
Most Men’s Rights Activists who wish women didn’t have the right to vote are savvy enough not to say so outright. Instead, they make up fairy tales about how men’s right to vote (at least here in the US) is contingent on men signing up for the draft.
This isn’t actually true — when the draft was abolished in 1973, men weren’t suddenly stripped of their voting rights. And while it is true that young men in the US have been required to register for the draft since 1980, there is no draft, nor will there be one at any point in the forseeable future, making registration about as much of a burden as signing a pledge that you won’t sprout wings and fly to the moon.
But not every anti-suffragette resorts to this sort of sophistry. Take, for example, the Alt-Rightster and woman-voting-opposer Axel Mckibbin.
In a recent post on his blog The Anti-puritan, McKibbin argues that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they’re a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards who will bring Western civilization crashing down around us if they aren’t stripped of their power, and soon.
In a post with the lovely title “Why women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, national budgets, or power,” Mckibbin sets forth his case against women.
It’s not a very original one. He starts off by contrasting the rational, data-driven approach he thinks men bring to complicated problems with the emotional, irrational “feminine method.” As he sees it,
Men argue or accommodate information they don’t like, women stifle upsetting discussion with emotional tyranny and censorship, or simply bury their heads in the sand.
This wouldn’t be much of a problem if women had no power whatsoever, but for some silly reason men gave women the vote — and the world has been going down the toilet ever since.
[S]ince women have achieved the right to vote, power has shifted from the masculine to the feminine, and thus, from logic to tantrums, from debate to censorship.
Tantrums, huh? I guess he’s right. I’ve never seen men throwing tantrums when people disagree with them.
Oh wait.
Ok, ok, ladies! Don’t throw a fit about this! Let’s just assume that fellow is an outlier, and move on.
Like the rational, data-driven dude he is, McKibbin then throws out a free-associational list of all the things he thinks the ladies are doing wrongly and badly and femininely. Naturally, he provides no evidence for any of his assertions.
It is not a coincidence that the most challenging academic disciplines and hazardous jobs are male dominated. Women are psychologically, not just physically, weaker than men. They choose the easy road in everything. They censor rather than debate honestly in women’s studies departments. They chose easy majors that pay less. They chose easy low paying jobs rather than dangerous/difficult high paying ones. They lie about wage gaps rather than take responsibility and do difficult work.
Then, without even a pause for a paragraph break, he essentially accuses women of being a bunch of lying false rape accusers.
They believe that regret constitutes rape when they could instead take responsibility for their sexual choices.
And then, again without a pause, he offers what is either a weird, out-of-place dig at Hillary Clinton … or a suggestion that all the women of the world routinely mishandle top-secret material.
The screw up classified emails rather than do a minimum of ass-covering. They hate white men who they disagree with rather than Muslims who rape them.
Dude, I’m pretty sure women do hate Muslims — and Christians, and Hindus, and atheists — who rape them. They’re just a little less likely to blame all Muslims (or Christians, or Hindus, or atheists) for the actions of some Muslims, or Christians or, well, you know the rest.
Whenever a female is given a choice, she will choose the cowardly, dishonest, low agency method rather than the courageous, honest, high agency masculine method.
Yes, this is an actual sentence a human being wrote.
She would rather have handouts than balanced budgets for her children’s futures. She would rather censor than be upset. She would rather falsely accuse men of rape than take responsibility for her sexual choices when drunk.
And he’s back on that false accusation thing.
She would rather get divorced than work through the rough patches. She would rather vote stupidly for Bernie than understand economics. She would rather have a 15 dollar minimum wage than a job.
Uh, maybe because raising the minimum wage won’t actually cost us jobs?
She would rather vote for the wage increase than study the issues.
Or maybe she already studied the issue?
She would rather have alimony and child-support than a lasting marriage.
Or perhaps she would simply like to get out of a miserable marriage. And would like the father of her children to continue to pay some of the costs of raising them.
As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males. It is designed for high agency individuals of relatively equal capacity and relatively high intelligence. It simply does not work for low agency people.
Ah, racism. It’s about time you showed up. It wouldn’t be a true alt-right rant without some racism to go with all this misogyny.
To a male the state is a series of threats, to a female a series of benefits. Women cannot be drafted (yet), they are arrested at much lower rates, and given shorter sentences for the same crimes.
Hey, he managed to work the non-existent draft into the equation!
Men are arrested much more often than women, it’s true; they also commit many more crimes. The best way to reduce the number of men arrested for bullshit charges? Get the cops to stop racial profiling. And end the war on drugs.
Women do tend to get somewhat shorter sentences for the same crimes. This is partly because the men committing the same crimes tend to have longer criminal records. It’s also because some male judges are more likely to treat women more leniently. Female judges tend to be more egalitarian in their sentencing.
Despite men being victims of domestic violence, only women have state-supported domestic violence shelters.
Most shelters get only a small portion of their funding from the government. Many if not most also provide shelter for men in the form of hotel vouchers. There’s nothing stopping Men’s Rights activists from building shelters for men. Aside from the fact that they’re Men’s Rights activists, and MRAs don’t actually do crap for men.
Only men can be successfully prosecuted for raping women, despite the fact that women also rape men. Women get preferential treatment and custody in family courts. Men are essentially guilty until proven innocent in affirmative consent states.
None of this is true. Women are prosecuted — successfully — for rape. It doesn’t happen a lot, but it happens, and will almost certainly happen more in the future.
While more women than men get custody, that’s not the result of bias. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it’s because that’s what the divorcing parents agree to out of court. When men do go to court to ask for custody they often get it.
“Affirmative consent” laws apply to colleges, not criminal law, and they actually go a long way to clearing up anxieties about consent between partners. If you get an enthusiastic “yes” from a partner who is’t wasted before having sex, well, you know you have consent.
Men are taxed at higher rates.
If they earn more, yes.
Women receive benefits that men don’t. Since only women get custody, only women qualify for welfare. Even WIC means Women Infant Children program.
WIC is designed to provide assistance so poor kids don’t starve to death. Despite the name, WIC provides food vouchers and nutrition classes to men responsible for kids getting fed. True, it doesn’t provide cis men with the same benefits it provides pregnant and breastfeeding women, but that’s because cis men do not get pregnant.
The state treats males as disposable in war, letting them die homeless on the streets while paying females with five baby daddies to get pregnant at the taxpayer expense and receive food stamps.
Yes, it’s terrible that the government provides minimal assistance to keep babies and young children from starving. A quick Google search would have told you that men and women without children can also get food stamps.
It attacks marriage and men with alimony and child-support. The state is nothing but threats for men and benefits for women.
You know, rich women can end up paying alimony just like rich men. Fathers raising kids are entitled to child support from their exes, just as mothers are. And again, child support is designed to support children.
This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets. Even if a woman possesses the courage to engage with uncomfortable facts she still has a disincentive to defend her national interest.
Er, what? Is it somehow in our national interest to let kids starve?
Combine with low agency she works to destroy her society, letting in rapugees, voting for handouts, creating guilty until innocent rape laws, censoring males in the workplace, filing bogus sexual harassment charges, and on and on. Here, low agency and incentives make her nothing but a threat to civilization.
Or at least to that portion of civilization that thinks it’s hilarious to make awful sexist jokes at work.
Her right to vote is a right to destroy other’s rights with redistribution, censorship, and false rape accusations, to bring in hostile raping refugees while attacking the conservative men who defend her as racists, even though Islam is not a race!
Yeah, it’s just a big coincidence that so many of the people the alt-right hate tend to be black or brown.
She will get a Muslim America in the bargain for her efforts. Women will never take equal responsibility, have equal agency, or be equally courageous. Strip them of power before they destroy civilization.
Honestly, the biggest threat to civilization right now is named Donald Trump, and women are a good deal more likely to vote against him than men.
I say, let’s keep women’s suffrage, at least for now.


Actually agree that women can’t handle power. Problem is neither can men.
@Garen Truscott
Was thinking the same thing. Power is inherently corrupting, it’s not a case of who’s on top. A society based on hierarchy and an uneven distribution of power will never be a moral society.
That said, I would certainly trust most women to have power over these kinds of assholes with authoritarian personalities.
The state a series of threats? I’m sure this man has never needed to go to an NHS hospital for emergency care, or have a house fire put out, or gone to a public school as a child. Most men, however, will have.
It’s true that the state often treats young men as basically disposable muscle; however this is not women’s fault. Men do this. You know, those men who are in power?
Let’s be honest here. This gentleman didn’t want to use the word “baby daddy” here. He had another word in mind, one beginning with “n”, and both he and his audience know it.
Uh-huuh. What happens when the guy doesn’t want to work out the issues? The wife is tired of her doing all the housework when she comes home from work and the husband doesn’t want to do any of it. What if one partner has a gambling addiction and doesn’t want to stop?
But no, somehow if the femaaaaale wants a divorce it’s totally because she was a lazy goblin person who didn’t want to even bother fixing things.
To be even more honest, most MRAnts could be translated as “N****r! N****r! Bitch c**t slut whore n****r! F****t c**t c**t f****t! JEWS!” like a bunch of really terrible Pokemon.
@ EJ
You’re in London aren’t you? There are still a few buildings around that have the plaques from when fire fighting was privatised. Basically the service was provided by insurance companies and you got a thing to affix to your house so the fire fighters would know it was ok to put the fire out.
(Also you’ve been here long enough to know ‘public schools’ aren’t state funded 🙂 )
Oh yeah? Let’s swap you into the body of a woman, and then see you try to handle even a quarter of the bullshit people like you put women through. Let’s see how you “psychologically” cope with sexual assault, rape, cat-calling, death threats, and a justice system that exists to protect the perpetrators. Let’s see you cope with having to be twice as good in your job, for three quarters of the pay, and still be subject to endless scrutiny over your choices in marriage, childbearing, clothing, and appearance, not to mention harassment from the people who hold the purse strings of your livelihood. Let’s enter you into a beauty pageant against your will, 24/7, and see how well you cope with being treated like a piece of meat, being reduced to body parts, and having your boundaries repeatedly treated like a game for someone else’s amusement. Let’s see how well you cope with pregnancy, childbirth, and raising kids.
Not just for five minutes, but for an entire lifetime.
God damn, this “men are strong, women are weak” bullshit pisses me off no end. These guys can’t take even the mildest version of the stuff they dish out. They threaten, bully, intimidate, and harass women non-stop, and then when the woman speaks up and says “Excuse me, please stop” they react as if she’d burned them with a red-hot poker. They crumple up and wail and put their fingers in their ears and angrily scream “evil bitch, how dare you!!” as if doing that will keep the spectre of modernism away from their precious bubble. They need constant validation and ego-stroking. They need their own version of history, sociology, and biology to artificially prop them up as the master race. It’s the weakest, most pathetic shit ever.
@M:
Hey, no fair. The alt-right community thrives on using tens of thousands of words to delicately dance around that. You’ve just summed up the entirety of their output for the next ten years. Meanie.
@Alan:
I’ve also seen a documentary about the rival fire services and how they used to prevent one another from working. I believe it was called Gangs Of New York.
Public schools aren’t state-funded in Britain, I know, but I’m writing so that the Americans and other foreigners can understand me. If I were to begin using Britishisms like “public school” the way they’re used in Britain, I may as well go all the way and rabbit the argot like I was down the nuclear with a bunch of Bacardis.
@Dalillama
Sorry, I went to bed before I saw your question. The book is The Magician’s Ward.
@ EJ
Yeah, last thing want is a tear-up cause some of the boats in this gaff are pwoper naughty!
PREACH IT BROTHER!
He even left out things females do:
They use the same knife for both the PB & the J and leave peanut butter traces in the jelly jar and jelly traces in the Peanut Butter jar!
They put milk back in the fridge with only ~1/3 of a cup left in it!
They leave the toilet seat down!
They clean when you are not around and put your stuff back where it belongs so you can’t find it where you left it!
Women are very, very bad at humming. Have you ever heard one hum? Shoot me now!
Their umbrellas. They use the tiny ones that fit into their purses. Then they’re sad when they get rained on. Shoot me twice now!
They’re always on a diet. I’m seeing red just thinking about it!
They can’t hold their liquor. Men can drink them under the table. It’s infuriating!
Cooking. They’re supposed to be able to cook. But no. They never cook for me. Damn them!
Darn those women! Always complaining about my hygiene, but when I ask them to shower with me, they run screaming!
Just Google “Alex Jones screaming” to definitely prove that “men never throw temper tantrums” is bullshit.
I’m two pages behind so someone might have pointed this out already, but in all the outrageous, offensive bullshit in this guy’s diatribe, I think what bothered me most was ‘rapugees’.
Like… wow, I’m a woman and you just shit on me and everyone like me, but I’m still white and Canadian and have my own set of privileges. Rapugees just takes people who have lost friends, family, homes, everything they’ve ever known in a lot of cases, and reduces them to rapists that only want to come here because racists think white women are somehow superior so obviously refugees want them.
Utterly disgusting, have some empathy you piece of shit.
I guess “with Liberty and justice for all” doesn’t exist in this guy’s fantasy world.
Peter Thiel popularized the idea that wealthy libertarians should build anarcho-capitalist cities under the ocean that will be outside of government jurisdiction. And yes, that was the inspiration for the story in BioShock.
@Tara:
But of course. I keep forgetting because my vagina and clit do all my thinking for me. Mea culpa!
“Balanced Budgets”
Oh boy!
I always ask people, what will a balanced budget do for the average citizen? For anyone? What actual benefit does it have?
There is a correct answer, but it’s not one anybody obsessed with balancing budgets will guess.
Interest rates! A balanced budget will exert a relative downward pressure on interest rates which might help you with that variable home loan repayment or getting that business loan!
Weigh that against the value of what was cut and foregone to get there.
The sheer amount of cognitive dissonance these guys must experience must be amazing. Maybe thats why they’re so angry all the time (of course anger doesn’t count as an emotion).
They have to simultaneously assert that men are logical an unemotional, because of course when you get a group of men together they always have calm rational discussions like a room full of Vulcans. At the same time their outlook also requires that men are also violent monsters totally ruled by their penises.
Men are and should be in charge because logic and reason. But, women are actually totally in charge of everything because boobs and you legally have to ask before you can sex us.
I’m sure it would blow their minds if I told them that my father was entitled to alimony because my mother always earned several times more than him.
@ LindsayIrene
That was my cat’s exact reaction to snow when I showed it to him for the first time. He was not thrilled by it.
I have a hypothesis about these libertarian/Mckibbin types that get complained of in social justice circles.
I think that it’s about instincts and emotions associated with being a member of a historically dominant social class, and being business/corporate-type people. They live in a world that is used to using social dominance as a matter of course, but they are largely unaware of it because to them it’s a matter of “that’s just the way things have always been done”. They might admit to it more in the business context, but they like to ignore how such behavior can bleed over into lots of other areas of one’s life.
People who are already in the dominant social group are motivated to ignore that fact since society tends to view that negatively because of racism, sexism homophobia and other -isms and -phobias. Lip-service is at least paid to it. Admitting and understanding how they have a social advantage in social conflict is a disadvantage since the behaviors are bullying behavior functionally. Society likes a fair fight and they have a need to appear independent and strong, especially on the internet. So many of them will do anything they can to ignore and dismiss the whole idea of social emotions, group-conflict, power imbalances and similar. It mucks with their narrative so they have to actively pretend that we are all the same.
They have no chance in the long run. Not only are they ignoring social dynamics where it suits them, but they remain ignorant of basic human diversity and such ignorance is a strategic weakness because either they will neglect it, of they will have to lie about using such knowledge. I’ve been living in a world where I can break the population down into X% of people with various mental conditions that give advantages as well as disadvantages and think about how each group influences the global dynamics. I’m proficient at social conflict and I care about fair fights because I care about people and recognize that just because I’m good at something does not mean that I can use it with abandon. I have to apply morals and ethics to my behavior. I have a psychology that is actively sensitive to the power imbalances they seek to ignore and I even struggle with being open about how to be honest about manipulating the social environment around them as they struggle to ignore it.
It’s actually quite sad and I wish them the best in becoming better people, but I will do what I need to do to deal with behavior that hurts other people.
Men are super-logical and only care about logical things. That’s why this is a thing that happened:
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/news/a56024/lauren-jones-pregnancy-shamed/
http://insiderlouisville.com/lifestyle_culture/style/body-shaming-meteorologist/
Wow… this was a disturbing read… but quite effective on getting me fired up enough to get out of bed.
Brony, I really enjoyed reading your thoughts about humans being sort of a biological computer with emotions programmed into them. I agree on so many things. May I ask, what made you first notice this? (Just curious, sorry if I’m too nosy.)
(Also, OT, but I kinda want to share this because it should get way more attention. It’s so disturbing. Very disturbing. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/04/footballer-jamie-vardy-twitter-threats-to-daughter )
Omg yes! So much this! And in the UK, a lot of people who are racist towards refugees are the same people who were pleased when our government voted to fucking carpet bomb Syria. I sobbed like a baby when that vote happened and then started putting together donation packs of food, clothing and sanitary hygiene products. Anyone who thinks that it’s fine to bomb a country but not fine for people from that country to seek safety with us is just a terrible person.
And as for this bullshit
The amount of white, British men I’ve been raped by – 1
The amount of white British men I’ve been sexually assaulted by – even if you make the criteria of sexual assault very narrow (actual groping of breasts or other intimate areas) it’s still at least 15.
Amount of immigrants and/or refugees I’ve been raped or sexually assaulted by – 0
So yeah, tell me again how white, conservative men are protecting women from the marauding rapists. *head explodes*
Dr NicolaLuna, you are an amazing person. Fistbump.