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“Women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, or power,” Alt-right blogger declares

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Women destroying civilization

Most Men’s Rights Activists who wish women didn’t have the right to vote are savvy enough not to say so outright. Instead, they make up fairy tales about how men’s right to vote (at least here in the US) is contingent on men signing up for the draft.

This isn’t actually true — when the draft was abolished in 1973, men weren’t suddenly stripped of their voting rights. And while it is true that young men in the US have been required to register for the draft since 1980, there is no draft, nor will there be one at any point in the forseeable future, making registration about as much of a burden as signing a pledge that you won’t sprout wings and fly to the moon.

But not every anti-suffragette resorts to this sort of sophistry. Take, for example, the Alt-Rightster and woman-voting-opposer Axel Mckibbin.

In a recent post on his blog The Anti-puritan, McKibbin argues that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they’re a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards who will bring Western civilization crashing down around us if they aren’t stripped of their power, and soon.

In a post with the lovely title “Why women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, national budgets, or power,” Mckibbin sets forth his case against women.

It’s not a very original one. He starts off by contrasting the rational, data-driven approach he thinks men bring to complicated problems with the emotional, irrational “feminine method.” As he sees it,

Men argue or accommodate information they don’t like, women stifle upsetting discussion with emotional tyranny and censorship, or simply bury their heads in the sand.

This wouldn’t be much of a problem if women had no power whatsoever, but for some silly reason men gave women the vote — and the world has been going down the toilet ever since.

[S]ince women have achieved the right to vote, power has shifted from the masculine to the feminine, and thus, from logic to tantrums, from debate to censorship.

Tantrums, huh? I guess he’s right. I’ve never seen men throwing tantrums when people disagree with them.

Oh wait.

Ok, ok, ladies! Don’t throw a fit about this! Let’s just assume that fellow is an outlier, and move on.

Like the rational, data-driven dude he is, McKibbin then throws out a free-associational list of all the things he thinks the ladies are doing wrongly and badly and femininely. Naturally, he provides no evidence for any of his assertions.

It is not a coincidence that the most challenging academic disciplines and hazardous jobs are male dominated. Women are psychologically, not just physically, weaker than men. They choose the easy road in everything. They censor rather than debate honestly in women’s studies departments. They chose easy majors that pay less. They chose easy low paying jobs rather than dangerous/difficult high paying ones. They lie about wage gaps rather than take responsibility and do difficult work.

Then, without even a pause for a paragraph break, he essentially accuses women of being a bunch of lying false rape accusers.

They believe that regret constitutes rape when they could instead take responsibility for their sexual choices.

And then, again without a pause, he offers what is either a weird, out-of-place dig at Hillary Clinton … or a suggestion that all the women of the world routinely mishandle top-secret material.

The screw up classified emails rather than do a minimum of ass-covering. They hate white men who they disagree with rather than Muslims who rape them.

Dude, I’m pretty sure women do hate Muslims — and Christians, and Hindus, and atheists — who rape them. They’re just a little less likely to blame all Muslims (or Christians, or Hindus, or atheists) for the actions of some Muslims, or Christians or, well, you know the rest.

Whenever a female is given a choice, she will choose the cowardly, dishonest, low agency method rather than the courageous, honest, high agency masculine method.

Yes, this is an actual sentence a human being wrote.

She would rather have handouts than balanced budgets for her children’s futures. She would rather censor than be upset. She would rather falsely accuse men of rape than take responsibility for her sexual choices when drunk.

And he’s back on that false accusation thing.

She would rather get divorced than work through the rough patches. She would rather vote stupidly for Bernie than understand economics. She would rather have a 15 dollar minimum wage than a job.

Uh, maybe because raising the minimum wage won’t actually cost us jobs?

She would rather vote for the wage increase than study the issues.

Or maybe she already studied the issue?

She would rather have alimony and child-support than a lasting marriage.

Or perhaps she would simply like to get out of a miserable marriage. And would like the father of her children to continue to pay some of the costs of raising them.

 

As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males. It is designed for high agency individuals of relatively equal capacity and relatively high intelligence. It simply does not work for low agency people.

Ah, racism. It’s about time you showed up. It wouldn’t be a true alt-right rant without some racism to go with all this misogyny.

To a male the state is a series of threats, to a female a series of benefits. Women cannot be drafted (yet), they are arrested at much lower rates, and given shorter sentences for the same crimes.

Hey, he managed to work the non-existent draft into the equation!

Men are arrested much more often than women, it’s true; they also commit many more crimes. The best way to reduce the number of men arrested for bullshit charges? Get the cops to stop racial profiling. And end the war on drugs.

Women do tend to get somewhat shorter sentences for the same crimes. This is partly because the men committing the same crimes tend to have longer criminal records. It’s also because some male judges are more likely to treat women more leniently. Female judges tend to be more egalitarian in their sentencing.

Despite men being victims of domestic violence, only women have state-supported domestic violence shelters.

Most shelters get only a small portion of their funding from the government. Many if not most also provide shelter for men in the form of hotel vouchers. There’s nothing stopping Men’s Rights activists from building shelters for men. Aside from the fact that they’re Men’s Rights activists, and MRAs don’t actually do crap for men. 

Only men can be successfully prosecuted for raping women, despite the fact that women also rape men. Women get preferential treatment and custody in family courts. Men are essentially guilty until proven innocent in affirmative consent states.

None of this is true. Women are prosecuted — successfullyfor rape. It doesn’t happen a lot, but it happens, and will almost certainly happen more in the future.

While more women than men get custody, that’s not the result of bias. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it’s because that’s what the divorcing parents agree to out of court. When men do go to court to ask for custody they often get it.

“Affirmative consent” laws apply to colleges, not criminal law, and they actually go a long way to clearing up anxieties about consent between partners. If you get an enthusiastic “yes” from a partner who is’t wasted before having sex, well, you know you have consent.

Men are taxed at higher rates.

If they earn more, yes.

Women receive benefits that men don’t. Since only women get custody, only women qualify for welfare. Even WIC means Women Infant Children program.

WIC is designed to provide assistance so poor kids don’t starve to death. Despite the name, WIC provides food vouchers and nutrition classes to men responsible for kids getting fed. True, it doesn’t provide cis men with the same benefits it provides pregnant and breastfeeding women, but that’s because cis men do not get pregnant.

The state treats males as disposable in war, letting them die homeless on the streets while paying females with five baby daddies to get pregnant at the taxpayer expense and receive food stamps.

Yes, it’s terrible that the government provides minimal assistance to keep babies and young children from starving. A quick Google search would have told you that men and women without children can also get food stamps.

It attacks marriage and men with alimony and child-support. The state is nothing but threats for men and benefits for women.

You know, rich women can end up paying alimony just like rich men. Fathers raising kids are entitled to child support from their exes, just as mothers are. And again, child support is designed to support children.

This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets. Even if a woman possesses the courage to engage with uncomfortable facts she still has a disincentive to defend her national interest.

Er, what? Is it somehow in our national interest to let kids starve?

Combine with low agency she works to destroy her society, letting in rapugees, voting for handouts, creating guilty until innocent rape laws, censoring males in the workplace, filing bogus sexual harassment charges, and on and on. Here, low agency and incentives make her nothing but a threat to civilization.

Or at least to that portion of civilization that thinks it’s hilarious to make awful sexist jokes at work.

Her right to vote is a right to destroy other’s rights with redistribution, censorship, and false rape accusations, to bring in hostile raping refugees while attacking the conservative men who defend her as racists, even though Islam is not a race!

Yeah, it’s just a big coincidence that so many of the people the alt-right hate tend to be black or brown.

She will get a Muslim America in the bargain for her efforts. Women will never take equal responsibility, have equal agency, or be equally courageous. Strip them of power before they destroy civilization.

Honestly, the biggest threat to civilization right now is named Donald Trump, and women are a good deal more likely to vote against him than men.

I say, let’s keep women’s suffrage, at least for now.

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Scildfreja
Scildfreja
10 years ago

@mockingbird,

That’s right! It drives me crazy when people talk about emotions as if they are interfering with rationality. Emotions are the *bedrock* of rationality! Sure, it’s a pretty shaky foundation, but it’s all we’ve got. Better to acknowledge the fact and do our best to account for it than just pretend that we’re perfect rational actors.

Our ability to recall information and translate it into actions and plans requires value judgement. That’s emotion’s job.

(and other messy neurotransmitter stuff, too, but yeah.)

calmdown
calmdown
10 years ago

while attacking the conservative men who defend her

Do these guys really think they are defending women? Oh wait, they are really defending what they view as their property (all the white vaginas in the world)from the evil brown people trying to cuck them. So they can dehumanize both minorities and women and still maintain this righteous af attitude in the name of “protecting” women from (insert evil civilization destroying scapegoat of the week).

Dave King
Dave King
10 years ago

“about as much of a burden as signing a pledge that you won’t sprout wings and fly to the moon.”

Goddammit.

There goes my Saturday night.

EJ (The Other One)
10 years ago

@NickNameNick:
Peter Thiel is something of a bad-idea-detector: You can tell something is silly by whether Peter Thiel believes in it.

@calmdown:
I think they do want to defend her viewpoint as well, so long as she agrees with them. Women have value if used as mouthpieces for their beliefs, in a #NotYourShield-ian way. Naturally, if these women ever step out of line in any way then they’ll turn on them in a heartbeat.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@mockingbird
This is where it gets a little weird, and I’m going to try to give an accurate impression of the field. What does not help is that I technically have emotions other people don’t, depending on how emotion is being defined (In this case “internal sensations that accompany action, perception, cognition and consciousness”, I’m sure other people have stuff I don’t) and I’m starting to think that may be part of the social confusion. “Emotion” is often horribly defined and translating for articles and reporters can get messy because most people see “emotion” as the feelings that come along with a whole package.

The link in your article talking about the specific brain damage was not there anymore, but I found this and it cites one of Damasio’s other books, in this case “Descartes’ Error“. The wikipedia link includes some information on his “somatic marker theory” that describes the self as being made of three selves including:
* a “primordial self” that generates primordial feelings (feelings associated with general body status and your relationship with it, analogous to interoception). It’s the oldest evolutionairly-speaking and deeply embedded in processes.
*a “core self” that generates core feelings (feelings associated with your sensory connections to the outside world and how you are related to it, analogous to exteroception). No as old as the primordial self-but still extremely old.
*an “autobiographical self” that generates autobiographical feelings (feelings associated with past experience and future plans). Fairly new evolutionairly-speaking
The three work together to create what we feel and experience and how it shapes us. The body and it’s status is always a part of our experience in literal or simulated form.
(Frankly this information makes a lot of stuff about sex and gender issues make sense to me, gender orientation vs. gender expression and the new diversity in introversion/extroversion seems to line up with this.)

Frontal damage (like Phinias Gage) was what Damasio was talking about has the effect that it does because frontal regions of cerebral cortex (the outer covering-structures of the brain) contain instruction sets for what you do based on what you perceive. Other regions put together what you perceive (occipital, parietal), or tell you what it means to you (temporal). So depending on what you mean by “emotion” (just internal sensations vs. sensation+perception sensitivity changes+cognition changes + action choice changes), Elliot (the person with frontal damage) still had feelings, but missed parts of emotion.

Here is a fun paper that helps to see how researchers are talking about these things right now. I came across it because I’m interested in things like “social reflexes” since I had to develop the skills to control intense social urges and impulses.
Prospects for direct social perception: a multi-theoretical integration to further the science of social cognition.”

shay simmons
shay simmons
10 years ago

I smile every time I read one of these “women should not have the vote” diatribes , reveling in the fact that these angry, angry people have absolutely no say in the matter. And they know it.

Paws
Paws
10 years ago

Angry pissant: we use logic and smarts while teh womenz uses emotions.

Says the same people who have to lie and bullshit history just to make women look inferior. Also, I count anger being an emotion. So many emotional men out there over women being allowed to vote. So sensitive. So easily offended.

calmdown
calmdown
10 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)

Ah, so the only women who they would let have rights are the kind that think they shouldn’t have rights to begin with, therefore why would they need them? Those are some flawless logicks they are using there. No wonder they are so proud of their reasoning skills. (But on some level it’s working. It’s pretty disheartening to see how many FeMRAs will actually parrot that we should take away women’s right to vote, but always seem to think it somehow wouldn’t apply to them.)

Catalpa
Catalpa
10 years ago

I find it incredibly ironic that these guys scream about FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS in the exact same breath that they claim that all immigrant, refugee, and muslim men are rapists.

calmdown
calmdown
10 years ago

Well, as usual they are only false accusations when they are against white men.

kale
kale
10 years ago

I tend to think men who are obsessively hateful towards people who advocate against rape, rape victims, and the concept of consent are…. highly suspect.

lightcastle
lightcastle
10 years ago

Since others handled the draft thing, I thought I’d just pop in to remind people that Canada has an affirmative standard of consent. Somehow, this hasn’t resulted in an avalanche of rape arrests.

katz
10 years ago

As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males.

As far as American democracy goes, that’s pretty much true. But I don’t think that’s exactly what he meant.

lightcastle
lightcastle
10 years ago

@Scildfreja – Hasn’t the president of Wyrd gone on record that they have repeatedly asked for copies of the death threats and harassment so they can fire the people involved or cooperate with authorities and the woman has refused to provide anything?

(I seem to recall seeing something about this earlier.)

Lisssa
Lisssa
10 years ago

You have to love the generalizations he’s charging womankind with, it doesn’t seem to occur to him that there are female republican voters; but because women tend lean more left on average that makes us a bunch of terrible, dishonest, leaches who spend our Saturday nights falsely accusing men of rape. Basically, women=bad and men=good.

Also the Bernie example was weird since Bernie Sanders actually has more support among men than he does women.

leigh summers
leigh summers
10 years ago

TIL the wage gap is a myth but men pay more taxes because misandry?
Not sure how that works, but my irrational female brain is probably too emotional to comprehend budgets and stuff.

TARDIS with a Hat
10 years ago

I love how he keeps complaining about women supporrting CENSORSHIP (which I think just means what it usually means, that he tried to say his gross opinions in public and women called him on being real gross) yet he’s the one who think women shouldn’t have freedom of speech

Pen
Pen
10 years ago

…democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males. It is designed for high agency individuals of relatively equal capacity and relatively high intelligence…

Whereas reality says that white males have been with us for millenia and (limited) democracy has been a form of government practiced by some of them for a fraction of that time. Aristocracy has actually been the ‘natural’ and most common form of government in Europe for the last two millenia, although it was also the ‘natural’ form of government throughout most of the old world. America, in particular, shows clear traces of the same influence. In this reality, a majority of white males have spent most of their time involved in grinding repetitive labor, in which they had no agency whatsoever and any intelligence they might have possessed was not required of them. The same, of course, applies to women.

Playonwords
Playonwords
10 years ago

So, according to this guy, men don’t act under the impulse of emotions …

So no guy has ever gone to hospital after saying, “Here, hold my beer and watch this … ”

And, of course, the claims this Axel Mckibbin makes about women are completely rational and unemotional despite the claims being utterly without merit.

reimalebario
reimalebario
10 years ago

Man, if I never see the whole disingenuous “Islam isn’t a race so hating muslims doesn’t make me a racist!” claim again, it’ll be too soon.

There’s no such thing, scientifically, as ‘race’. Not only is ‘Muslim’ not a race, nor is ‘white’, ‘black’, hispanic’ or ‘jew’. That doesn’t mean there’s no such thing as racism.

And it’s one of those things that’s always postulated with the sort of idiotic triumphant-ness of somebody convinced that they’ve just utterly preemptively destroyed any conceivable counter-argument. “I WINS ALL THE LOGICS!!!”

|:-P

Kat
Kat
10 years ago

@mockingbird

This reminded me of something: I’ve read that people who have brain injuries that have rendered them incapable of emotion can no longer effectively make decisions. They’ll spend forever rationally weighing the pros and cons of little choices without coming to conclusions.

Citation needed, obviously, but I honestly have no idea where I saw it.

I heard about that in a RadioLab story. I think that this is the link (can’t guarantee it, though):

http://www.radiolab.org/story/91642-overcome-by-emotion/#commentlist

Makroth
Makroth
10 years ago

Mckibbin sounds like he’s in love with the smell of his own farts.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
10 years ago

“rapugees” = refugee rappers?

I’m all for it. Most of our good rappers are refugees or the children of refugees.

Moggie
Moggie
10 years ago

You could refute this guy’s rant with two words: Trump supporters. We’ve all spent months reading ill-informed and emotional comments by Trump supporters, most of whom are men. The term “low information voters” has never seemed more apt – and there are millions of the buggers.