To say that the Daily Stormer’s Nazi-in-chief Andrew Anglin is excited about Trump’s electoral victory is a bit of an understatement. Anglin, one of the most influential figures in the so-called alt-right, is so overjoyed by Trump’s success that he’s … encouraging his readers to harass depressed Hillary supporters until they kill themselves.
In a post on Wednesday (archived here), Anglin pointed his readers to dozens of tweets from Hillary supporters publicly declaring themselves scared by Trump’s win.
“You can troll these people and definitely get some of them to kill themselves,” Anglin happily tells his readers.
Just be like “it’s the only way you can prove to the racists that Hillary was right all along.”
“Mass Suicides After Trump Victory” would be a headline the media would play up, but all it would do would demoralize the left even further.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!
Our dear old friend Matt Forney is also quite excited at the prospect of Trump-related suicides.
https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/796528706617507840?s=07
https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/797130632266678272
https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/796241296126054400?s=07
This guy took things a bit further.
Unfortunately, those in charge of Twitter don’t really seem to care much that their platform has become the enabler of this sort of harassment. Forney, for example, only got a brief timeout after repeatedly harassing a Republican strategist who was and is a vocal critic of Trump.
https://twitter.com/basedmattforney/status/796970978698006528
Twitter, in other words, is giving alt-right harassers the tools to be the worst human beings they can possibly be.
@Weatherwax
Dsclaimer: I’m black
I’m not sure what the problem with the Cinemax analogy is. I’m sure there is one, there’s a problem with everything (not being facetious, everything is problematic in some kinda way). But it’s simple and easy to recite. It helped me explain things to my brother, so it works
I dunno, your analogy has too many moving parts. I’m tryna figure out who every single person on the bus represents. The other one has 1)consumer, 2)HBO, and 3)Cinemax. Basically, I’m lookin at it like in a ‘if it ain’t broke’ sorta way *shrug*
When I was a kid, Cinemax had all the soft porn. I remember watching enthralled with one hand on the remote just in case the parents came in.
A million times this. And thanks for phrasing it so well: I’m going to use it next time I come across a racist asshole claiming “but liberals are mean to MY side so both groups are bad!”
When I encounter the “both sides are bad” argument it’s usually meant to be a distraction from the issue initially talked about, for example a rise in hate crimes. The topic will be the hate crimes against minorities but there will always be some cockwomble in the comments going “well if you want to stop hate then you should look in the mirror!” Then they’ll manage to pull out a couple of comments where someone was a bit too angry and made an offensive generalisation about their side (ignoring the hundred or so comments that DON’T do it), or some Tweets they found, while being completely oblivious that they’re comparing some nasty words on the internet to people being literally attacked and intimidated in their day to day lives. Oh yeah, and that their fellow right-wingers spew out internet hate in much MUCH greater quantities. But noooooo, even if one or two liberals get a bit too emotional and sharp-worded then all of a sudden we’re the REAL antagonists, or hypocrites, or simply Just As Bad.
Fuck the “both sides are guilty” argument. Like you said, it’s either used by smugfucks trying to gain the moral high ground, or by douchebags who hate being confronted about the douchebaggery of their peers.
I’m sorry that came off as harshly as that did, @Dalillama. I didn’t mean to snap. We really don’t have at all the same politics as you do down there, though, and it hurts to be painted in the same brush as those monsters.
As an example, we had a trans rights bill floated in Alberta recently, ensuring access to the correct bathrooms in schools, etc. All of that.
It was denounced by the Christian Heritage party, a tiny fringe here. Our “Republican-lite” party, the Wildrose party and Official Opposition? Supported it gladly. The bill passed.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alberta-ndp-gvmts-new-trans-bill-puts-men-in-womens-bathrooms-critics
http://www.calgarypride.ca/press-releases/statement-passing-of-alberta-bill-7/
That’s our right-wing, deeply conservative Official Opposition party, guaranteeing the rights of trans men and women in this province. They’ve done some horrible things too – the PCs floated a bill making it legal for parents to pull their children out of classes teaching evolution for example – but it’s really not the same up here. Trump’s campaign has started us tilting in that terrible direction, but we’re fighting like hell against it. We want you guys to have the same safeties and freedoms we have, flawed and incomplete as they are for us.
Again, I’m really sorry. I know you’re hurting down there, and I do want to help however I can. I’m on your side in this.
Yawn
“A stone-cold shyster and criminal”? There were two candidates in the U.S. presidential election. One of them was a “stone-cold shyster and criminal”, the other was a woman.
So, Xam, who did you vote for?
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I just watched my cat watch a mouse eat out of her food dish, which was far, far more interesting than the trolls that showed up on this thread.
I didn’t vote Donald Dump, though? None of us did, I’d hope.
EDIT: I am being sarcastic, fyi…not about the not voting for Donald Dump tho.
I first read that as you watched your cat eat a mouse out of her food dish.
That little fact is probably still more interesting then what the trolls have posted
@Xam
>Gloats about the end of women
>Can’t even spell the name of your fuhrer correctly
You had a good 4 minutes to spellcheck, you have no excuse. I don’t know who you think I voted for. I know I voted for an establishment democrat even though I knew that because people where generally sick of establishment politics she’d likely lose, was because the alternative was either facilitating or supporting a person who if this was done in the 1950-70’s would advocate to Agent Orange my homeland to cinders. So yeah when he and his brownshirts keep wanting to glass the middle east, I get a little peeved.
Thanks Xam, I do enjoy bitches. Bitches rule! I like female dogs and I like opinionated women
I’m just getting tired of Trump supporters telling me I need to calm down. That I’m spreading misinformation. That I need to go carefully read the facts. That not all Trump supports are racist, misogynistic, xenophobic a-holes. Well, maybe you’re not, but you closed your eyes, held your nose and voted for someone who was anyway. And I have no intention of shutting up to keep such people from feeling uncomfortable. The marginalized are under no obligation to keep quiet because the privileged don’t like what they’re saying.
@xam:
Not all of us here are white, jackass. I am, but others aren’t. Also, could you write more cogently, please?
Wait, who is Truml? And what country is that person president of? Please, we need more of your great wise pronouncements Xam!
Maybe next you can tell us which states have been contacted about preparing locations for when the president-elect will bring back those manufacturing jobs! Or what he’ll replace the ACA with that is both better quality and lower cost! Perhaps explain why nearly everyone he’s so far brought on for his transition team looks suspiciously like…establishment politicians?
You’re probably too busy though, going around on the internet telling those SJWs and liberals they’re terrible for not wanting to be racist!
@sunnysombrera
The both sides are equally bad argument is definitely used as a distraction. I also think it’s an argument that people make because it let’s them sound like they are being neutral but are actually favoring the more bigoted side, in that they are asking liberals to be understanding of people who don’t respect their rights or humanity but they don’t ask bigots to be more understanding (I’m sorry if this is preaching to the choir and I’m repeating myself, oops)
@Acadia
I’m kind of tired of the argument that you can not be racist while supporting a flaming racist, especially with Donald Trump where he if he was running on policies they were really bad so if you weren’t voting for racism, what were you voting for?
@spark
No worries, you make a good point. The “both sides are bad” shtick indirectly (but deliberately) supports the bigots by trying to diminish those who oppose them – and only those who oppose them.
@sparkalipoo & sunnysombrera
Excellent points. Whenever someone tries the “both sides” argument, it is always targeted towards people who criticize or call out harmful behavior that falls in line with what people with unchecked privilege (everyday racists and sexists, for instance) don’t see as a big deal. Whether their attempt at neutrality is genuine or not, they will always paint the inherent prejudices of the majority as a ‘neutral’ stance on things.
It is very much a tone argument. Today, I saw an angry rant by someone at least claiming to having been a Clinton supporter, who blamed Trump’s victory on Clinton supporters not being sufficiently civil with Trump supporters and on “political correctness”. In his mind, now is the time to build bridges with bigots, because of course people who have demonstrated no interest in the lives and safety of marginalized people will want to have a civil discussion when earlier the dreadfully unreasonable leftists had shut down any discussion.
(Like, what discussion? Whether minorities should be granted full human rights, perhaps?)
Not surprisingly, he was a white man who ridiculed the concept of mansplaining and insisted that sexism had nothing to do with Trump’s victory. It was really stupid and very painful to watch, but it illustrated well how privileged people will always shame others for being angry, for not having patience with bigotry, and for not coddling bullies. For them, bullies deserve far more respectful treatment than the very people they are bullying.
Fuck. I shouldn’t go to bed angry, and just thinking of this pisses me off so much.
Oh for fucks’ sake. What a spoiled entitled crybaby. And I don’t care if I’m not “being sufficiently civil” here. What on earth does he consider to be sufficient civility? Adoring praise and respect? You know how words often take on different meanings with these people.
This brings up another point I’ve been pondering. You must have, by now, heard the sentiment rattled around that “right-wingers were upset at not being able to discuss concerns about immigration without being called “racist.” Does anyone else feel that this statement might not be entirely honest? We all know that bigots majorly downplay their behaviour when talking about it in retrospect. Did this “discussing concerns about immigration” take the form of: “There’s a whole load of Eastern Europeans that have moved to my small town and people feel funny about such a sudden large injection of unfamiliar culture, not to mention that some employers are favouring them so they can pay them less” or does it take the form of “we’ve been invaded by fucking Poles who steal our jobs and are ruining our local culture! The EU should never have expanded its borders to the east, they’re all thieves and criminals!”
Because one of those two will get the speaker labelled as racist, and the other won’t. Guess which sentiment tends to appear the most in the tabloids and is thus repeated by right-wingers.
This makes me wonder just what other “problems” they’ve wrongly projected or exaggerated in their heads.
(Apart from the financial and socio-economic problems on the Brexit side of things. While Trump supporters tended to be wealthy, there is a direct correlation over here between Leave voters and austerity measures/poor economic outlook. Nonetheless, they went about trying to fix it in the completely wrong way, but I blame the predatory demagogues that used them for their agenda more than I blame the voters themselves. That said, while I forgive most Leavers for voting Leave in the whirlwind of the campaign – especially since the Remain campaign was fucking abysmal – I hold less and less understanding towards them as time goes on, evidence stacks up that Brexit is a bad idea, and yet they STILL stand by their decision. Some of them have gone from passionate to dangerously delusional, given the ridiculous mental gymnastics and bad faith arguments they’ll perform just to assure themselves that they didn’t cock up on June 23rd).
ETA:: For the record. Be aware that some Trump supporters will claim they voted for Hillary make it look like they have more legitimacy when they say “Trump won and I accept it so you should too” or “Well this wouldn’t have happened had liberals not been so meeeeeaaaan to the alt-right” etc etc. Don’t fall for it. Judge them by their words.
The end of women? Oh NOnonono!! Not by far…..in fact, I believe that in the end, this will be our finest hour. We have to come together and figure out how to get this asshole and his pet (Prinze? Hell, I don’t remember) OUT of office, or whatever we need to do to keep women where they deserve to be and finally end up with an Egalitarian society that benefits ALL.
I have NO idea why my state went Red (Eastern Seaboard, that’s all I’m saying), but I admit, my horror and disgust is profound. Enough to say, oh HELL no, I’m NOT going anywhere you bullyboys. YOU guys go……go cede (sp?) if you need be, go to….hell, I don’t care, but to tell women and Hillary supporters to kill themselves? NO. AIN’T. GONNA. HAPPEN. I know there’s a policy on death threats and shit on here, but I don’t see how telling these people to take their own medicine applies. So, I’ll try to be a good little puppy and tell them–we’re up for the fight. There’s probably been a war between the sexes that would finally come to a battle a LONG time coming. We’re getting just as ready as you, Orange Hitler supporters. Hope you’re ready to play ball when the time comes. There, did I do ok, David? 😉
Oh yeah, David F, I’m not on Tweeter, and I can’t seem to access your address by clicking on your name; is there another option? Thanks much!
@sunnysombrera
Oh, yes. Oh, god, yes. This seems to be the number one issue all racists in my country have. “Why am I being called racist for saying that sandn#&%@£s should stay in their homes? I just said that their home country is probably completely safe, they just decided for no reason to come here to mooch off of our welfare and to rape *our* women, and suddenly I’m racist? Apparently the word doesn’t mean anything anymore! Also, I’m just stating my opinion*!”
Not to mention, like discussed above, any supposedly “neutral” person who’s concerned about this never blames the people who portend to be just “concerned about immigration” yet espouse blatantly racist and xenophobic rhetoric for having made it difficult or even impossible to discuss immigration in a non-hostile manner. Nope, it’s the liberals’ fault for not staying civil and giving the benefit of the doubt always and forever and for not treating people who start veering off into the “I’m not racist, but…” territory with kid gloves. We did, and the result is right in front of us. Anyone with a background of being bullied knows that being nice to bullies does nothing but emboldens them, since they now get positive feedback by acting like a bully.
Yes. As someone said earlier on this site, bigots are such delicate little flowers that any criticism of anything they say is considered a personal attack. A liberal can’t be sensitive and civil enough to a conservative, since the latter take anything that challenges their worldview as a personal attack (case in point: my mom, who thinks any time my brother or me so much as hint at the fact that we don’t believe in God, we are attacking her beliefs; of course, when she wants to discuss God as a factual being, she is just excercising her religious freedom). There is probably no one as sensitive as social conservatives who claim that the rest of the world is too sensitive.
*Another pet peeve of mine: Too many people say “[demographic] X is [bad thing] Y, I’m just stating my opinion!” They treat “opinion” as something sacred, and think adding a disclaimer will make the things they say both less serious (“lighten up!”) and more valid (“facts can be wrong, opinions are never wrong!”). They’re mangling the definition on purpose, since opinions are about personal preference, such as “I like the Manic Street Preachers” or “I think cherry-flavored candy tastes awful”, not about factual statements.
For instance, “My opinion is that Islam is a religion of hate” is not actually an opinion, since it contains a statement of fact: that Islam is a religion that is more hateful that certain other religions. A statement of fact needs to be rooted in actual facts, it can’t come from your gut feeling. You cannot make a statement of fact and escape criticism by claiming it’s just your opinion. It doesn’t work that way.
I hate that too. If you’re opinion is not backed up by facts and good logic than yes it can be wrong and also you’re opinion can make you an asshole–if you have hateful opinions than you’re a hateful person
My mom is like this. 98% of all our conversations end up with her screaming “IT’S MY OPINION!”
This one time she brought up one of the women who was sexually assaulted by one of our local candidates during the election. She asks me, “What do you think of this woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by such and such?”
I said, “It’s sure shit that dude sexually assaulted her.”
And then she starts going on about why now, why didn’t she speak up sooner. I tried listing some of the reasons why that might be, but she kept going on about how she should have just went to the police.
I even tried to show her some video and read her some articles explaining this shit because I knew she wasn’t going to listen to me, so why not get sources, yeah? Of course, she talks through the videos and interrupts me while I’m trying to read her stuff.
I don’t understand how she can come to me and ask me a question about my opinion on something and then yell at me for it for disagreeing with her opinion. Like, fucking hell, if you wanted to just rant at someone who will just nod along, post it on Facebook. I know everyone on there will agree with it because my family is shit.