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“Women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, or power,” Alt-right blogger declares

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Women destroying civilization

Most Men’s Rights Activists who wish women didn’t have the right to vote are savvy enough not to say so outright. Instead, they make up fairy tales about how men’s right to vote (at least here in the US) is contingent on men signing up for the draft.

This isn’t actually true — when the draft was abolished in 1973, men weren’t suddenly stripped of their voting rights. And while it is true that young men in the US have been required to register for the draft since 1980, there is no draft, nor will there be one at any point in the forseeable future, making registration about as much of a burden as signing a pledge that you won’t sprout wings and fly to the moon.

But not every anti-suffragette resorts to this sort of sophistry. Take, for example, the Alt-Rightster and woman-voting-opposer Axel Mckibbin.

In a recent post on his blog The Anti-puritan, McKibbin argues that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they’re a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards who will bring Western civilization crashing down around us if they aren’t stripped of their power, and soon.

In a post with the lovely title “Why women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, national budgets, or power,” Mckibbin sets forth his case against women.

It’s not a very original one. He starts off by contrasting the rational, data-driven approach he thinks men bring to complicated problems with the emotional, irrational “feminine method.” As he sees it,

Men argue or accommodate information they don’t like, women stifle upsetting discussion with emotional tyranny and censorship, or simply bury their heads in the sand.

This wouldn’t be much of a problem if women had no power whatsoever, but for some silly reason men gave women the vote — and the world has been going down the toilet ever since.

[S]ince women have achieved the right to vote, power has shifted from the masculine to the feminine, and thus, from logic to tantrums, from debate to censorship.

Tantrums, huh? I guess he’s right. I’ve never seen men throwing tantrums when people disagree with them.

Oh wait.

Ok, ok, ladies! Don’t throw a fit about this! Let’s just assume that fellow is an outlier, and move on.

Like the rational, data-driven dude he is, McKibbin then throws out a free-associational list of all the things he thinks the ladies are doing wrongly and badly and femininely. Naturally, he provides no evidence for any of his assertions.

It is not a coincidence that the most challenging academic disciplines and hazardous jobs are male dominated. Women are psychologically, not just physically, weaker than men. They choose the easy road in everything. They censor rather than debate honestly in women’s studies departments. They chose easy majors that pay less. They chose easy low paying jobs rather than dangerous/difficult high paying ones. They lie about wage gaps rather than take responsibility and do difficult work.

Then, without even a pause for a paragraph break, he essentially accuses women of being a bunch of lying false rape accusers.

They believe that regret constitutes rape when they could instead take responsibility for their sexual choices.

And then, again without a pause, he offers what is either a weird, out-of-place dig at Hillary Clinton … or a suggestion that all the women of the world routinely mishandle top-secret material.

The screw up classified emails rather than do a minimum of ass-covering. They hate white men who they disagree with rather than Muslims who rape them.

Dude, I’m pretty sure women do hate Muslims — and Christians, and Hindus, and atheists — who rape them. They’re just a little less likely to blame all Muslims (or Christians, or Hindus, or atheists) for the actions of some Muslims, or Christians or, well, you know the rest.

Whenever a female is given a choice, she will choose the cowardly, dishonest, low agency method rather than the courageous, honest, high agency masculine method.

Yes, this is an actual sentence a human being wrote.

She would rather have handouts than balanced budgets for her children’s futures. She would rather censor than be upset. She would rather falsely accuse men of rape than take responsibility for her sexual choices when drunk.

And he’s back on that false accusation thing.

She would rather get divorced than work through the rough patches. She would rather vote stupidly for Bernie than understand economics. She would rather have a 15 dollar minimum wage than a job.

Uh, maybe because raising the minimum wage won’t actually cost us jobs?

She would rather vote for the wage increase than study the issues.

Or maybe she already studied the issue?

She would rather have alimony and child-support than a lasting marriage.

Or perhaps she would simply like to get out of a miserable marriage. And would like the father of her children to continue to pay some of the costs of raising them.

 

As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males. It is designed for high agency individuals of relatively equal capacity and relatively high intelligence. It simply does not work for low agency people.

Ah, racism. It’s about time you showed up. It wouldn’t be a true alt-right rant without some racism to go with all this misogyny.

To a male the state is a series of threats, to a female a series of benefits. Women cannot be drafted (yet), they are arrested at much lower rates, and given shorter sentences for the same crimes.

Hey, he managed to work the non-existent draft into the equation!

Men are arrested much more often than women, it’s true; they also commit many more crimes. The best way to reduce the number of men arrested for bullshit charges? Get the cops to stop racial profiling. And end the war on drugs.

Women do tend to get somewhat shorter sentences for the same crimes. This is partly because the men committing the same crimes tend to have longer criminal records. It’s also because some male judges are more likely to treat women more leniently. Female judges tend to be more egalitarian in their sentencing.

Despite men being victims of domestic violence, only women have state-supported domestic violence shelters.

Most shelters get only a small portion of their funding from the government. Many if not most also provide shelter for men in the form of hotel vouchers. There’s nothing stopping Men’s Rights activists from building shelters for men. Aside from the fact that they’re Men’s Rights activists, and MRAs don’t actually do crap for men. 

Only men can be successfully prosecuted for raping women, despite the fact that women also rape men. Women get preferential treatment and custody in family courts. Men are essentially guilty until proven innocent in affirmative consent states.

None of this is true. Women are prosecuted — successfullyfor rape. It doesn’t happen a lot, but it happens, and will almost certainly happen more in the future.

While more women than men get custody, that’s not the result of bias. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it’s because that’s what the divorcing parents agree to out of court. When men do go to court to ask for custody they often get it.

“Affirmative consent” laws apply to colleges, not criminal law, and they actually go a long way to clearing up anxieties about consent between partners. If you get an enthusiastic “yes” from a partner who is’t wasted before having sex, well, you know you have consent.

Men are taxed at higher rates.

If they earn more, yes.

Women receive benefits that men don’t. Since only women get custody, only women qualify for welfare. Even WIC means Women Infant Children program.

WIC is designed to provide assistance so poor kids don’t starve to death. Despite the name, WIC provides food vouchers and nutrition classes to men responsible for kids getting fed. True, it doesn’t provide cis men with the same benefits it provides pregnant and breastfeeding women, but that’s because cis men do not get pregnant.

The state treats males as disposable in war, letting them die homeless on the streets while paying females with five baby daddies to get pregnant at the taxpayer expense and receive food stamps.

Yes, it’s terrible that the government provides minimal assistance to keep babies and young children from starving. A quick Google search would have told you that men and women without children can also get food stamps.

It attacks marriage and men with alimony and child-support. The state is nothing but threats for men and benefits for women.

You know, rich women can end up paying alimony just like rich men. Fathers raising kids are entitled to child support from their exes, just as mothers are. And again, child support is designed to support children.

This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets. Even if a woman possesses the courage to engage with uncomfortable facts she still has a disincentive to defend her national interest.

Er, what? Is it somehow in our national interest to let kids starve?

Combine with low agency she works to destroy her society, letting in rapugees, voting for handouts, creating guilty until innocent rape laws, censoring males in the workplace, filing bogus sexual harassment charges, and on and on. Here, low agency and incentives make her nothing but a threat to civilization.

Or at least to that portion of civilization that thinks it’s hilarious to make awful sexist jokes at work.

Her right to vote is a right to destroy other’s rights with redistribution, censorship, and false rape accusations, to bring in hostile raping refugees while attacking the conservative men who defend her as racists, even though Islam is not a race!

Yeah, it’s just a big coincidence that so many of the people the alt-right hate tend to be black or brown.

She will get a Muslim America in the bargain for her efforts. Women will never take equal responsibility, have equal agency, or be equally courageous. Strip them of power before they destroy civilization.

Honestly, the biggest threat to civilization right now is named Donald Trump, and women are a good deal more likely to vote against him than men.

I say, let’s keep women’s suffrage, at least for now.

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Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@ Blerkathon
May I ask, what made you first notice this? (Just curious, sorry if I’m too nosy.)

I’m personally not sensitive about talking about myself in an objective sense because I’m capable of dealing with the kind of people that like to other people like they are objects. That and I like talking about the “nuts and bolts” of brain science.

It’s a similar story to lots of other people that had something traumatic happen to them that forced them to face and come to terms with themselves. It’s a process I’m still going through. Long story short, an adult diagnosis of Tourette’s Syndrome and ADHD led to the loss of a career in the biological sciences. That loss and the unsuccessful nature of attempts at finding a new career have shattered me in many ways.

One of the things that has motivated me was the ability to teach myself brain science and read the primary literature as a hobby. There was this collection of papers that showed cognitive advantages associated with TS, and current and historical examples of people who either are using TS related characteristics, or were important for reasons that are conceptually related to TS cognitive enhancements.

Now I’m a person who is actively trying to use what he thinks nature gave him, and use it responsibly (I even think I know how it relates to anthropology and am emailing people about it). I’ve also found the same kind of information about things like autism, ADHD, even depression and schizophrenia. Lots of things we think of as illness is perfectly normal and natural, even if it’s not meant to feel good and should not be stigmatized or used by others as a tool.

That’s the short version, and in a lot of ways I’m still spinning my wheels when it comes to how to move forward. The advantages nature and nurture gave me are not really things that are useful in the biological sciences as it exists right now.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Oops, my first sentence was supposed to be a quote from Blerkathon.

Dalillama
Dalillama
10 years ago

@Vikki P
Ok, I have read it; I just didn’t recall that line, which is a shame because it’s an excellent one.

tricyclist
tricyclist
10 years ago

@nequam

@magnesium: Hell, I wouldn’t be sad if they lost the right to breed, but then watching the kerfuffle over THIS is putting me in a very cranky mood.

Fuck THAT shit all the way to hell.

It seems every time I read something about the gaming community and their treatment of women – it’s like falling down the next level of the rabbit warren, and there seems to be no bottom. Combined with the implicit acceptance of that by everyone in authority: It is utterly mind blowing.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
10 years ago

@ Dalillama

Oh good – yes, it is an excellent line, and works so beautifully in that particular scene.

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
10 years ago

Vox Day has just come out and admitted that he has had sex with women who didn’t consent to it. IOW, he is a rapist.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

maghavan | April 5, 2016 at 8:02 am
PREACH IT BROTHER!

He even left out things females do:

They use the same knife for both the PB & the J and leave peanut butter traces in the jelly jar and jelly traces in the Peanut Butter jar!

http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce07b8c-5141/k2-_fed46072-fe95-4d75-a368-f51d65d10b9a.v1.jpg

Where are your Gods now?

EDIT: @Hu’s On First: Holy shit. I’m almost surprised I’m not surprised.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
10 years ago

@ Hu

If the definition of rape is stretched so far to include women who have not given consent

For once, I am speechless!

A Space Alpaca
A Space Alpaca
10 years ago

/silently gapes at screen

So if that’s a ‘stretched’ definition of rape… what exactly is HIS definition of rape?

Is it just being grabbed on the street and violently forced? Or does that still not count so long as it’s a white guy doing it?

I just… what?

maghavan
maghavan
10 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention – Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Actually, you just proved his point. Some man got so annoyed with women cross-contaminating PB & J in the FEMININE, LOW AGENCY way (of using the same knife for both) that he decided to beat them at their own game and mix the two in a RATIONAL, HIGH AGENCY, MASCULINE way! Look at those clean, aesthetically pleasing, lines of Peanut Butter and Jelly. Look at their sublime symmetry … the way they reflect the Golden Mean. Clearly the work of a true ALPHA!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
10 years ago

I wish I could say I’m surprised about what Vox Day has written, but I’m not. What a nasty little wanksplat he is.

Michael P
Michael P
10 years ago

I suppose it’s too much to hope that Beale has admitted to a crime for which the statute of limitations hasn’t run.

A Space Alpaca
A Space Alpaca
10 years ago

I honestly don’t understand why rape has a statute of limitations in the USA (not sure about elsewhere, Canada doesn’t I believe?)

Just seems like another rape apologia ‘we don’t want to ruin mens lives for something they did decades ago!’ crap to me.

Michael P
Michael P
10 years ago

Yeah, I don’t get it either.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
10 years ago

Considering that it’s Vox, he probably only thinks it’s rape when a black or brown man grabs a white woman in a dark alley. A white man “having sex with a woman who has not given consent” is just asserting his property rights.

Was it Vox or Heartiste who recently claimed that only black and Hispanic men rape these, and if a white man is accused of rape, it’s automatically a false accusation? I have trouble keeping those two straight. All neo-Nazis look and sound pretty much the same to me.

Moocow
Moocow
10 years ago

So if that’s a ‘stretched’ definition of rape… what exactly is HIS definition of rape?

Ooh! I know this one!

According to Vox and the worst people on the internet, It’s only rape if

-The perpetrator is masked
-The rape occurred in a dark alleyway at nighttime
-The perpetrator was hiding in a bush
-The perpetrator jumped out of said bush no more than 2 minutes prior to the act.
-The victim was wearing clothing on the ‘appropriate clothing for women’ list.
-The perpetrator is non-white
-The victim is white
-The perpetrator has never met or had any sort of social contact with the victim prior to the act.

Anti-feminists must be the world’s leading producers in straw men.

Edit: Hah, ninja’d by WWTH in almost every way.

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
10 years ago

You know after seeing more and more of the mra leaders just up and removing any and all pretense in their bigotry partly because of trump, with many prominent figures being just as much of con men as many concluded, is there an end trend to this? Or will it after trump the whole thing will reduce back to a state before Trump gave open bigots a voice?

Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin briefly known as Nady
Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin briefly known as Nady
10 years ago

Hey Brony.

I’m sorry to hear about your problems with your Tourettes and ADHD. I have Dyspraxia so I can understand a little bit. (It affects my motor skills. Constantly covers in bruises.) I have a theory that makes me feel better about it. (Not scientifically proven or anything.)
I read recently that our brains are actually getting smaller. (Not in a bad way. Our neural pathways are getting faster at sending signals. That’s what I got from it anyway.) So I like to think that we are becoming Humans 2.0, but as with all new technology, you get glitches AKA the various brain disorders. Without the glitches, you don’t need to improve on the design, thus you don’t make a more efficient system, no need to make endless improvements and the design gets stagnate. So I like to think that we’re an important step on the next stage of humanity!
It could be completely wrong but I feel its good to put a positive spin on things. 🙂

bluecat
bluecat
10 years ago

Well, if we’re all agreed that

a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards

should never be allowed to vote – and they certainly sound like terrible people who would probably make bad choices – who can we think of that is providing plenty of evidence that they fit this description?

But seriously, here we are, it’s 2016, and we’re debating female suffrage.

I’d ask if there are any other groups of fellow citizens dude wants to disenfranchise, groups who might not have enjoyed suffrage quite as long as folk like him, but I have a feeling I can guess the answer. It’s not the 40-shilling copyholder.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
10 years ago

@Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin,

Gosh, your nick is so much misandry! I like it :3

I don’t know so much about the specifics of dyspraxia, Tourettes or ADHD (one of my research team is working really hard on ADHD, though!), but you are right to put a positive spin on it. Brain evolution is fascinating and very, very glitchy. It’s not so much that the brain is getting smaller (though that’s true, i think!), more that it can’t really make any broad-scale changes in how it works. The old ‘lizard-brain’ and ‘monkey-brain’ systems still exist, but they change in what they do and how they interact with each other.

Those changes in interaction become more and more complex, and those complexities introduce ‘glitches’ that can be neutral, good or bad. Dyspraxia isn’t good :\ but that same mechanism is what gave us language and fire and tool use! Further, the mechanisms that cause dyspraxia may become positive in the future, who knows? Evolution’s a funny pickle and it’s impossible to say what is in store for us in the future. It’s exciting to think about, and I’m gad you look at your situation that way 🙂 All the best.

Bina
10 years ago

So if that’s a ‘stretched’ definition of rape… what exactly is HIS definition of rape?

Is it just being grabbed on the street and violently forced? Or does that still not count so long as it’s a white guy doing it?

If it’s a white guy doing it, he’s probably doing it only because he’s a poor oppressed incel, and therefore being forced by hypergamous sluts to force himself upon them. So it totally doesn’t count.

(Ugh. Just gave myself a headache stepping into those idiots’ narrow braincases.)

Saphira
Saphira
10 years ago

They’re just so desperate to hang on to that white cis het male privilege card while they still can in a changing world, aren’t they?

I got into an argument the other day with one who came into a discussion about how the arrogance of some men who seem to think that random women on the street dress sexy just for them. His immediate comment to that was, “Well, I’ve never known any man who seriously believes that. ” I noted his comment was irrelevant in light of the conversation and it seemed to me he said it just to invalidate all the opinions of the women in the thread who have experienced street harassment. It just went downhill from there and I exited the conversation after he accused me of being “just another angry, crazy feminist.”

I’m tired of these privileged assholes who think their opinion on women’s issues is so much more important than the experiences of the women who live with everyday misogyny.

Kat
Kat
10 years ago

@Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

It’s actually quite sad and I wish them the best in becoming better people, but I will do what I need to do to deal with behavior that hurts other people.

Yes! Thank you. Me too!

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
10 years ago

@Kat
I got some good news that will make guys like McKibbin seethe with rage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-paid-family-leave_us_5702ae75e4b0daf53af042b7

Favored by people, only costs a dollar more and 12 weeks paid vacation. Now hopefully this is a sign that other states and perhaps the federal level would catch up to the rest of the world.

Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin briefly known as Nady
Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin briefly known as Nady
10 years ago

@scildfreja
I’m considered far more intelligent than IQ tests show. I have a good sense of humour and can write good plays due to it. (I’m part of an am-dram group.) My literature score is very high. I like my overcompensations. Though sometimes I feel it would have been sooner if I was a man. :p

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