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By David Futrelle
The “Involuntarily Celibate” Redditor who calls himself Insale thinks that all he and his fellow incels need is for the media to pay a little attention to the lack of a party in their collective pants. Once the women of the world see their sad plight, Insale thinks, they will presumably line up for the opportunity to cure incels of their perpetual celibacy.
If not, well, maybe Insale will go on a hunger strike until the government steps in to issue him a girlfriend.
Insale’s colleagues on the Incels subreddit have not exactly been impressed by his plan.
“You’ll just be a male anorexic,” declared one commenter. “Maybe they can send you to a treatment facility and you can get rejected by the anorexic Stacies.”
“They would just laugh at you,” added another.
On the exceedingly unlikely chance that Insale actually goes through with his plan and women are indeed inspired to sign up for his offer of love and intimacy, I would strongly suggest they take a look at his comment history first. Even a cursory examination suggests that Insale’s ongoing celibacy is not the result of a lack of media exposure. It might have a bit more to do with the fact that he likes to openly fantasize about bashing women’s heads in.
Here he is offering his opinion on a YouTube video in which a woman discusses her depression.
He had a similar response to a YouTube video of a different woman discussing her social anxiety.
Then again, he thinks all women with mental illness are faking it.
He’s also a strong believer in “discipline” for women.
![insale[S] 9 points 2 days ago Women need to be disciplined by a proper man.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/insale3-e1499451215317.png?ssl=1)
He’s also not a big fan of “femoids,” by which I think he means “feminists.”
![insale[S] 0 points 22 hours ago Femoids deserve to be punched and beat at any chance. They are not humans. Objects don't have emotions.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/insale8.png?ssl=1)
Naturally, he manages to see himself as the real victim.
![nsale[S] 5 points 2 days ago Society doesnt want me to be happy. I'm not good enough to be smiling. Society treats me like a subhuman.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/insale7.png?ssl=1)
Indeed, he thinks the government should step in on his behalf, hunger strike or no, by forcing women to have sex with him and other incels.
Nonetheless, he insists — at least when he is posting outside of the incel subreddit — that he is actually quite the gentleman.
![insale[S] -4 points 2 days ago Why don't I get partners? I respect women believe me. No one respects women more than I do.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/insale9.png?ssl=1)
Insale, like most of his fellow incels, vehemently rejects the idea of seeking professional help for his problems, dismissing therapy as a “scam” and defending his vile comments online as a form of therapeutic “venting.” In fact, even by his own admission, his exposure to the incel community online is making him angrier, more hateful, and less hopeful about the possibility of improving his life.
Indeed, several days ago he declared that the subreddit had “ruined” him.
![insale[S] 9 points 2 days ago I dont know man. The nature of female behavior that I've read on this sub has completely polluted my innocence. I used to believe girls were innocent, sensitive, lovable human beings until i stumbled upon this sub and started getting influenced. permalinksavecontextfull comments (107)reportgive gold I fucking hate this sub but I can't stop coming back to read more. It has ruined me. by insale in Incels [–]insale[S] 5 points 2 days ago I would do anything to suffer from amnesia and forget everything I've learned about female nature. I'd rather live a false reality of a blue pilled cuck than be miserable black pilled incel without any hope.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/insale10-e1499452861751.png?ssl=1)
The incel ideology pretty much poisons everything it touches. Media attention isn’t going to solve your problems, guys; the only way you can move forward is to free yourself of the incel community and its noxious, hateful, and self-destructive ideas.
FYI: Despite the references above to r/incels being banned by Reddit, it hasn’t been. Periodically the mods of the subreddit set it to “private.”
I’ve heard people use the term “sociopathic” to describe incel-ish thinking and behavior (using the term to describe attitudes and behavior, not to give a clinical diagnosis). They feel like they’ve missed out on something major in life and it’s other people’s fault, so their anger and hostility leads to the antisocial behavior, which can range from unpleasantness to committing crimes.
Sometimes a therapist can help the person see that those attitudes harm the person’s self-interest (though, again, it’s not a personality disorder or any mental disorder). But the person usually completely rejects any possibility of seeking professional help. Maybe there’s hope if a therapist knows to immediately pounce on the issue when some guy starts complaining about how women won’t have sex with him, at least if he’s had those attitudes for a short amount of time.
MGTOW Relationships…
Yep, to them it’s the woman who has the power to give the relationship to the man. It’s not a mutual thing at all. Most of them are convinced that their problems with relationships are all because women control the relationship switch (which is somehow “sex, or no sex”). And yet, they want women to be under their control in the relationship itself.
If they could get their heads around this essential conflict within their own desires, they wouldn’t be so gung-ho incel/MGTOW
I wouldn’t give this guy a dog, much less a girlfriend.
>>Have none of these guys EVER heard of a thing called “prostitutes”?
… and we praise #Ravenclaw for saying:
>>” I’ll have sex once I’ve made someone actually want to have sex with me.”
Curiouser and curiosuer.
Y.
@Gijoel: I don’t think I’d trust him with a pet rock.
@JS
I think many of them are aware of that internal conflict. What they oppose is the idea that their partner might have an agency, a will of her own and the capacity to make decisions. That’s why so many of them dream of cutting the ”nanny State” and prevent women from gaining alimonies in case of divorce. The idea is to negate the idea that a relationship might involve something else than a power relationship in which they have clearly and permanently the upper hand. What many want is not a girlfriend or a spouse, its a personnal use only prostitute. A normal prostitute isn’t enough because she can still say no and make a living without them.
Instead of suggesting prostitutes, It would be better to point out the many “girlfriend substitutes” that are readily available from shops that sell interestingly shaped rubber, leather, TPE, and silicone items. Even amazon.com sells such things, so perhaps they are popular?
ETA: not meaning erponovost was suggesting that.
Yzek,
What is your point?
It’s pretty clear that this Insale character doesn’t care whether or not women actually want to be with him. He’s hoping that the government will enslave women to provide incels with companionship, for fuck’s sake. They don’t want women to want to be with them. They want women to be subjugated. They resent women for being able to choose our sex partners. It’s not hypocritical for us to be nice to Hashtag Ravenclaw because he’s not at all comparable to the miscreants on r/incels.
Personally, I don’t think incels should go to sex workers though. What did any sex worker ever do to deserve a client who thinks she isn’t human?
Chaos-Engineer: I doubt they’ll be recreating the works of Marcus Aurelius* (among others) hateful whining on the internet is about as far from stoicism as I can imagine.
*Also because a common interpretation of what we have on Aurelius life is that he was asexual, fairly disgusted by sex and did it just to try to fulfill his duty of producing an heir…
I hope someone “does a news coverage for” Insale; then there will be more people to ‘point and laugh to him.’
It’s the perfect clickbait; draw in viewers with the ridiculousness of it, shock with the demand for a government-provided companion, then disgust everyone with his commenting history. Boom. $$$!
Would it kill them to use a fleshlight, lube and porn?
I think that Yzek protests to the line
which I can understand! In isolation it’s not a great line. In context, though, it’s pretty obviously just a poorly-worded form of “once I’ve got a relationship with someone who wants to have sex with me.” I can understand the distaste, and perhaps you should check out your phrasing, @#Ravenclaw! Not a great way to put it!
Yes, I’m pretty much laughing at the idea of someone going on a hunger strike until the government dips into the Strategic Girlfriend Reserve and ladles him out a companionship dispenser.
Don’t confuse MRAs with incels. They may seem interchangeable because they both hate women with every fiber and harp on women constantly and to the exclusion of all else, but they have some minuscule differences that put a tiny bit of daylight between them.
Agreed. You put it better than I did.
Oh, well. If he dies he dies.
I wonder if yzek would care to comment on Insale’s contradictory “Nobody respects women more than I do” and “I want to beat her skull in” and “I want to bash her head in”?
@Hashtag_Ravenclaw
Damn straight, although I’d add to that: who wants to sleep with a person who doesn’t feel love, respect, and/or lust towards you? Any one of those will suffice for me, but the absence of all of them? Ugh.*
I don’t think it’s “prideful” at all to be repulsed at the notion of pity sex.
*with the exception of sex work, obv, as it’s work and there’s a contract involved; ergo, a totally different scenario.
So, I was talking to my mom about a theoretical possibility: essentially, robot-powered socialism (without mentioning that last word because…it’s my mom). In the future, robots make all the things and do all the things, and humans are left to create as they will.
But would that imply sexbots provided for these folks? Would they even bother with them? Would they complain that it’s not a real woman, no matter how advanced they are?
Questions, questions–perhaps best left for the next thread.
Ah, like the Federation, where everything is done by “magic” and “repair and preventive maintenance” never happens. Might happen in a generation or two, but I doubt we’ll get to robot-powered socialism while politicians can’t even agree that “health care for everyone including poor people who can barely afford to live” is a good idea.
Perhaps the mid-term backlash (if it materializes) against Trump will help?
@JS
True. It’s all quite disappointing, but there’s no way one person can force it. That said…someone has to start it all.
I do actually feel some sympathy for this guy. Most “Incels” are your basic entitled, woman-hating dick. This one reads to me as having utterly out-of-control self-hatred and zero self-worth. He’s fallen in with a reeeeeeeeally bad crowd, and projecting his pain and rage in a way that will attract that crowd’s validation.
I’m not a mental health professional, nor do I play one on TV. But I’m a teacher who’s had a lot of experience with desperately self-hating adolescents, and that’s very much the vibe I’m getting.
I’m strongly reminded of my son’s meltdowns when he was little. He would begin with a standard toddler tantrum over some bullshit, but the emotion would spiral out of his control and suddenly he was smashing things, terrified and hysterical but unable to stop. Fortunately, he grew out of this as he learned to better manage his emotions.
I hope this kid gets the help he needs…otherwise this is definitely a spree-killer in the making.
That’s … not actually different from other incels.
He expects big government to take care of his needs but also probably voted Republican.
@Gijoel:
I wouldn’t give him a fleshlight. Or, ahem, his own writing hand. He’d be too dim to know what to do with it anyway.
MRA’s are only really “libertarian leaning.” They don’t like certain views right-libertarians have, like right-libertarian opposition to police states and restrictions on free speech.