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Men Going Their Own Way tell Paul Elam to go away. BONUS: The terrible new MGTOW anthem

Men Going Their Own Way can't decide which way to go.
Men Going Their Own Way can’t figure out which way to go.

Oh dear. Paul Elam’s attempt to anoint himself King of the MGTOWs doesn’t seem to be going terribly well, mainly due to the fact that the overwhelming majority of those who call themselves Men Going Their Own Way would prefer it if he went his own way off a short pier.

His new ebook on MGTOW — despite receiving rave reviews from people who work for him at A Voice for Men — has not done quite as well amongst the MGTOW masses, many of whom are posting one-star reviews on Amazon.

Their complaints are a mixture of the reasonable and the ridiculous. On the one hand, they accuse him of being a con artist trying to cash in on their little movement with an ebook made up mostly of stuff that’s already been posted on the internet. On the other, well, they think he’s some kind of quasi-feminist supplicator to women who’s committed a sort of treason against his fellow men by not banning all women from AVFM. No, really:

 43 of 62 people found the following review helpful 1.0 out of 5 stars Story of a Shill, January 2, 2015 By  Brad P. - See all my reviews This review is from: Go Your Own Way: Understanding MGTOW (Kindle Edition) Paul Elam is almost universally hated in the MGTOW community and this book is his attempt to hijack and appropriate a fledgeling philosophy in order to make a cheap buck at best, or at worst subvert and pervert it.  MGTOW began as a direct reaction for men to be aware the risks of marriage and relationships with women, including the conception of children, and to either mitigate the risks on their own terms or protect themselves completely by practicing abstinence from sex, relationships and economic engagement in the face of a gynocentric structured tax system that unfairly transfers benefit and subsidy to women at the expense of men.  But Paul Elam is a known supplicator to Feminists as a means of getting a pass as a moderate and promoting his AVFM network and profiting from male suffering. Feminists are the direct culprit responsible for creating a toxic society that is extremely hostile towards men. Paul Elam advocates for traditionalism and insists that married men can be MGTOW too when that is the exact antithesis of MGTOW. In Western developed nations, traditionalism and marriage only serve to compromise male sovereignty, savings, sanity, and safety. Paul Elam's general conduct has alienated the best thinkers and contributors previously at his misguided website, as well as many other former subscribers.  MGTOW is about liberating men without any reservation, apology, or reverence to political correctness.  Between VAWA and divorce law, married men can only think they are going their own way. Only up until Princess Cupcake becomes unsatisfied and calls in Big Daddy Government to rough him up and take him away.  Save your money and time and PASS.

On their own websites, Elam’s MGTOW haters are even more blunt. Here’s what one commenter on MGTOWHQ had to say:

Re: reviews on paul's mgtow book aren't looking too nice  Postby comedian » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:49 pm Personally, I always thought Elam was an agent of the plantation. Call himself a MGTOW leader, get a bunch of guys under his wing and gradually suck up to the twats towing his supposed MGTOW brigade behind him. That's what happens when you allow twats into your forum. I think it was a deliberate move on his part. To sum up, water down MGTOW to the point where it isn't MGTOW, it's men going Elam's way; back into the grinder.  His book isn't even worth the price of a McHappy Meal.

But my favorite response so far comes from a Youtuber who calls himself TheMadShangi. A few months ago, Mr. Shangi was a loyal AVFMer; indeed, he contributed a post to Elam’s site gleefully recounting how he’d been such a royal pain in the ass to me on Twitter that I stopped responding to him. (Or, as he put it, How I made David Futrelle cry and ragequit on Twitter.)

Well, these days he’s singing a different tune. Literally. Here’s his musical critique of Mr. Elam and his book.(The bit at the beginning is from a video Elam made baiting his MGTOW haters.)

Both sides in this MGTOW civil war are so thoroughly terrible I can only hope that they both go down in ignominious defeat, leaving us, the amused spectators, the only real winners.

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magnesium
magnesium
7 years ago

Isn’t this the reason Elam fired Wooly “Misandric Pants” Bumblebee a while back?

Maybe it’s time he kicks another feMRA off the island to appease his customer base. Ooo, he could hold a vote. PR opportunity!

tomtom94speaks
7 years ago

My heart bleeds for you, Paul. Keep at it, you’re doing our job for us extremely well.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

1: Collect the MGTOW faithful into a big stadium. Pass out switchblades at the entrance.
2: Equip Paulie and the AVfM crew with automatic weapons. Paulie himself also gets grenades.
3: Parachute the AVfM’ers into the center of the stadium.
4: Lock the stadium doors, let the occupants of the stadium all discover their weapons are worthless and this was really just a cool way to get them all to GToW, already.
5: Occasionally air-drop supplies (we’re not barbarians, after all).

Karalora
Karalora
7 years ago

Paul Elam is a known supplicator to Feminists

*spit-take*

WHAT???

Malitia
Malitia
7 years ago

*Confused stare* What? (Sorry. Brain crashed. More coherent reaction isn’t available.)

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
7 years ago

It’s all a bit like when the Tea Partiers called John Boehner and Mitch McConnell “Liberal RINOs,” isn’t it?

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

This is one of many reasons it’s idiotic to be a feMRA. Paul and some of the other guys may tolerate the likes of JB and GWW, but much of the manosphere still hates them and the ones who don’t only need the slightest excuse. Why any woman would choose to live in the hornet’s nest.

Shalimar
Shalimar
7 years ago

It was the main reason he booted Wooly Bumblebee, and no it doesn’t seem to have worked, because the group he is trying to appeal to basically responded “What, you let a woman speak in public without slapping her? You still allow JudgyBitch to talk on your own website? Those two are women, which means they must also be feminists because feminist means woman. Don’t try to work out the logic, only brilliant minds like mine can understand it.”

Falconer
7 years ago

We don’t like him, so he must be one of THEM, you see.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

It’s cute that they think MGTOW is some fresh, new philosophy. It’s the inverse of that religious traditionalism they hate so much. It’s good old fashioned gender segregation except instead of excluding women from public life while marrying and having kids they’re attempting to separate the genders in private life while mostly ignoring the public sphere.

Unoriginal boys. Unoriginal.

acrannymint
acrannymint
7 years ago

I had to give up on the video because I was afraid my ears would start bleeding

Bina
7 years ago

Men Going Their Own Way. Unfortunately, that “way” is in circles. And every so often, one of them morphs into a firing squad. Ha, ha.

GroundPetrel
GroundPetrel
7 years ago

I didn’t watch the video for fear of my personal health (physical and mental) being adversely affected.

But holy mackerel are these people…well, I don’t want to say crazy, but “stupid” doesn’t quite get the sheer level of absurdity present in the quoted comment.

Anyone have any ideas?

WatermelonSugar
WatermelonSugar
7 years ago

Shangi and Roosh should team up and form a band, since Roosh has been giving it much critical thought and obvs Shangi is destined to be a star.

That song makes me think of some other crap MGTOW song I heard–produced by a “record label” from my very own native Nashville. Ugh. We have enough crap music here in the Music City.

Also, I watched some of this little war transpire on Twitter. Best part? Paul had time not only to fling insults, but also to like a youtube video called, in all caps, “OBAMAS ALIEN REPTILIAN BODYGUARD,” which garnered responce only from a white-pride account.

Maybe that’s why he has the “H” in MHRM? To make it known the alien reptilian bodyguards, even of the male/alien reptilian bodyguard male-equivalent are not to be included, just the human variety?

WatermelonSugar
WatermelonSugar
7 years ago

@GroundPetrel–

Do avoid “crazy.” I think it’s been mentioned to you before, but it’s ableist language. I am, technically, crazy–I deal with depression, have gone to rehab for a suicide attempt, am a recovering alcoholic, bbblah. I read in a past comment of yours that you also deal with mental health issues (and have ADHD–me to!–shiny stuff!). It kind of sucks to be lumped in with the likes of Paul just for being crazy, doesn’t it?

I like to think of MRAs as out of touch, self-important privileged douche bags with too much time on their hands who, instead of affecting real change, use their energy to harass women and bitch about women and go their own way from women and women women women women WHAT ABOUT THE MEN oh wait let’s talk crap on women some more.

Orion
Orion
7 years ago

InAne, perhaps.

Bina
7 years ago

Inane definitely works. I use “delusional”, too, since one doesn’t have to be mentally ill to suffer them. Especially not delusions of grandeur, which MRAs all seem to have.

davidknewton
davidknewton
7 years ago

Personally I wouldn’t dream of calling an actually mentally struggling person “crazy” and wouldn’t compare them to the likes of Paul at all… but the dislike of the word on this site has made me realize that calling him “crazy” is like giving him an excuse for what an astonishingly rotten person he is – it attributes all of that to some kind of mental imbalance rather than his own agency.

I notice Shangi’s use of the semi-word “PWNage” in both the exchange you linked to and on his video title – have I been warped back in time to 2002? (I’m not exactly complaining. It would mean that I still have some hair and Gamergate doesn’t exist.)

sunnysombrera
7 years ago

I vote for “delusional”. Whenever they talk about women they speak like they live in a fantasy world. I can’t believe one of them said that modern society is hostile to men. HAH!

GroundPetrel
GroundPetrel
7 years ago

I generally use “crazy”, “insane”, or “ass-clown” as a descriptor for people like MRAs, and use “mentally ill” or “has developmental/neurological issues” for people with depression, bipolar disorder, TS, ADHD, OCD, et cetera.

“Crazy” just isn’t a term I associate with schizophrenia, depression, et cetera. My mom has Views ™ on that.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
7 years ago

Purposefully self-deluding?

Shaun DarthBatman Day
7 years ago

GroundPetrel, that’s great for you, not so great for those whom “crazy” has been used as a weapon against. Please don’t use it here.

sunnysombrera
7 years ago

Guys, he said he DIDN’T want to say “crazy”, probably because he knows it’s not accepted here.

GroundPetrel
GroundPetrel
7 years ago

sunnysombrera, yeah, that’s basically it.

I had another comment that I wrote but it glitched or something and doesn’t seem to have appeared. Darn WordPress bugs.

contrapangloss
7 years ago

Pointing up to sunnysombrera’s post.

Still, GroundPetrel, try and avoid it. I got what you meant, but try to avoid it. I prefer “purposeful fools who are willfully stupid” myself.

Or call them folks whose posteriors make fine hats for themselves.

Or, you can just say they are ridiculous.

Or, say they are a parody of themselves, because they kind of are.

Or, my personal word is orange, because when you talk to them sometimes, it’s like I’m talking to someone about how strawberries and bananas go perfectly together and then suddenly they show up and it’s like “ORANGE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY ORANGE!”

…only less pun-ny.

Have fun with it! Just no violent or ableist imagery.

🙂

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