
By David Futrelle
Donald Trump took a few minutes out from his golf vacation today to threaten North Korea with the “fire and fury” of a massive, possibly nuclear, military strike. “They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before,” a stern-voiced Trump, his arms uncharacteristically crossed, told reporters at his Bedminster golf club.
On Reddit’s TheDonald — the popular subreddit, with nearly half a million subscribers, that is home to the site’s most fervent Trump superfans — the regulars are itching for Trump to pull the trigger.
Some are using the occasion as an excuse to make jokes that are awful in every sense of the word:
Others are happily talking about the effect the president’s apocalyptic rhetoric allegedly had on their penises.
More than a few were happy to write off North Korea’s entire population, greeting the prospect of the literal genocide of the North Korean people with a shrug.
For many TheDonald regulars, the possible annihilation of millions matters far less than the prospect of “triggering” their ideological foes.
There’s the requisite anti-Asian racism:
And an assortment of other bigotries, because why not use the possibility of nuclear war with North Korea as an opportunity to make jokes about Muslim rapists and “tr*nnies” and a former president many deplorables have decided was secretly gay in addition to being Kenyan.
Only a few commenters struck a note of caution.
Finally, someone they can show a little sympathy to — themselves!
Just a reminder, when then-candidate Trump did an “Ask Me Anything” appearance on Reddit, he didn’t do it in the subreddit where AMA’s traditionally have taken place. He did it in TheDonald. The subreddit’s 470,926 subscribers aren’t fringe characters in Trump World; they are his base.
@Pavlov’s House
Unless I’m much mistaken 3/4s of the members of the U.S. Army voted for Donald Trump, according to election statistics. I hardly think they value equality and progressivism.
To quote from the NPR article:
@Diego Duarte
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aol.com/amp/2016/11/11/why-veterans-voted-donald-trump-swing-states/
About that much. As if we needed yet another reason to despise the US military. Even ground troops aren’t exempt from contempt.
Watching all of this unfold is nerve-racking.
@Ooglyboggles
Pretty much. Being a foreigner it baffles me how poorly received any comment about the US military usually is. Even liberals glorify military service and jingoism as if the institution had done anything positive after WWII.
Veterans may have supported Trump in part because we’ve had 15+ years of uninterrupted wars with no clear progress or success. Trump blames “liberal elites” for that, and hence pro-military people can have a “politically correct” reason for backtracking and admitting the Iraq War was a mistake.
Pavlovs House:
I thought Switzerland had a number of those until the 1980s?
@Diego Duarte
Personally, I call people “foolish” and hardly ever “dumb” or “stupid”.
A fool, after all, isn’t necessarily lacking in intelligence, but mostly in judgement and willingness to learn. Heck, I worked with mentally handicapped people and elderly people with dementia for years and even though some of them couldn’t use long words or keep a long conversation, they were some of the kindest and most emphatic being on the planet.
@DiegoDuarte and Oogelyboggles
Of course the ones that voted for Trump don’t hold to those values. But many of the rest of us do and the minority is sizeable….more so than people like Trump accept or admit. So is the influence of that minority.
I work and teach at a major military educational institution, and see and work closely with future and current leadership daily. The U.S. Army that I know in my daily life isn’t the repository of overwhelming rigid conservatism that one might think. But perhaps I’m either facing a microcosm unrepresentative of the larger institution or just naively idealist.
I’m old enough to remember when the major argument against Hillary was “She’ll get us into a nuclear war”.
Mueller and Schneiderman must be getting uncomfortably close. Expect more of this shit in coming days, to try to distract from the Russia news cycle. Trump was also tweeting about the “failing NY Times” earlier this week, so I wouldn’t be surprised if another big story is about to drop.
Meanwhile, Putin’s achieved one of his major goals: destabilizing and weakening the US. These chest-thumping Reddit putzes don’t realize how hard they’re getting played, and that they’re directly to blame for this new, unraveled America. They think they’re on the winning team. They’re convinced 45 is on their side, when even a cursory glance at his past reveals that he always, always, ALWAYS stiffs people. Contractors, customers, underpaid models, ripped-off Trump University students, Russian presidents interested in the lifting of sanctions…it’s how he does business. His standard MO: 1) refuse to pay people what he owes them 2) make them go to court 3) bankrupt them with legal fees 4) force them to accept pennies on the dollar 5) lower the settlement even further because they accepted too readily 6) proclaim himself a “tough negotiator”.
What makes his supporters think they’ll fare any differently?
@Moggie
“I thought Switzerland had a number of those until the 1980s?”
Yeah, true, I forgot about that….would have to look it up but I bet they did. It’s certainly a place where that kind of installation would have still made a lot of sense and maybe still does.
@Alan
Interesting, thanks.
“…often just barrels on simple frames or concrete bollards”
Whoa….wow. Well, I guess that’s one way to do it. And if it’s just a big barrage to terrorize I guess they don’t need sophisticated targeting. I wonder if their air defenses are worth anything.
@Pavlovs House: how big is the officer corps compared to the rest of the army? Could easily be that 3/4 of the enlisted men are trumpets, while the officer corps is better off.
Recent TV show (within 10 years?) made the point that some of the “barns” in Switzerland were in fact hidden artillery mounts. I believe they still have an AFB tunneled into a mountainside. Swiss may be “neutral”, but good luck winning any battle to take them over.
Pavlovs House: I suspect they’d be able to shoot down the occasional helicopter, or maybe a passenger plane if they tried.
But so what? They aren’t really planning to exactly *win* a war against the US, it’s enough just to make sure that South Korea will lose. With long-range nukes, they could also add on that the US itself would lose.
With thousands of cannon set up, Seoul is guaranteed to lose in an instant. The general quoted above is confident that he can beat NK in 15 minutes. That’s too long.
@ pavlov’s house
Don’t know anything about NK’s airforce, but supposedly they have the densest air defence system in the world. The bulk of that is locally produced copies of cold war Soviet stuff. In the last decade though they’ve worked on a much upgraded system based on Chinese technology. It’s mobile and has a pretty state of the art radar system. How that would fare against the B1, B2 and F-117 is anybody’s guess.
(And let’s hope it stays a guess)
@numerobis
Can’t pull up a good source for the current numbers; a lot of news reports quote a 2012 Department of Defense demographics report. Five years is a long time but as of then:
Re: Active duty personnel
98,745 officers, 447,308 NCOs and enlisted personnel.
You mentioned enlisted men, though, and that does raise an interesting point about gender.
2012 numbers were 82,714 male officers, 16,035 female officers, 389,848 male enlisted, 57,460 female enlisted.
Would be interesting to see the 2017 numbers in comparison….will look more for a source later.
Here’s the 2012 report:
http://www.militaryonesource.mil/12038/MOS/Reports/2012_Demographics_Report.pdf
I’d love to seen 2016 election data of military voting broken down by ethnicity, gender, branch, and active vs. reserve components
So roughly 20% officers. They can vote for whoever they want and not make a huge difference in the overall force’s voting preference. I’m assuming you’re mostly teaching officers.
Good catch on enlisted *men*. Gah.
OT, but whack-job Sen. Ron Johnson is suggesting that John McCain’s failure to vote to blow up Obamacare may be a result of his brain tumor.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/gop-senator-mccains-tumor-may-have-affected-health-vote.html
@JS
Yeah, we have those too in Austria. They put tank-towers in the middle of forests overseeing mountain passes with enough shells for the next decade. Impossible to find by any weather (needlewoods swallow heat) but with a very good sight on the nearby roads. You just shoot two tanks and the whole convoy stops because the surrounding area is impossible to maneuver with vehicles.
@GrumpyOld SocialJusticeMangina:
Comments policy, thanks.
omg also there:
You can airbnb the home trump lived in until he was 4.
D: I hope no one trashes the place.
JS:
There’s a photo gallery here of former Swiss artillery and bunkers.
I’m sure it was… McCain got a LOT of grief for getting treatment for his health problems on the public dollar then going back to work and denying others the same.
Re: Conscription in NK
I heard somewhere that all North Koreans have 5-10 years of mandatory military training. If that’s true, I highly doubt they all become real reservian soldiers. That kind of training would be hugely expensive, and most of the able-bodied adult population couldn’t be mobilized anyway for practical reasons. They also couldn’t be all equipped in a way that makes any sense in a modern war.
Most likely, ordinary conscripts are just taught karate and obedience when they aren’t being used for whatever slave labor. Military is good for obedience training and propaganda infusion, and those must be in high demand in a country like NK.
It’s going to be an uphill battle for any invader.