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“Women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, or power,” Alt-right blogger declares

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Women destroying civilization

Most Men’s Rights Activists who wish women didn’t have the right to vote are savvy enough not to say so outright. Instead, they make up fairy tales about how men’s right to vote (at least here in the US) is contingent on men signing up for the draft.

This isn’t actually true — when the draft was abolished in 1973, men weren’t suddenly stripped of their voting rights. And while it is true that young men in the US have been required to register for the draft since 1980, there is no draft, nor will there be one at any point in the forseeable future, making registration about as much of a burden as signing a pledge that you won’t sprout wings and fly to the moon.

But not every anti-suffragette resorts to this sort of sophistry. Take, for example, the Alt-Rightster and woman-voting-opposer Axel Mckibbin.

In a recent post on his blog The Anti-puritan, McKibbin argues that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they’re a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards who will bring Western civilization crashing down around us if they aren’t stripped of their power, and soon.

In a post with the lovely title “Why women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, national budgets, or power,” Mckibbin sets forth his case against women.

It’s not a very original one. He starts off by contrasting the rational, data-driven approach he thinks men bring to complicated problems with the emotional, irrational “feminine method.” As he sees it,

Men argue or accommodate information they don’t like, women stifle upsetting discussion with emotional tyranny and censorship, or simply bury their heads in the sand.

This wouldn’t be much of a problem if women had no power whatsoever, but for some silly reason men gave women the vote — and the world has been going down the toilet ever since.

[S]ince women have achieved the right to vote, power has shifted from the masculine to the feminine, and thus, from logic to tantrums, from debate to censorship.

Tantrums, huh? I guess he’s right. I’ve never seen men throwing tantrums when people disagree with them.

Oh wait.

Ok, ok, ladies! Don’t throw a fit about this! Let’s just assume that fellow is an outlier, and move on.

Like the rational, data-driven dude he is, McKibbin then throws out a free-associational list of all the things he thinks the ladies are doing wrongly and badly and femininely. Naturally, he provides no evidence for any of his assertions.

It is not a coincidence that the most challenging academic disciplines and hazardous jobs are male dominated. Women are psychologically, not just physically, weaker than men. They choose the easy road in everything. They censor rather than debate honestly in women’s studies departments. They chose easy majors that pay less. They chose easy low paying jobs rather than dangerous/difficult high paying ones. They lie about wage gaps rather than take responsibility and do difficult work.

Then, without even a pause for a paragraph break, he essentially accuses women of being a bunch of lying false rape accusers.

They believe that regret constitutes rape when they could instead take responsibility for their sexual choices.

And then, again without a pause, he offers what is either a weird, out-of-place dig at Hillary Clinton … or a suggestion that all the women of the world routinely mishandle top-secret material.

The screw up classified emails rather than do a minimum of ass-covering. They hate white men who they disagree with rather than Muslims who rape them.

Dude, I’m pretty sure women do hate Muslims — and Christians, and Hindus, and atheists — who rape them. They’re just a little less likely to blame all Muslims (or Christians, or Hindus, or atheists) for the actions of some Muslims, or Christians or, well, you know the rest.

Whenever a female is given a choice, she will choose the cowardly, dishonest, low agency method rather than the courageous, honest, high agency masculine method.

Yes, this is an actual sentence a human being wrote.

She would rather have handouts than balanced budgets for her children’s futures. She would rather censor than be upset. She would rather falsely accuse men of rape than take responsibility for her sexual choices when drunk.

And he’s back on that false accusation thing.

She would rather get divorced than work through the rough patches. She would rather vote stupidly for Bernie than understand economics. She would rather have a 15 dollar minimum wage than a job.

Uh, maybe because raising the minimum wage won’t actually cost us jobs?

She would rather vote for the wage increase than study the issues.

Or maybe she already studied the issue?

She would rather have alimony and child-support than a lasting marriage.

Or perhaps she would simply like to get out of a miserable marriage. And would like the father of her children to continue to pay some of the costs of raising them.

 

As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males. It is designed for high agency individuals of relatively equal capacity and relatively high intelligence. It simply does not work for low agency people.

Ah, racism. It’s about time you showed up. It wouldn’t be a true alt-right rant without some racism to go with all this misogyny.

To a male the state is a series of threats, to a female a series of benefits. Women cannot be drafted (yet), they are arrested at much lower rates, and given shorter sentences for the same crimes.

Hey, he managed to work the non-existent draft into the equation!

Men are arrested much more often than women, it’s true; they also commit many more crimes. The best way to reduce the number of men arrested for bullshit charges? Get the cops to stop racial profiling. And end the war on drugs.

Women do tend to get somewhat shorter sentences for the same crimes. This is partly because the men committing the same crimes tend to have longer criminal records. It’s also because some male judges are more likely to treat women more leniently. Female judges tend to be more egalitarian in their sentencing.

Despite men being victims of domestic violence, only women have state-supported domestic violence shelters.

Most shelters get only a small portion of their funding from the government. Many if not most also provide shelter for men in the form of hotel vouchers. There’s nothing stopping Men’s Rights activists from building shelters for men. Aside from the fact that they’re Men’s Rights activists, and MRAs don’t actually do crap for men. 

Only men can be successfully prosecuted for raping women, despite the fact that women also rape men. Women get preferential treatment and custody in family courts. Men are essentially guilty until proven innocent in affirmative consent states.

None of this is true. Women are prosecuted — successfullyfor rape. It doesn’t happen a lot, but it happens, and will almost certainly happen more in the future.

While more women than men get custody, that’s not the result of bias. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it’s because that’s what the divorcing parents agree to out of court. When men do go to court to ask for custody they often get it.

“Affirmative consent” laws apply to colleges, not criminal law, and they actually go a long way to clearing up anxieties about consent between partners. If you get an enthusiastic “yes” from a partner who is’t wasted before having sex, well, you know you have consent.

Men are taxed at higher rates.

If they earn more, yes.

Women receive benefits that men don’t. Since only women get custody, only women qualify for welfare. Even WIC means Women Infant Children program.

WIC is designed to provide assistance so poor kids don’t starve to death. Despite the name, WIC provides food vouchers and nutrition classes to men responsible for kids getting fed. True, it doesn’t provide cis men with the same benefits it provides pregnant and breastfeeding women, but that’s because cis men do not get pregnant.

The state treats males as disposable in war, letting them die homeless on the streets while paying females with five baby daddies to get pregnant at the taxpayer expense and receive food stamps.

Yes, it’s terrible that the government provides minimal assistance to keep babies and young children from starving. A quick Google search would have told you that men and women without children can also get food stamps.

It attacks marriage and men with alimony and child-support. The state is nothing but threats for men and benefits for women.

You know, rich women can end up paying alimony just like rich men. Fathers raising kids are entitled to child support from their exes, just as mothers are. And again, child support is designed to support children.

This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets. Even if a woman possesses the courage to engage with uncomfortable facts she still has a disincentive to defend her national interest.

Er, what? Is it somehow in our national interest to let kids starve?

Combine with low agency she works to destroy her society, letting in rapugees, voting for handouts, creating guilty until innocent rape laws, censoring males in the workplace, filing bogus sexual harassment charges, and on and on. Here, low agency and incentives make her nothing but a threat to civilization.

Or at least to that portion of civilization that thinks it’s hilarious to make awful sexist jokes at work.

Her right to vote is a right to destroy other’s rights with redistribution, censorship, and false rape accusations, to bring in hostile raping refugees while attacking the conservative men who defend her as racists, even though Islam is not a race!

Yeah, it’s just a big coincidence that so many of the people the alt-right hate tend to be black or brown.

She will get a Muslim America in the bargain for her efforts. Women will never take equal responsibility, have equal agency, or be equally courageous. Strip them of power before they destroy civilization.

Honestly, the biggest threat to civilization right now is named Donald Trump, and women are a good deal more likely to vote against him than men.

I say, let’s keep women’s suffrage, at least for now.

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Miss Andry
10 years ago

Gotta love the smug “Our side uses logic and reason while you argue from emotion…” line.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

I started reading this and had some things to say, but then it just went on and on and on and my eyes started to glaze over. I realized that instead of responding to the illogical and ill-considered arguments of some racist misogynist whose views are informed by his racism and misogyny instead of by facts, I could be doing something productive like pestering the cat so that she sleeps tonight and doesn’t wake me up.

However, this one stuck out at me:

She would rather have handouts than balanced budgets for her children’s futures.

She would rather vote stupidly for Bernie than understand economics.

This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets.

Not addressing Bernie in any way, I will note that people who harp on balanced budgets do not understand economics and cannot be trusted with national budgets.

Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
Paradoxical Intention - Mobile
10 years ago

“Force women to have babies, even if they can’t take care of them!”

“Don’t expect a handout to take care of that baby you had!”

Typical. This dude’s more focused on the “green” color of the grass on the other side, and can’t see the piles of shit that litter it.

Jamesworkshop
Jamesworkshop
10 years ago

Did his words contain even a single original idea?

I couldn’t spot any.

magnesium
magnesium
10 years ago

How ’bout just the men as ill-informed and irrational as this dude lose the right to vote?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
10 years ago

In England we don’t have the draft, so is it ok if women get to vote here?

Kerry
Kerry
10 years ago

Give me a break with that “baby daddies” talk – that is racist code.

ShaenTheBrain
ShaenTheBrain
10 years ago

“Is it somehow in our national interest to let kids starve?”

If you ask the libertarians, the alt-right, and any of the other sub-factions under the “Fuck ‘Em, I Got Mine” party umbrella, then the answer is “Yes.”

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
10 years ago

If only men had been in charge! They’d never have made boneheaded decisions like invading a country over WMD’s that didn’t exist, what with their super-logical decision-making skills and stuff.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
10 years ago

Also, I love the fact that he repeatedly complains of “censorship” – while saying women shouldn’t be trusted with free speech!

ColeYote
ColeYote
10 years ago

McKibbin argues that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they’re a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards

Sounds like a pretty accurate description of alt-righters.

Mathieu Tremblay
Mathieu Tremblay
10 years ago

Yeah, Canada doesn’t have a draft either, so I guess women can vote too. Yay feminism!

@PoM:
I was thinking the same thing. Politicians who insist on balanced budgets certainly don’t have our children in mind…

mockingbird
mockingbird
10 years ago

Every time I read a screed like this, I wonder, “Have I imagined the two women that I know who pay alimony to their ex-husbands – ex-husbands who each, it might be noted, dissolved the marriage after committing infidelity with and then leaving their wives for younger women?”

And then I remember, “Oh, no…these guys only speak in AssFax. Disregard and carry on.”

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
10 years ago

You know, the bloodiest war ever fought by Americans* was fought before women had the vote, and it was fought over extremely emotional arguments about whether some human beings had the right to own other human beings.

*Well, maybe the Mayans fought bloodier wars. I don’t have the numbers for those.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
10 years ago

So many assertions, so few citations. Oh, forgive me. I forgot that when an MRA shouts, it’s because he has reason and logic on his side. It’s certainly not because he’d rather throw a tantrum than try some empathy, or even just listen to people who are not like him. Shouting isn’t an emotional response when an MRA does it.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Is that Galt troll in the Aurini thread Mckibbin? Or did Galt troll just get inspired by this rant? Because the tone and content is pretty much identical.

Men argue or accommodate information they don’t like

Speaking of trolls; I think the trolls we get around very much prove that plenty of men do not accommodate information they don’t like.

As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males.

To a male the state is a series of threats,

Is a Democratic government the greatest whitest manliest thing ever? Or the biggest, worst threat ever? You can’t have it both ways.

This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets.

I’m sensing the fear of a future Hillary Clinton presidency here. I’ve been wondering when the manuresphere would start freaking out about this. Given Trump’s disastrously low approval ratings amongst woman voters, I expect a lot more of them to out themselves as anti-suffragists in the coming months.

ScarlettAthena
ScarlettAthena
10 years ago

Sorry, I need some MRA-to-English translation: what is “high vs low agency”? Why does OP keep using it?

I thought I was down with the lingo, but then something surprises me.

Nequam
Nequam
10 years ago

@magnesium: Hell, I wouldn’t be sad if they lost the right to breed, but then watching the kerfuffle over THIS is putting me in a very cranky mood.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
10 years ago

Sorry, Canada, England and other no-drafters; we don’t get to have *any* voting. Need the draft. Kudos to the queen though, eh? Isn’t that, like, hypermisogyny? Only one vote, and it’s feeeeeemale!

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
10 years ago

@Nequam; that article has a link to the company website, and there’s a feedback form. I highly encourage everyone to write in and let them know what you think! Here’s the form letter I got back:

Hello,

Thank you for reaching out to us about this important and sensitive issue. We’re glad there are people in the gaming community who are ready to speak up on behalf of those who have been historically marginalized.

As a company, Wyrd believes in the value of a safe and respectful community that actively fights against harassment and other actions that create a hostile environment. You can read about our feelings at more length here: http://themostexcellentandawesomeforumever-wyrd.com/topic/117520-the-importance-of-community/

While we aren’t going to address any specific claims due to privacy reasons, we can assure you that any employee engaged in such despicable acts as threats or harassment would not be tolerated. It is never acceptable behavior.

As a company, we have a code of conduct for our community organizers that they must adhere to, as well as strict forum rules.

If any specific evidence or accusations are brought to our attention, we research them to take appropriate action to support an inclusive community. We encourage our community to be active in speaking up for and promoting an accepting, tolerant play space.

Thank you again for your concerns. They are concerns we share. Please come to us if you are aware of any issues within our communities, and we will take what steps we are able to assist.

Have a good day,
The Wyrd Team
Kelly Brumley

Note that nowhere in there, or their forum link, do they ever admit to the fact that it was their own damn staff that were the ones doing the harassing. The forum link is nothing but a policy statement for their forum.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

There’s the social bullshit when it comes to emotion again. It’s all over the place but the more dominant social classes is able to use it more effectively in a given situation because they have more power and a more receptive audience.

Emotion is a factor in everything going on in your stream of consciousness. Emotion is essentially a constant status notification based on simulated body responses to life experience. So when you feel joy or anger (or some other positive or negative emotion) about something you perceive or do it’s your brain running a simulation of a physical body response that it ran when you originally experienced the thing you are perceiving or learned the thing you are doing. This includes while one is using reason or logic. Things are not a problem because emotion is involved, things are a problem because of what is associated with the emotion.

Emotion is a program that includes changes in how you access memories and what you access, how your perception is shaped, what sorts of ideas come to mind and what actions to take. It’s not just what you feel while those other things are going on. If Axel Mckibbin puts this much emphasis on what one feels I have little reason to trust their insights into what people do and why.

For information associated with emotion see “Self comes to mind: constructing the conscious brain” by Antonio Damasio.

GenJones
GenJones
10 years ago

“- people who harp on balanced budgets do not understand economics and cannot be trusted with national budgets.”

Reminds me of every argument I’ve had with my conservative relatives and inlaws when I point out that red states have higher unemployment and poverty rates and take in more federal dollars in welfare than they pay back in taxes and they fire back “but Texas has a balanced budget!”

Uh yeah, because they slash local services and education funding to make make up the difference. I’ll believe conservative fiscal policies work when their states aren’t tanking by every possible measurement.

Lygeia
Lygeia
10 years ago

I’m not usually give to the ad hominem, but Axel Mckibbin — not exactly an oil painting, is he?

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
10 years ago

@Victorious Parasol I’M SHOUTING LOGICALLY! LISTEN TO MY STEMLOGIC MANTHOUGHTS IF YOUR EMOTIONAL BRAIN CAN POSSIBLY STAND IT!

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
10 years ago

…Nor do they care about the disabled of either gender and any race. If charities, churches, families and communities can’t, don’t, won’t or some combination of – take care of them, what then? The promises of community-based care from when the institutions that were basically warehouses for the disabled to languish in horrific conditions began to be shut down because even those shoddy conditions were too expensive for state and municipal government to continue funding…promises that have fallen short and been broken. If no family was found or capable of taking them in when these places were closed they were on the streets, much like so many are today – they are invisible, ignored, put off and last on the list to be considered much less helped. While this guy is dicking about and clamoring for him and his dickbag friends to take all the scraps because they’re mad they can’t keep being dickbags without it costing them at least a tiny bit anymore – there are people, men women and children – who these pricks and their ‘leadership’ has never cared to bother with helping and actually would prefer not to even be reminded of just like in the ‘good old days’.

But yeah, it’s women and their horribly inadequate ladybrains messing shit up after ALL THOSE YEARS the guys who actually did things that dickbag and co now wish to take credit for while literally doing NOTHING of real value (sorry, being a dickbag on the internet is not something of real value).

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