By David Futrelle
Jordan “Women are Chaos” Peterson got into a bit of hot water a couple of months back when he told a reporter for the New York Times that some sort of “enforced monogamy” might be necessary to make sure the supply of women is properly distributed amongst the male population.
When people asked him what the holy fuck he was talking about, the Canadian fussbudget and Intellectual Dark Web icon insisted that he wasn’t advocating the “arbitrary dealing out of damsels to incels” or anything like that; no, he was just advocating the “social enforcement of monogamy” so that the sort of men who might turn to violence if they can’t get their hands on women would be able to get their hands (and wedding rings) on women.
He didn’t specify exactly HOW one might “socially enforce” such an outcome, though traditionally this sort of thing tends to involve considerable “socially enforced” (and legally enforced) restrictions on female sexuality.
Conveniently, some less-inhibited thinkers have been more willing to step forward with specific suggestions. One of those solution-providers is the energetically misogynistic neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin. In a recent post on his Daily Stormer site, Anglin offers a detailed plan designed to enforce monogamy by putting the “stupid whores” of today back in their place.
While Anglin is less concerned with redistributing sex than he is with increasing baby production, his plan would do both things at once. In a post with the lovely title “Stupid Whores Want to Spend Time Guzzling Cock Rather Than Producing Children,” Anglin explains what he sees as the central problem with women today:
Over a 25 year period, women in America have decided as a group that they are going to put off pregnancy in order to suck dicks, parade around like sluts, and get money through affirmative action hoax jobs to buy shitty, pointless consumer goods. … a huge percentage of women are waiting til their wombs dry-up on their eternal cock-quest and not even having kids at all.
It’s true that women are, on average, having children later than they used to, and having fewer of them. As the New York Times has recently noted, “the average age of first-time mothers is 26, up from 21 in 1972, and for fathers it’s 31, up from 27.”
This is actually, as Vox explained not long ago, the result of some rather progressive trends: a dramatic drop in teen pregnancies and a larger percentage of women in the work force, which has led more women in the 30-44 year age range to have kids. (It’s not clear to what extent dick-sucking and slut-parading have affected these larger trends. I should also note that Anglin is himself a 34-year-old man with no children, though he clearly doesn’t see his own bachelor lifestyle as part of the problem.)
Anglin’s “solution” is to promote marriage and motherhood — and to basically launch an all-out cultural attack on female autonomy. “The only thing we can do is get women back in their place,” he writes, “and we have to do that by disincentivizing whoring around.”
Along with restrictions on divorce and financial incentives for young married couples with children, Anglin recommends a few things that sound more than a little like something you might find in a GOP platform:
- Changing public school sex-ed courses to inform women that whoring is gross …
- Offering motherhood classes in public schools, informing girls that “mother” is a valid career choice
- Further restricting access to abortion and other birth control
But Anglin has some slightly more radical ideas as well:
- Men need to start publicly calling women whores
- Men need to STOP thinking women are above them, and start generally treating them like shit
- Men need to start telling women they have no purpose but to create children
- Divorced women need to be shunned by everyone in society
- We need more “no hymen, no diamond” memes (I don’t really think this is a valid position for most men to take, but they are great memes which make women go insane – they HATE it when it is pointed out to them that they are filthy whores)
He ends with this, er, miniature manifesto, which he puts in bolded type for emphasis:
These wombs belong to us, not the idiot creatures that they are attached to. They were given to us by God to reproduce ourselves within. The dumb animals they are attached to were supposed to serve us, but they have gotten out of control. We always need to be looking for new ways to get these stupid animals to give us back the wombs they have stolen from us.
“Enforced monogamy” would be ugly. Jordan Peterson’s version of it might not be quite as drastic as Anglin’s, but it would also, of necessity, require stigmatizing female sexual autonomy and independence. It would require, to some degree, putting “women back in their place,” as Anglin bluntly puts it. It would also require what Anglin calls “disincentivizing whoring around.”
No, it wouldn’t require secret police kidnapping women and forcing them to marry the men who are currently declaring themselves “involuntarily celibate.” But it would require social pressure strong enough to send some women into the arms of these potentially quite dangerous men.
Peterson thinks that “enforced monogamy” would somehow reduce violence by reducing the frustrations of sexless men, forgetting that the sort of guy who threatens violence when he can’t get laid is likely to turn to violence if he deems his wife insufficiently obedient — or if he gets jealous of her talking, however innocently, with another man. “Enforced monogamy” won’t protect women from violence; it may put them more at risk. And the revival of “traditional” social restrictions on women would do damage of another sort.
Peterson often resorts to denials and obfuscation when people start asking about the implications of some of his more dire pronouncements — as he did, fairly successfully, when his “enforced monogamy” comments first stirred up controversy. And so Anglin may have done us all a favor of sorts by making a bit clearer what a nightmare “enforced monogamy” would be for women and for men who care about the rights of women and sexual freedom in general.
God accidentally (?) attached men’s rightful wombs to slutty, sexy animals. Doing something you definitely do NOT get paid for in any form is a valid career choice. Up is down, truth is deceit and freedom is slavery but at least they still seem to be clear on who’s black and who’s white
When I once pointed out to an anti-choice RepubliCon that banning abortion would probably disproportionately increase non-white births, he attempted to argue that this was so and therefore pro-choice Liberals were the real racists. Perhaps the misogyny of forced childbirth appeals even more than racism to some Righties.
@16cats
I confess I have a morbid curiosity about people like this come to exist. Then I read Wikipedia’s Daily Stormer article:
sigh — yeah, that figures.
May I see God’s deed of donation?
Can’t help feeling that a great many men would be quite happy with the non procreative BJ as their sexual mainstay.
He wants uteruses returned to him? I am having my first period in over six months. Gimme a few mins to talk to a surgeon-I’ve had two kids and am nearly fifty, so I can probably convince one to rip the bloody thing out-and I can have one genuine proven baby-producing womb delivered to his doorstep, no problem.
As Peterson came up I feel obligated to share this here too:
These idiots NEVER see themselves as part of the problem… they’re the very definition of “willful ignorance.”
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In happier news, today’s google doodle celebrates a woman who was EVERYTHING the misogynists hate!!
Once again proving that my conscious decision to never have children was the right one.
Just to clarify, I decided not to have children because I’m simply not interested in being a mother. My womb will remain unfruitful while I pursue a career in academia, and I’m perfectly happy with that. There are many benefits to being childless.
(Yes I am white, and yes I did indeed go into detail about my reasons simply to annoy any lurking Andrew Anglin fans. EAT MY ABILITY TO MAKE MY OWN DECISIONS)
If I’m going to put up with period cramps, fibroids, heavy bleeding, pap smears, and labor, then I get to decide what to do with my uterus.
Tell you what. You give back the earth, which God “gave to men” under your same idiotic sky-man belief system, and which you have utterly befouled and fucked up in your greedy quest for dominion, and then we’ll talk.
Till then, fundies, enjoy your hateful bile and impotent rage at happy, free women everywhere. You can’t even be trusted to wipe your own butts. Why should God trust you with gestation, when you’re such terrible stewards of your own asses, and of the planet?
OT, you have seen this, right?
But sexism is all in our heads.
@Buttercup
You remind me of a webcomic I saw years ago – Jesus coming to Earth at rapture time, putting his hands on his hips and declaring, “I’m not taking you ANYWHERE until you clean this place up!”
Wow, Andrew, I can’t imagine why you’re still single!
Remember when the manosphere was all gung-ho for “financial abortions”? That idea kinda evaporated amid all the alt-right “muh white genocide” bullshit, dinnit?
Also oh my god, hymens don’t work that way, can you people not know how the female body works any more than you already don’t??? This is why sex ed classes are so freakin’ important you goddamned retrograde ASSFACES–%@##$@~!$
*ahem* Apologies, your Katamount is very important to us. Please hold and the first available dollar beer will be with you in a moment….
@ruina
While I can agree that the unpaid work done by women in the form of housework is very much undervalued in society, to think that what makes a career “valid” is monetary rewards is just so…neoliberal. It’s two sides of the same lousy coin.
@wwth
Remember, a component of “ZOG” conspiracy theories is that multiculturalism is a plot to weaken the white race.
I think Anglin believes enforced monogamy would simply be one front in a greater race war, which would of course involve setting up a white ethnostate, thus solving the race balance issue. Furthermore, his low opinion of the intelligence of women probably makes him assume that white women would simply get with the program without dissent if it this idea was pushed hard enough, since it’s obviously the (((leftists))) that are poisoning the simple minds of women with this idea that “whoring” is fine.
It almost sounds as if he believes that intelligence isn’t tied to DNA… but that would explode his “race realist” beliefs. Oh, so close.
It’s about teaching women from childhood that they are inferior to men.
It’s about taking away economic and social autonomy.
It’s about taking away reproductive freedom.
It’s about permitting physical violence against women, either overtly or by discreetly not interfering in a ‘family matter’.
It’s about fucking women over.
@Podkayne Lives
We already have this and more, which I know was your point, but jeez. And don’t forget the most important thing is that we be pretty and pleasing to men. Like the man said, anything else is commentary and we are certainly taught this.
@Ledasmom
Hugs and hang in. Those last periods before full menopause are a grizzly/grisly bear. I don’t know quite why, but I’ve never bled so hard outside of dysfunctional uterine bleeding in my life.
@Buttercup
Tell you what. You give back the earth, which God “gave to men” under your same idiotic sky-man belief system, and which you have utterly befouled and fucked up in your greedy quest for dominion, and then we’ll talk.
Amen to that. Aaahmen! I am daily upset that we not only aren’t addressing really fundamental issues but seem to be going backwards. I don’t understand it. And like everyone else who is concerned I feel utterly helpless to do anything useful about it, though I do try and am going to try harder.
SJW: Somebody set up us the dumb.
RATS: All your womb are belong to us.
Katie: Move ZOG! For great justice!
…yeah, that’s all I’ve got. Dude’s dumber than a bag full of stupid.
@Alan Robertshaw: I can hazard a guess or two.
@Babymaker: It may not be dead, but it’s certainly on life support thanks to these assclowns.
Even when ranting about women being “whores” and “sluts” they can’t stop being focused on their dicks.
Apparently women love “guzzling cocks” as their sexual outlet instead of say, having men “guzzle poon” because women’s sexual pleasure is a myth.
@Ariblester:
You don’t have to be a “neoliberal” to object to the language calling motherhood a “career.” We can make worthy and valid life choices that aren’t about money, I agree. Paid work is not the only work that matters, I agree. We don’t have to accept the premise that “careers” are important or more important than other life choices, I agree.
However, expressions like “motherhood is a career” or the homemaker is “CEO of the house” are clearly a smarmy attempt to compensate homemakers with the language of respect instead of actually compensating them for the labor they perform.
I find this kind of language deeply insulting because it implies that a) we agree that careers are the most important thing and b) we can’t see the difference between getting paid in words and getting paid in cold hard cash.
Edit to add: this applies not just to mothers but to all uncompensated family caregivers.
@Ariblester:
The word “career” implies opportunity for advancement at the very least, if not some kind of monetary or bartered compensation. As a stay at home parent myself, I definitely feel undervalued and there’s no way I’m getting any kind of “advancement”. But the fact it’s not a career by definition DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT WORTHWHILE, IMPORTANT, OR EXTREMELY VALUABLE TO BE A PARENT. No reasonable feminist could argue against that. Parenting is the most important JOB in the world. It NEEDS to be done, and done well, if we are to have an improving society.
I’ve actually been over this point a few times with my marriage counselor, who has been trying to work this into my husband’s head.
As a regular denizen of reddit, he is, alas, skating on the edge of MRAdom himself and had been regularly insulting me for “not contributing” financially to the household (even though I’m also essentially “forbidden” to have a job outside the home, when I tried to bring it up) and complaining about doing all the work (even though I handle all the basic home improvements and most of the maintenance myself, such as carpentry, metalwork and painting, as well as parenting our disabled daughter).
@AuntieMame
Re: Penis envy
Camping or roadside stops. The only times I feel the envy.
@Rattus
I’m with you there. Peeing al fresco without having to completely disrobe always seemed convenient to me too. This is why I like skirts, or one of the reasons, makes the al fresco process easier.
I just realized that I’ve been an uncompensated caregiver for a long time. Why isn’t this valued at all? I do understand but at the same time I don’t.
Regarding the Japanese medical school that was fiddling the numbers, I wonder if we can expect something like that here soon as there is a lot of upset that when based on the numbers, women are filling more than 50 percent of seats in the professional schools. They write scary articles about how these women are essentially pricing themselves out of the marriage market with all that achievement because no man will want a woman more accomplished or successful than himself. Which sadly does seem to be often true as there are articles about how a woman making more money than her husband puts stress on a marriage as well. What do we as a society do to men?
I don’t understand why it’s so hard to adjust. Can any men give some insight on that? Why can’t a man learn to just be proud of his accomplished wife’s or girlfriend’s or gal-pal’s achievements, as he would be proud of male close friend or relative, instead of feeling insecure and jealous of her success, as if it reflects badly on him as a man to be associated with someone more successful than he? Why the sense of must-win competition against women, instead of being on their team cheering them on? Why do men in our society seem to be determined to measure their success as men by keeping women below them as much as possible, instead of beside them so that we can spur each other on to ever greater success?
re: “al fresco” peeing, the Go-Girl is a thing and it does work. 🙂
Enforced Monogamy.
Dude. Where’s my dad?
Wow. I’m disappointed to learn that I’ve reached my mid-fifties, and every job I’ve ever had in my life has been an affirmative action scam. Booz hooz.