility not to disturb my creation and to consult me before seeking any sort of modification or medical attention.

You wanna be a father? Then you gotta pull your weight. That means financially, emotionally, and physiologically supporting your SO throughout the pregnancy, birth, and raising of your offspring.

One of the best pieces of advice my mum ever gave me was “if you can’t imagine raising a child with that person, and especially if you find that prospect to be horrific in every imaginable way, don’t have sex with her”. I didn’t always follow this to the letter, admittedly, but she certainly had a point.

She also made it very clear that if I impregnated someone and didn’t live up to my responsibilities (which included raising the child if the mother decided to carry it to term), she’d disown me. And I have no reason to assume that she was joking – she took this sort of thing very very seriously indeed.

Okay, but…this actually gets argued in the Legally Blonde musical, in the song “Chip on My Shoulder.” I am serious. The law students have a class where a sperm donor is suing for visitation rights. Warner, the dude Elle chased to Harvard, claims that “without his sperm the child in question wouldn’t exist” so the dude is “within his rights to ask for visitation” and is winning…until Elle steps up.

“Mr. Huntington makes an excellent point, but did the defendant keep a log of every sperm emission made throughout his life?”

Teacher: “Interesting, why do you?”

Elle: “Well, unless the defendant attempted to contact every sexual encounter to find if a child resulted from those unions, he has no parental claim over this child whatsoever. Why now? Why this sperm?”

Teacher: “I see your point.”

Elle: “Also, by Mr. Huntington’s standard, all masturbatory emission, why the sperm was clearly not seeking an egg, could be called….reckless abandonment.”

Teacher: “Mrs. Woods…you just won your case!”

So, yeah. Your sperm better mean something every. single. time. if you want to claim this specific sperm is special and you get to control a woman because of it.

@Samantha Kaswell

And, unless you find a way to, say, graft the mitochondrial DNA in your skin cells into the developing embryo – at the moment of conception – you are not going to get rid of us.

Sperm do have mitochondria (they would swim far without them) but they’re discarded upon fusion along with the rest of the wiggly bits that are no longer needed. The eggs also carry all the nutrients needed to keep the zygote alive and dividing in the period between fertilization and implantation. Oh, and the egg has to do all the work of preventing multiple sperm fertilizing at once. I could go on, but if facts actually mattered, Brian would never have written anything quite so ignorant…

“that vintage picture of the baby coming out of the egg is adorable”

David always finds the best vintage pictures.

What is it with the right wing and their god-complex? They’re forever insisting that they alone are Creators (job creators, baby creators, civilization creators), and we should all worship them as such.

In the real world, you’ll never see a group more dedicated to destroying the things they claim to be creating. The legislation they pass, the policies they push, take away access to maternity leave, prenatal care, and early childhood education. Capitalism, increasingly, requires both parents to work long hours outside the house to make ends meet. Automation and outsourcing are removing jobs, to the point where college graduates can’t find work in their field. As for academia, science, the arts, and independent journalism (hallmarks of a civilized society), the right wing has been taking a crowbar to those things for decades.

All this “creation” must be some sort of performance art that we don’t understand.

This boy needs to get some modern information. That idea of his, that men make babies & women are just the pot they “cook” in goes back to ancient Greece. Does he also believe that the kid should be an exact replica of dad? And what if the baby’s not? How does he explain that? And if the kid is a girl?

Good lord, any woman this guy tries to hook up with needs to run like her hair is on fire away from him.

I actually laughed. A Spermist? Seriously? We disproved the Theory of Preformationism centuries ago.

This is the most infuriating thing about MRAs. You can spend all of your time researching, gathering data, and coming up with watertight arguments for why you feel the way you do before you present your argument, and they can say some ignorant shit like this and walk away back to their bros who will inevitably pat them on the back for truth-bombing the libtards even as you stare after them with your mouth hanging open at how anyone can be so ignorant of ninth-grade biology.

Reminds of that creepy “Wedding Song”

Well a man shall leave his mother, and a woman leave her home
They shall travel on to where the two shall be as one
As it was in the beginning is now until the end
A woman draws her life from man and gives it back again
And there is love, there is love

Icks me out every time I hear it at a wedding. It’s been a long time so maybe it’s fallen out of fashion.

Okay, I made a silly poster that took the image used in the tweet and wrote “Toes are very important” over it, but I can’t seem to remember how to embed images.

ANYWAY.

How does this person not know how reproduction works? At a very basic level??

Wow! Brian’s argument is so bad, so anti science and anti logic, that I wouldn’t be surprised if even that radical anti abortion priest that he wrote his reply to, facepalmed upon seeing it. Brian, did you ever take a biology course in high school? That’s not how reproduction works. Both the man and the woman who committed the sex act created the baby. It carries both of their DNA. Both the sperm and the egg are what creates the baby. The egg is not just a vessel for it. Even it it were, the woman would still be the one who had the carry it to term.

Beyond that, have you thought about the possibility that maybe the man might think that she should have an abortion? Maybe he thinks it would better for the two of them if they didn’t have the baby. Also, do you agree with your fellow MRAs who support paper abortions, where men would have the right to refuse to pay for child support after getting the mother knocked up? If you do, congratulations on being a hypocrite in addition to be nearly totally ignorant on how human reproduction works.

I’m sure we have the technology now for men to carry babies inside of them.

Just put some inert sack in the abdomen. Silicone or something. Redirect some nutritional lines and arteries and veins and such.

Why isn’t this a thing? I openly advocate for male pregnancy.

Guess what will happen to the abortion ‘debate’ when men have to carry to term? hehehe

Oh yeah? Well then, hows about once contraception begins, the feeeemale should get something that squirts the egg out on a tissue and let the guy sit on it if he wants to cry so much about it? Lets see him be the true creator.

Hed probably get lazy and put it in a chick incubator and think he has to water it like a plant. All hail the creator. Where the hell are those artificial wombs they keep sneering about at women, saying theyre going to replace them? Those things cant come fast enough.

I know I’ve heard about scientists working to turn egg cells into sperm cells. If any gender is going to be made obsolete, it’s going to be men.

@Elizabeth Mancz

Does he also believe that the kid should be an exact replica of dad? And what if the baby’s not? How does he explain that?

Well, their favorite insult is cuck.

Kind of off topic but hopefully amusing

Where I was little I thought if a woman had sex with a man she had a boy and if she had sex with a woman she has a girl so obviously my god mother was my other
mum.

Ps hello everyone

@Pretty Pink Punnani Princess
@Tovius

I love all these ideas and @Dazed and Confused, you were clearly a child genius.

Although I do sometimes like penises! Using a fake one on myself is just too much arm work.

…Though finding a suitable real penis to replace the fakey one is just another full time job I don’t get paid for.

@jone

Just put some inert sack in the abdomen. Silicone or something. Redirect some nutritional lines and arteries and veins and such.

There’s basically nothing that’s inert enough in the human body, and building a working replica of a uterus is kinda hard. An ectopic pregnancy would be easy enough to arrange, but not very useful.

What I find also very disturbing is the I make it, it is mine. Has very bad asosiations, if continues after birth. (Seeing children as beeing owned by their father is a scary concept)
And not about biology, has this guy ever interacted with parents and their child? Every parent can tell you a lot of thinks that their child has from them or the other parent (if they know their partner well).
Reminds me of the post where on incel acused his mother (and only his mother) that it was her fault that he was ugly.
Two logic failures from the other direction.

@Who?, that’s just it. These guys claim to be all about the logix, but their own fallacies about sex and reproduction and gender roles all cancel each other out. One can’t “own” a baby on one hand, claiming one made that when one only contributed half the DNA in one forgettable squirt, and then turn around and blame the uterus-haver who carried it for one when the kid turns out “wrong” (by one’s own flawed lights). These guys want it both ways, and it maddens them to realize that they don’t, in fact, get to have it either way, much less both.

No wonder they’re incels. Who wants to make babies with a pseudo-intellectual jackass? Whether the sex results in a live birth or not, the final outcome is bound to be underwhelming, to say the least.

Most incels will stay incels because their opinions are so vile that the normal reaction to encounter one, is probably to leave fast (no matter if you are a man or a woman).
They search for excuses what is wrong with them without examine that isue.

@Bina

I’d also love to see their reactions if their fathers showed up and ordered them to stop being assholes on the internet. I mean, clearly they belong to their fathers, and wouldn’t be allowed to disobey, right? Right?

Re: the overtones of “I made it so it’s mine.”

That’s what serial rapist, murderer, torturer and child abuser Fred West used to tell his children. At least one of whom he murdered, and several of whom he raped, pimped and tortured.

In other DNA-being more complicated than you’d think news, there’s discussion of how we got the Neanderthal DNA (about 1% – 3.5% in non-sub-saharan-African populations).

But no mitochondria, and no Y chromosomes have survived from the Neanderthal input, so scientists are concluding that

– Neanderthal men with Sapiens women may have been fertile, but –
Sapiens men with Neanderthal women apparently not.

And the sons of Neanderthal fathers and Sapiens mothers were not fertile, whereas the daughters of such unions were.

Bringing back outdated science is all the rage these days. We already have people trying to resurrect geocentrism, why not homunculus theory?

First of all, We started out as male and female in one body. Originally we created within ourselves and when we were divided, the female got the larger part, XX and the male the lesser part XY. There are many animals classified as female who have given birth parthenogenically , and the female human has the ability to do the same thing. Each sex has dormant members in their body and there use to be such a thing as a nursing father. Look it up for yourselves, it took many years for me reading non stop to find these things.
Second, men waste more potential babies then women ever thought to abort, they are alive also with a consciousness steering their course. Also, if you don’t want women to abort then change the laws about rape, and also stop believing you have the right to treat women any which way you want to.
Educate and stop the hate and separation we now live by.

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