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“Women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, or power,” Alt-right blogger declares

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Women destroying civilization

Most Men’s Rights Activists who wish women didn’t have the right to vote are savvy enough not to say so outright. Instead, they make up fairy tales about how men’s right to vote (at least here in the US) is contingent on men signing up for the draft.

This isn’t actually true — when the draft was abolished in 1973, men weren’t suddenly stripped of their voting rights. And while it is true that young men in the US have been required to register for the draft since 1980, there is no draft, nor will there be one at any point in the forseeable future, making registration about as much of a burden as signing a pledge that you won’t sprout wings and fly to the moon.

But not every anti-suffragette resorts to this sort of sophistry. Take, for example, the Alt-Rightster and woman-voting-opposer Axel Mckibbin.

In a recent post on his blog The Anti-puritan, McKibbin argues that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they’re a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards who will bring Western civilization crashing down around us if they aren’t stripped of their power, and soon.

In a post with the lovely title “Why women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, national budgets, or power,” Mckibbin sets forth his case against women.

It’s not a very original one. He starts off by contrasting the rational, data-driven approach he thinks men bring to complicated problems with the emotional, irrational “feminine method.” As he sees it,

Men argue or accommodate information they don’t like, women stifle upsetting discussion with emotional tyranny and censorship, or simply bury their heads in the sand.

This wouldn’t be much of a problem if women had no power whatsoever, but for some silly reason men gave women the vote — and the world has been going down the toilet ever since.

[S]ince women have achieved the right to vote, power has shifted from the masculine to the feminine, and thus, from logic to tantrums, from debate to censorship.

Tantrums, huh? I guess he’s right. I’ve never seen men throwing tantrums when people disagree with them.

Oh wait.

Ok, ok, ladies! Don’t throw a fit about this! Let’s just assume that fellow is an outlier, and move on.

Like the rational, data-driven dude he is, McKibbin then throws out a free-associational list of all the things he thinks the ladies are doing wrongly and badly and femininely. Naturally, he provides no evidence for any of his assertions.

It is not a coincidence that the most challenging academic disciplines and hazardous jobs are male dominated. Women are psychologically, not just physically, weaker than men. They choose the easy road in everything. They censor rather than debate honestly in women’s studies departments. They chose easy majors that pay less. They chose easy low paying jobs rather than dangerous/difficult high paying ones. They lie about wage gaps rather than take responsibility and do difficult work.

Then, without even a pause for a paragraph break, he essentially accuses women of being a bunch of lying false rape accusers.

They believe that regret constitutes rape when they could instead take responsibility for their sexual choices.

And then, again without a pause, he offers what is either a weird, out-of-place dig at Hillary Clinton … or a suggestion that all the women of the world routinely mishandle top-secret material.

The screw up classified emails rather than do a minimum of ass-covering. They hate white men who they disagree with rather than Muslims who rape them.

Dude, I’m pretty sure women do hate Muslims — and Christians, and Hindus, and atheists — who rape them. They’re just a little less likely to blame all Muslims (or Christians, or Hindus, or atheists) for the actions of some Muslims, or Christians or, well, you know the rest.

Whenever a female is given a choice, she will choose the cowardly, dishonest, low agency method rather than the courageous, honest, high agency masculine method.

Yes, this is an actual sentence a human being wrote.

She would rather have handouts than balanced budgets for her children’s futures. She would rather censor than be upset. She would rather falsely accuse men of rape than take responsibility for her sexual choices when drunk.

And he’s back on that false accusation thing.

She would rather get divorced than work through the rough patches. She would rather vote stupidly for Bernie than understand economics. She would rather have a 15 dollar minimum wage than a job.

Uh, maybe because raising the minimum wage won’t actually cost us jobs?

She would rather vote for the wage increase than study the issues.

Or maybe she already studied the issue?

She would rather have alimony and child-support than a lasting marriage.

Or perhaps she would simply like to get out of a miserable marriage. And would like the father of her children to continue to pay some of the costs of raising them.


As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males. It is designed for high agency individuals of relatively equal capacity and relatively high intelligence. It simply does not work for low agency people.

Ah, racism. It’s about time you showed up. It wouldn’t be a true alt-right rant without some racism to go with all this misogyny.

To a male the state is a series of threats, to a female a series of benefits. Women cannot be drafted (yet), they are arrested at much lower rates, and given shorter sentences for the same crimes.

Hey, he managed to work the non-existent draft into the equation!

Men are arrested much more often than women, it’s true; they also commit many more crimes. The best way to reduce the number of men arrested for bullshit charges? Get the cops to stop racial profiling. And end the war on drugs.

Women do tend to get somewhat shorter sentences for the same crimes. This is partly because the men committing the same crimes tend to have longer criminal records. It’s also because some male judges are more likely to treat women more leniently. Female judges tend to be more egalitarian in their sentencing.

Despite men being victims of domestic violence, only women have state-supported domestic violence shelters.

Most shelters get only a small portion of their funding from the government. Many if not most also provide shelter for men in the form of hotel vouchers. There’s nothing stopping Men’s Rights activists from building shelters for men. Aside from the fact that they’re Men’s Rights activists, and MRAs don’t actually do crap for men. 

Only men can be successfully prosecuted for raping women, despite the fact that women also rape men. Women get preferential treatment and custody in family courts. Men are essentially guilty until proven innocent in affirmative consent states.

None of this is true. Women are prosecuted — successfullyfor rape. It doesn’t happen a lot, but it happens, and will almost certainly happen more in the future.

While more women than men get custody, that’s not the result of bias. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it’s because that’s what the divorcing parents agree to out of court. When men do go to court to ask for custody they often get it.

“Affirmative consent” laws apply to colleges, not criminal law, and they actually go a long way to clearing up anxieties about consent between partners. If you get an enthusiastic “yes” from a partner who is’t wasted before having sex, well, you know you have consent.

Men are taxed at higher rates.

If they earn more, yes.

Women receive benefits that men don’t. Since only women get custody, only women qualify for welfare. Even WIC means Women Infant Children program.

WIC is designed to provide assistance so poor kids don’t starve to death. Despite the name, WIC provides food vouchers and nutrition classes to men responsible for kids getting fed. True, it doesn’t provide cis men with the same benefits it provides pregnant and breastfeeding women, but that’s because cis men do not get pregnant.

The state treats males as disposable in war, letting them die homeless on the streets while paying females with five baby daddies to get pregnant at the taxpayer expense and receive food stamps.

Yes, it’s terrible that the government provides minimal assistance to keep babies and young children from starving. A quick Google search would have told you that men and women without children can also get food stamps.

It attacks marriage and men with alimony and child-support. The state is nothing but threats for men and benefits for women.

You know, rich women can end up paying alimony just like rich men. Fathers raising kids are entitled to child support from their exes, just as mothers are. And again, child support is designed to support children.

This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets. Even if a woman possesses the courage to engage with uncomfortable facts she still has a disincentive to defend her national interest.

Er, what? Is it somehow in our national interest to let kids starve?

Combine with low agency she works to destroy her society, letting in rapugees, voting for handouts, creating guilty until innocent rape laws, censoring males in the workplace, filing bogus sexual harassment charges, and on and on. Here, low agency and incentives make her nothing but a threat to civilization.

Or at least to that portion of civilization that thinks it’s hilarious to make awful sexist jokes at work.

Her right to vote is a right to destroy other’s rights with redistribution, censorship, and false rape accusations, to bring in hostile raping refugees while attacking the conservative men who defend her as racists, even though Islam is not a race!

Yeah, it’s just a big coincidence that so many of the people the alt-right hate tend to be black or brown.

She will get a Muslim America in the bargain for her efforts. Women will never take equal responsibility, have equal agency, or be equally courageous. Strip them of power before they destroy civilization.

Honestly, the biggest threat to civilization right now is named Donald Trump, and women are a good deal more likely to vote against him than men.

I say, let’s keep women’s suffrage, at least for now.

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What’s amazing in the history of women and war is how women fought to replace men on the battlefield. Wherever a man or boy went , a woman was there demanding that her life instead be sacrificed in the stead of a man or boy.

Women are truly heroic, which is why there should be equal rights. The civil, first and second world wars have women bursting at the seems of heroics. Women are America’s best asset.

So have we had enough Jason for tonight, or possibly ever? Or do some of you want to keep playing with him?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)says:


I’m tired of him, for sure. Other people seem to really like tearing into him, though.


Aww! That’s so cute! 😀

I just want you to know, I get this song in my head whenever I see your icon.

It’s a school night. I vote for banning Jason so he doesn’t sleep through first-period history class again.


What’s amazing in the history of women and war is how women fought to replace men on the battlefield.

No, in those days women were limited by both an even more onerous patriarchy than exists today and a lack of access to reliable contraception. So married women often found themselves pregnant much of the time. It’s difficult to be a soldier and be pregnant, in labor, nursing children, or raising children!

That said, women have distinguished themselves on the battlefield.

You may have heard of Molly Pitcher, who reloaded and shot her husband’s cannon when he was wounded and carried off the battlefield. She’s real. Her name was Mary Ludwig Hays. But there were lots of women like Molly Pitcher, who risked their lives on the battlefield.

The name itself [Molly Pitcher] may have originated as a nickname given to women who carried water to men on the battlefield during the war.

Here’s Molly, bravely stepping in to take over for her husband:

As her husband was carried off the battlefield, Mary Hays took his place at the cannon. For the rest of the day, in the heat of battle, Mary continued to “swab and load” the cannon using her husband’s ramrod. At one point, a British musket ball or cannonball flew between her legs and tore off the bottom of her skirt. Mary supposedly said something to the effect of, “Well, that could have been worse,” and went back to loading the cannon.

Jason is your conciseness yelling at you for being the word’s biggest asshole! Why? Because you’re the world’s biggest asshole.

This is my final post. Thank you for having me. It’s been…what I expected.

I’ll just ban him in case he decides not to stick the flounce.

I think there might be a connection between these two things that MRAs often say (scream):

1. Men only “choose” “their” women based on looks.

Maybe they should start dating people they like.

All I can think when I see the usual MRA whining is: “I married someone who I had nothing in common with, and the relationship didn’t work it. But it’s not my fault!”

Fuck you people. You hide behind the young and fruitful to extend your own lives in time of war. You’re a bunch of fucking cowards! You’re stealing the future of the next generation through forgone taxes as well.

I know that this is way old news, but hm…oddly enough, those weren’t my thoughts when I enlisted in the military at 18.

I’m willing to bet that they weren’t the thoughts that my Great Aunt had when she joined the US Marines in WWII. (Here’s another link.)
Unfortunately, I don’t know most of her story from that time and it may be too late to ask 🙁 (she’s still living, but is suffering some mental decline), but I can say that her husband had to deflect quite a few comments about the mounted Marine rifle and medals on display throughout their marriage (he had been medically disqualified and hadn’t served).
In her prime, she was also a bit over 6 feet tall, broad-shouldered, and a crack shot (my Grandpa’s side grows ’em big and had historically been from Appalachia – and not only boys can shoot critters)…I’m preeettty sure I remember hearing that she hadn’t been relegated to desk and coffee duty.

It always pisses me off when I hear MRAs wax on about women not being “enough” for the military. I think that there’s a real conversation to be had about women in some (very few) specialties, but that primarily comes down to statistics* and logistics**.

*Some specialties require quite a bit of sustained, extreme physical exertion, and fewer women (or, really, people who produce/process less testosterone) can meet the requirements than men (or, again, people who produce/process more testosterone) – but, tbh, many men can’t meet the requirements, either.++

**Logistics comes into play in that women (or, to refine it, people who menstruate and may who might become pregnant) have different field requirements than men. It’s more feasible for large institutions with lots of moving parts to have uniform specs for like units.++

++And, to be clear, anyone of any gender is excluded from some specialties if they have any recurring medical requirements, in part because it can be logistically improbable to ensure that their needs are met in a remote deployment. It can also be unduly (both purely logistically and from a cost/benefit perspective) burdensome in a remote field setting to ensure the currently required separate facilities for different genders if very few of one gender can qualify. The latter could obviously be mitigated by eliminating those requirements, but that would have to come after a pivot in attitudes and norms. I’m 100% for education, reform, and change, but *whistles through teeth* I can’t get behind the forefront of that push being in life-or-death situations that require maximum operational readiness.
As it is, it seems like progress is being made by simple proximity and experience. Many (young) soldiers that I’ve known give zero shits about someone’s gender (or sexual orientation) if they can get the job done and aren’t a blue falcon.

In a Mockingbird as Supreme Ruler scenario, I’d make it so that military specialties had set gender-blind requirements that had to be met – to be 11B, for instance, you’d have to be able to ruck 200 lbs for 20 miles, would have no recurring medical needs (medications, etc), and would be able to satisfy some set of equipment proficiency benchmarks – but that’s not yet the world.

Hell, though – in a Mockingbird as Supreme (and Omnipotent) Ruler – I’VE BECOME Q!!! – scenario, I’d find some non-coercive way to make war obsolete, so…

*looks at post*

I’ve made this too long.

I’m going to go ahead and hit enter now.

@PoM –

I think there might be a connection between these two things that MRAs often say (scream):

1. Men only “choose” “their” women based on looks.



Then don’t date them.

Date someone else.

Or don’t date.

“BERT MUH MANLY URGES!” say MRAs and MRA-adjacents.

Go for long runs and take cold showers.

There’s a storied history of men dealing with it.

Also I love how Jason’s most heinous examples of evil dictators are two men. No cognitive dissonance there! Carry on!

Women made them do it, obvs.

TBH, this time I shall not mourn the missed troll roast, because… well… to be honest, playing Cookie Clicker is more engaging than debating Yet Another MRA Talking Point which has been reheated elebentybillion times.

In a complete tangent, if one of the fan-fave backronyms for MRE is “Meals Rejected by Everyone”, I wonder what we could squish out of MRA…

@IP – I was going to say, “They’re even both Calico!”, but yours looks like an orange tabby upon closer examination.


Sorry again.

I was wondering how we are supposed to be trapping all the men in marriages if they’re imprisoned on the false rape charges we all make some often.

I guess we’ll never know now.

Jason really ran out of gas at the end, didn’t he? The long-anticipated head explosion never materialized. I haven’t been so disappointed since the ending of “Lost”.

Then again, he was trolling for six hours straight without even a single Hot Pocket break. A girl must have said a mean thing to him at the lockers yesterday.

So yeah, I love the total lack of self-awareness of “Women are only valuable for their looks”, but “Women are superficial and shallow!” Not to mention “Feminists are trying to force men to be attracted to tattoos and body fat”, but “How dare women have, and express, preferences! That’s evil!” The inside of a MGTOW’s mind is a carnival whiplash ride of cognitive dissonance. So much mental gymnastics. So few stuck landings.

Even women’s most basic self-preservation instincts, like staying far away from hateful rageaholics, are presented as evidence of feeeemale moral degeneracy. Men can pick and choose, of course, but women, being consumer products, are supposed to just stand still and wait to be chosen and not have the bad form to question the flaws in this arrangement. Choosing women based only on looks might work for a one night Tindr fling, but it’s a terrible approach for a long term relationship. I always laugh at how surprised and angry MGTOW are when the women they expected to be perfect subservient blowup dolls turn out to be human, and then they blame the “product” for being “defective”.

Regarding the military, I also love the toweringly ignorant chutzpah of denying women access to education, jobs, power, property, money, and spousal choice for centuries upon centuries, then blaming women for not thriving under that system AND for all the bad side effects of that system. From paying for dinner to military sacrifice, it’s a system created by men, for the benefit of men. Women aren’t the ones peddling the ancient “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” lie. Kings, presidents, politicians, journalists, propagandists, and recruiting officers are usually the ones pounding the drums of war and urging men to combat. And guess what? Almost all of those are dudes. If it were up to women, we’d keep our husbands, brothers, and sons home safely with us.

If MGTOWs really don’t like the tradeoffs of patriarchy, then why are they working so hard to preserve it?

@IP – I always thought your kitty had some ragdoll in him. He’s so sweet!

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

The black one does, allegedly! She’s one of those cats who’ll just hang when you pick her up.

It’s always strange how quickly things devolve into a hate-spewing ragefest with these trolls over the slightest provocation.

Could it be that being proven wrong is enough to make shatter the illusion that ‘men are purely logical beings’?

Could it be that misogynists need to believe that men are superior beings because the gender that society instilled upon them is the only thing that they have going for them. And breaking down gender roles could make them realize that they actually have zero redeeming qualities?

Also, Jason, and a couple of other recent trolls really need to learn about Danth’s Law.'s_Law

Fuck you people. You hide behind the young and fruitful to extend your own lives in time of war. You’re a bunch of fucking cowards! You’re stealing the future of the next generation through forgone taxes as well.

Wait, what?

Is Jason actually in favor of increasing tax revenues?

Fuck you people. You hide behind the young and fruitful to extend your own lives in time of war. You’re a bunch of fucking cowards! You’re stealing the future of the next generation through forgone taxes as well.

May a major old people virus come through and eliminate the lot of you.

Yeah, Jason is in his early 20s. Alan called it.


Are our cats so similar?

My cat is the cutest cat, and any cat that sufficiently resembles her must be equally cute.

@Imaginary Petal – Oh, I love liquid kitties! It’s weird, though – I have a ragdoll, and he’s about the least relaxed cat ever. When I pick him up, he tenses a little bit and stiffens his forelegs. He tolerates vertical snuggles, but he’d really rather drape over my head when I’m lying down.

OTOH, my applehead Siamese used to turn boneless when picked up and ride around the house around my neck like a stole. Go figure.

@POM – your cat is indeed as cute as IP’s. Every time you post, I want to scrootch his widdle forehead.


I was there, witnessing Danth’s Law being born, realtime.


It was glorious. Especially the zebra pictures in that thread.

I should celebrate the occasion by being vigorously alive.

I’d like to know what an old people virus is. Viruses don’t actually care about the age of a host. Illness is more dangerous for elderly people, but I know of no virus that exclusively targets them.

Maybe he was talking about alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s, not realizing those aren’t viral?

One of our kitties goes boneless when he knows he must move or be moved, but he doesn’t want to. For example, every single evening when kitty/human bed cuddle time ends and humans only bed time begins.

While we’re discussing mental whiplash of the MGTOWs, allow me to add one more:

I don’t understand how they can say “Women are the source of all the evils in the world! They’re awful and I hate them!” and then plead with us to raise our sons to hate us too.

One, not all of us want kids.

Two, even if we did want kids, we wouldn’t raise them to hate women and spend their lives being miserable little sacks of self-martyrdom who won’t face their own problems.

Three, why would you ask someone else to raise their kids to hate them because of their gender? Can you imagine that conversation?

“Billy, Mommy’s a woman, and that means she’s a manipulative lying whore, so you have to hate her and all other women, because they’re also manipulative lying whores, or else you’ll be roped into marriage and paying for your wife’s bills while she sits around and eats bon-bons. Sure, you’ll get the occasional blowjob and some sex, but you won’t be happy because she’s a lazy harpy who has wrangled you into a place where you won’t have any benefits before she dumps you for the next Chad who walks by with a fatter wallet.”

“Mommy, can I have more apple juice?”

“No sweetie, you can’t have more apple juice because I need you to hate all women when you grow up, otherwise the other MGTOWs won’t think you’re manly enough.”

Plus, if we were manipulative and horrible man haters, we’d want to raise our sons to be collaborators. It’d be pretty futile for Jason to implore us to do otherwise.


Okay, so, here’s a short version of zebra thing:

Danth declared that the (very misbehaving) woman in article under discussion was merely being vigorously alive and all attempts to make her stop doing that annoying thing was jackboots of fascism.

People were sort of baffled about that vigorously alive part, so he (IIRC) compared it to a zebra bouncing on veldt: wild, free, alive.

This resulted people posting pics of hyenas (and lions, but hyena/zebra part of the meme stuck) nomming on zebras, with photoshopped speech bubbles saying “I win!” or “I have won!” or “[I’m] vigorously alive!” (in one case, it was merely a zebra leg dangling from a tree, with well-fed leopard resting on a branch).

(This was before dogpiling became a no-no, and certainly would not fly in today’s, but back then… well, it was mean, but gawd that dude was a pain in the virtual ass.)

“Zebra” and “hyena” entered parlance there, noting people that “hyenas are very hungry in these parts for zebras” and such when people started to argue completely bollocking shit.

It needs to be noted that Skarka’s Law also happened in, and yes, I saw that too. And that thread was “do I vomit now or right now?”, because some asshole saw it fit to argue pro-pedophilia and GMS declared what became the famous “law”, “On internet messageboards, there is no subject so vile or indefensible that someone won’t post positively/in defense of it.” (Just a quick note that GMS is not a nice person either, but that observation is still quite spot-on.)

Correction: Zebra/hyena originates from this:

The “zebra/hyena” meme is invented by Cessna (post 255), when he says, without realizing that his words will become a permanent part of Tangency culture, “When the hyena pack that is Tangency tosses someone around like the carcass of a baby zebra only to have them stand back and proclaim that they have won?”

But yeah, hyenas and zebras (and lions and leopard) pics galore.

@Imaginary Petal – Your kitteh is glorious. He looks like he’s having a magnificent dream that demands his full concentration.

I didn’t understand the “raise your sons to hate you, otherwise you’re evil” thing either, except as a weak attempt to maneuver women into a no-win situation. I was tempted to piss Jason off by mentioning the numerous girls my sons play with at preschool, and the way they talk about the girls all the time in glowing words of friendship. Girls are their snack mates, nap neighbors, co-builders, and partners-in-fantasy. Someday those girls will be their fellow students, co-workers, best buddies, and even life partners (if they prefer). Every day I encourage my sons to love their female teachers, cousins, aunts, grandmother, and mother. I do this while laughing heartily and surrounded by glowing flames.

…One of the stranger things about MGTOWs is the way they think other men will eagerly volunteer in droves to feel as angry, alienated, and self-loathing as they are. “Gosh”, they imagine men saying, “the scales have fallen from my eyes! What was I thinking, enjoying life and building happy mutual relationships, when I could have been marinating in resentment! Where do I sign?”

What is this thing “progress” which miraculously gives women power? Ha! It’s western men, who thought they could trust western women. Mistake. Huge mistake, results all around us, war with Russia soon. Does Russia make this mistake of “empowering” women? Of course not, nor China. Which is why they are winning and will dominate the future.
Yes yes, western women don’t care. They imagine they will just whore themselves to the next strong culture which comes along, and then drag that down too. Maybe, but meanwhile, Putin wins.

What is this thing “progress” which miraculously gives women power? Ha! It’s western men, who thought they could trust western women. Mistake. Huge mistake, results all around us, war with Russia soon. Does Russia make this mistake of “empowering” women? Of course not, nor China. Which is why they are winning and will dominate the future.
Yes yes, western women don’t care. They imagine they will just whore themselves to the next strong culture which comes along, and then drag that down too. Maybe, but meanwhile, Putin wins.

You made me laugh.The comment about muslim was fun. Qumran gives muslims absolute right to rape non muslim women. And yes not all muslims do this but all practicing muslims support this. Read the Qumran before spouting stupid things. Also the right to vote for men is linked to drafting because if a real war starts someone will have to fight and will not be women.

@ cyp

Qumran gives muslims absolute right to rape

Qumran is a wadi. It’s where the dead sea scrolls were found. Being a dry valley it doesn’t even mention rape (or anything else for that matter).

The Bible would never advocate rape though.

Oh wait.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Or how about this with bonus slavery!

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Then there’s this gem

2 Samuel 12:11-14

Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.”

It’s probably pretty rare to find a holy book that doesn’t advocate rape in places. That’s a big part of why I never had any desire to participate in organized religion. But to pretend that everyone who does participate is really super pro rape is just silly.

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