By David Futrelle
The last time we checked in on the execrable racist fantasy author Theodore “Vox Day” Beale, he was urging his followers to smear leftists by posting fake memes, ostensibly from AntiFa activists, advocating domestic violence against women and children. This kind of dishonesty, he proclaimed, was a particularly “effective” form of “persuasion” that only “spergs” could possibly oppose.
But it turns out that Mr. Day doesn’t admire lying quite so much when people are lying about him.
In recent days, Vox has launched an all-out war on Gab, the “free speech” Twitter alternative that’s become something of a haven for shitlords and Nazis. Vox is angry, you see, that Gab’s admins won’t take down a handful of comments smearing him as a pedophile, apparently posted by several Daily Stormer fans who don’t think Vox is enough of a Nazi to hang with the alt-right.
Gab’s refusal to delete these comments, Vox declared in a post a couple of days ago, makes the site “knowingly complicit in publishing these false, malicious, and defamatory statements.” And so he threatened to unleash his “flying monkey” squad to dox the offending Gab commenters and to task his “Legal Legion of Evil” (no, that’s really what he calls them) with, well, whatever Legal Legions of Evil do.
“[T]he Legal Legion and I,” Vox announced in a followup post,
will be pursuing this matter until the defamation is removed and the @dantheman10, @GTKRWN, and @Fabian_Nazism are forced to answer for their defamatory actions.
In yet another post yesterday, Vox assures his readers that “I am not seeking to harm Gab” before going on to declare that, since “Gab has elected to act as an obstacle to [my] objectives … that obstacle will be removed.”
Vox, as you may have gathered by now, loves to monologue like a cartoon villain.
He’s also been enthusiastically accusing the “Daily Stormpoopers,” as he calls them, of an assortment of things that he is also guilty of. The “stormpoopers,” he rails,
cannot be trusted, ever, since deceit is literally the core of their instruction manual. Lying, exaggerating their influence, and shitting on the carpet of every online abode that welcomes them is the full extent of their accomplishments.
Projection ain’t just a river in Egypt.
Naturally, Vox’s many enemies on Gab have responded with some highly sophisticated arguments of their own. Like calling him “Vox Gay.”
And of course others have been doubling down on the pedophile accusations.
And then of course there are the memes, like this one, comparing Vox with the Daily Stormer’s Andrew Anglin.
And this one, with Vox in a sort of time-out:
I’m sure it gets worse than this, but I really don’t want to spend any more time poking around on Gab to find out.
Today, Vox Day and Andrew Anglin took their ongoing slap fight to YouTube, ostensibly debating the merits of National Socialism for an hour on something called Reality Calls. I’m sure it was quite, er, informative, but I’m not going to watch it to find out.
This is one of those fights in which you hope all sides lose, big league.
Gab, eh? So they’ve created their own Hunger Games and locked themselves in the arena?
Someone mix me a smart cocktail. I’m wanna enjoy this.
@sinkable john
I don’t think that is supposed to be an ass (at least not that kind. Those two are definitely asses, though)
@Redsilkphoenix
I doubt it. It’s more likely a reference to the Fabian Society, whose goal is to achieve socialism via democratic reforms instead of revolution.
Like, this song could be song by basically any misogynist. I’m mostly referring to the way he’s talking about how she’s “been controlled” and he can set her free as a way to try and ignore that she decided to not be with him after he murdered a bunch of people.
“Okay folks, we’re getting banned from freeze peaches on the internet, let’s form our own social media site and circle the wagons! Everybody grab a gun and shoot when you feel threatened!”
Except no one remembered the rule to make sure you’re all facing out before the triggers get pulled. And wouldn’t you know it, there isn’t a single one of ’em who isn’t happy if they’re not shooting at something, even if it’s their own feet.
“Projection ain’t just a river in Egypt.”
Nope; sometimes it turns vomitous.
Added: I like Anna-in-PDX’s LOTR comparison, except that I worry that it may be disrespectful to Orcs. Orcs really are big, tough and fearsome, whereas Vox is only pretending, as are most of his opponents. Orcs don’t burst out crying when non-Orcs are mean to them. There is no crying in Mordor. (Not much, anyway.) But Vox is nobody’s Fighting Uruk-Hai, and neither are any of the guys who are picking on him.
Before reading thought the cartoon of “Chad Anglin” was supposed to be the one they were making fun of.
“Added: I like Anna-in-PDX’s LOTR comparison, except that I worry that it may be disrespectful to Orcs. Orcs really are big, tough and fearsome, whereas Vox is only pretending, as are most of his opponents. Orcs don’t burst out crying when non-Orcs are mean to them. There is no crying in Mordor. (Not much, anyway.) But Vox is nobody’s Fighting Uruk-Hai, and neither are any of the guys who are picking on him.”
Strangely enough, he and the “Dread Ilk”–yes, that is what they call themselves, I do not make this shit up–are really fond of comparing themselves to orcs, especially the Fighting Uruk-Hai, which is really kind of sad in all kinds of ways, and demonstrates the bizarre mess that is their entire worldview.
@Sinkable: That groin area suggests that someone is more of a Tom of Finland fan that he would ever dare admit. (He also can’t draw, but that’s unsurprising.)
*takes a piece of delicious schadenfreude-y popcorn*
The level of projection combined with lack of self-reflection Poxy Day is capable of never ceases to amaze.
While no less vilely racist scum, I’m kind of willing to consider if there might be some differences between the Alt-Right and the openly Nazi, since the Nazi ones never seem to consider them quite Nazi enough? Not that it makes much difference, though, and the important aspect is that they continue to prove they don’t like it up ’em, even when it’s ‘friendly’ fire. Who’d have guessed they were hateful scumbags who are incapable of working with other people without the very rules they so decry, eh?
Leo : that being said, the alt right don’t need to have significant ideological difference to be the target of purge.
The far right is similar to the fabled union of all misanthropes. Having a common goal don’t actually unite them.
Okay, I honestly thought that Anglin was drawn so that his ass was on backward.
But I guess that instead he’s supposed to have huge balls?
In addition, don’t Nazis hate Chads? Guess not, if Andrew Anglin is suddenly a Chad.
Interestingly enough, there’s nothing in this description of “Chad” Anglin about the women he’s attracted or captured or whatever. Isn’t the essence of Chad-ism the fact that he’s surrounded by women?
I’m confused.
But now I remember that I can’t look for logic or consistency or even common sense in the writing of Nazis.
So Andrew Anglin has his ass on backward — er, big balls — and he’s super-Chadly but no women are involved. Got it.
That Vox vs. Anglin meme is hilarious. Apparently, these guy think being a misshapen blob is an improvement. They inadvertently insulted the guy they were complementing (and vice versa).
Anyhoo….
I haven’t got the sources with me, but I do seem to recall that the Nazis took Gamergate’s blind, categorical hate as a sign that they could infiltrate the movement and use 4chan and the like as a recruiting platform. Bannon specifically saw it as a tactic earlier on from his experiences in World of Warcraft, watching aggrieved computerbros hyperbolicaly rail against gold farmers.
At this point each of the groups within the big tent of the Alt-Right are high on victory and maybe feel like they no longer need each other? The Nazis don’t need weedy computerbros; they’re marching on the streets and any chanlord that shows up with a kekistan flag is gonna get harassed into oblivion for not conforming as a Nazi. The goose-stepping Nazis are getting mocked on chan boards for taking it too seriously.
They’ve gotten what they needed out of their exploitation of 4chan, and have seriously filled their ranks. Could that be happening right now? I dunno. Rather like the idea, though.
@Leo This shit again?
While there may be a sliver of difference between the ideologues of National Socialism, the KKK, and their ilk, functionally the guys who hang out and cheer ’em on and are down with the cause are the same. Especially in that their game at this point is intimidation, and anyone adding to that by showing up to their rallies are 100% equally culpable. While some of them might eventually step back from a lynching or a church burning or whatever and think “too far” they’ll have helped move the culture to that point, and are as guilty for that as the next person. Until the break with the machine, they’re a gear in it. They’ve not lied down with dogs and gotten fleas; they are a flea.
@Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Yeah, and while there’s some satisfaction in seeing those chickens come home to roost… well. The old space shuttles had booster rockets that they shed when they achieved escape velocity, because they weren’t needed anymore. This feels like that. They’ve gotten from these folk what they needed, and will continue on their way unless they are resisted.
To add to this; yes, some of the shills are falling by the wayside and the infighting is delicious, we can’t afford to let our collective guard down. This movement has legs, and things are gonna get far, far worse as the true leaders of the movement consolidate power. The useful idiots are fighting each other. The charismatic leaders and those who’ve held long term plans that are coming to fruit are pushing them forth.
Silly Vox. As an author [sic] he should know about the “show don’t tell” rule. You don’t tell people “I have an army of lawyers”, you show it by having them actually write letters. I bet he has exactly as many lawyers as he has Hugo awards.
Comparison: Random facts about Vox Day vs. Andrew Anglin
Vox Day has so much Native blood he could claim membership of almost any tribe if he wanted. Andrew Anglin has so much White blood he could claim ownership of almost any country if he wanted.
Vox Day has a vanity press technically located in Finland that only publishes original English drivel. Andrew Anglin has a vanity website technically banished to a gulag in Siberia that only publishes recycled German drivel.
Vox Day thinks he looks badass when posing with a flaming sword between his legs. Andrew Anglin thinks he is so badass you should be able to see it from his learner’s permit photo.
@Bobbie La Bomb
Oh, not intending to say Vox isn’t as culpable, hence my comment on him being ‘no less vilely racist scum’. It’s just funny to see the Nazis aren’t satisfied that he’s Nazi enough, and that now the channers are annoyed because he’s perceived as a spoilsport of their messed-up ‘fun’, though I do think Ohlmann is right, and put it very well, that they don’t need to have significant idealogical differences for there to be purges, and in-fighting.
Maybe what they do have is differences in attitude. I like the idea they could split, too, Scildfreja. I think some of the channers would just get bored if it was seen as too No ‘Fun’ Allowed for them, and some of them are as capable of deciding to go after Nazis/Alt-Right who annoy them as anything else. What the far right didn’t really get about them, was that despite their hyperbolic railing, some of them at least started out down this road as basically satisfied with status quo apart from some aspects, and were mad because anyone is trying to change it to make it better for other people, because they don’t see there as being a problem, since it’s not a problem for them. While status quo is very rightwing, it’s still not as extremely far right as the Nazis want to make it. Struggling with terms a bit here because the channers essentially are far right, some of them very, but hope the point is comprehensible.
I’d say the attitudes and any infiltration, by red piller types etc, was there before Gamergate, it was being recognised right as it started who were the ones making a thing of it, while to most it was at most just a piece of gossip, if they cared at all. It might well have drawn more in, and been intended to, though. They seemed moreso to start to get worse because they were mad about the Feminist Frequency videos, though, that was the point at which it really became hard to have a sensible conversation about feminist perspectives on games without them massively derailing it. I did notice how clueless a lot of those kicking off about ‘censorship’ seemed about games, too, anyone who knows anything about them knows how common localisation changes have always been, not that the facts ever matter to this lot anyway.
@Leo
Your point was:
…which is what you were doing in the other thread. Putting out there that “Maybe you should lower your guard”. Yeah, we KNOW you’re willing to consider it. Because that’s kinda your thing. Arguing that these sorts chanting “Blood and soil” with torches and Seig Heiling synagogues really aren’t worth worrying about. Just like you argued last time. And yer gonna continue to do this, in this thread and many others.
I see your game, and I suspect I’m not alone in this.
Here’s a new piece of guerrilla art that’s gone up in Richmond.
It’s been suggested I don’t embed it, so add a ‘g’ to the end of the link if you want to see. Warning: shows possibly distressing images of Klansmen.
http://fq8ku9wqwk7gai1z3frl16nd.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/hangingklan-996×515.pn
It’s perhaps worth remembering that in WW2 one of the biggest “anti-Nazi” hubs was the SS.
There was no difference in ideology and both organisations were equally vile; they just didn’t get on either.
Names and uniforms are just window dressing distractions. Underneath, it’s just fascists all the way down.
Tbh there are lots of different types of Orcs, and many are portrayed as treacherous and cowardly, and small as well. The Uruk Hai are Saruman’s slaves – they have no autonomy or society. The ‘natural’ Orcs do at least have an idea of leaving a boss and striking out on their own – though they will turn on each other in an instant.
So yes, plenty of comparisons with the various a holes in the manosphere and the alt-right!
@Alan Robertshaw
Yep. I’m not willing to assign bonus points for being savvy enough to say ‘racism is bad’. Or realizing one needs to take a stronger stance on neo-nazis after ‘we don’t need to be concerned’ didn’t fly last time.
Against someone I explicitly called vilely racist scum on a level with open Neo-Nazis? Nowhere in my post is there that suggestion. Rather my hope is Scildfreja’s, of more in-fighting. Identifying different factions amongst your enemies doesn’t mean that one is less bad, the KKK don’t all seem exactly the same as Neo-Nazis even if any difference is mostly uniform, but are clearly as bad.
You can also strongly oppose different groups in cases where there is more of an idealogical difference between them – for instance I vehemently oppose both Republicans, and our British Conservatives. Even if Conservatives, unlike these groups, could legitimately be seen as less far right by comparison, they’re still absolutely rightwing enough to represent a serious problem.
Fingers crossed they keep themselves busy with this Gab thing for quite some time, not sure if Vox understood what he was in for and there’s almost bound to be more disagreement between them if they don’t ‘censor’ anything said. I think even the Neo-Nazi sites used to have moderation, didn’t they?