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Domestic violence laws are a crime against nature, according to pickup artist Roosh V

Roosh V explains something-or-other
Roosh V explains something-or-other

So apparently domestic violence laws are a crime against nature. Who knew?

Well, the repellent “game” guru and all-around human stain Roosh Valizadeh knows, or thinks he knows, and he devoted a long and strange post yesterday to explaining just why. Oh, and why laws forbidding bees from attacking ants are a bad thing.

We’re going to skip the bugs — they’re the main characters in a bizarre fable Roosh uses to start off his post — and move right on to the part of Roosh’s post that deals directly with human beings.

Here is his thesis, baldly (and badly) stated:

Creating laws to prop up the weak is like playing a game of musical chairs. … Domestic violence laws are a great example of this phenomenon. Assault and battery is already outlawed, but by creating a new class of laws that create privilege for a specific group, a new immunity is formed. The ecosystem is damaged, unprepared to take on the unintended consequences of misguided intervention.

Of course, by this logic, you could argue that pretty much all laws interfere with the “ecosystem.” Interesting that he only applies this argument to female victims of domestic abuse. (He seems unaware that male DV victims even exist.)

In Ukraine, I witnessed a man slap his girlfriend on a crowded pedestrian street. Over 20 men must have witnessed the event, but no one rushed to her aid. She also did nothing, not screaming or running away. With primitive (i.e. rarely prosecuted) domestic violence laws in Ukraine, you’d think that this sort of thing would happen all the time, but it was the first time I had seen it in a country that I had spent 6 months in. Men show surprising restraint when it comes to violence against their women, something that may be a shock to people living in countries with advanced domestic violence laws.

So … a guy hitting his girlfriend in public is proof of the restraint of Ukrainian men?

In the USA, with nearly two decades of such laws on the books, what do you see? Women hitting men and women attacking men they don’t even know. I’m sure you’ve seen many such videos on Youtube and LiveLeak, which make it seem like women are warriors, completely fearless of men.

Really? Argumentum ad YouTube? On YouTube, you can find videos of dudes farting on other dudes’ heads, dudes shooting bottlerockets out of their own asses, women climbing into plastic bags for no reason, and, well, these ingenious masochists.

I’m really not sure you can attribute any of these activities to specific pieces of legislation.

With their elevation as a special victim in need of state protection, there is usually no punishment for hitting men, even if the man hits back only to defend himself. Girl hits man, man pushes girl away, girl calls cops, man goes to jail.

The idea that a mere accusation from a “girl” will send a man to jail is simply not true. Yesterday, George Zimmerman’s estranged wife accused him of threatening her and others with a gun, and punching his father-in-law in the nose. He did not go to jail.

If she’s married, she gets an additional bonus of monthly cash payments once the divorce is settled. Encouraging a man to fight has become financially beneficial for women.

She may get awarded child support, which she’ll be lucky to collect. Very few women get alimony.

Like the ants, women know that the laws give them a pass. They are taking full advantage of it, predictably conforming to their environment. Men are demoted to second class citizens and live in fear of going to jail while women have impunity to act in any way they want. The result? Less marriage, more violent marriages, unhappy relationships, and more single parent households.

Yes, that’s right. Roosh is seriously arguing that domestic violence laws lead to “more violent marriages.” Never mind that, in fact, domestic violence has fallen dramatically in the US in the last two decades, in part because of laws like the Violence Against Women Act (which also protects male DV victims). According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, “the overall rate of intimate partner violence in the United States declined by 64%” from 1994 through 2010.

But Roosh doesn’t let things like facts get in the way of his rant.

Nature, while not perfect, has spend hundreds of thousands of years optimizing sex roles through trial and error to facilitate human reproduction. … Recent utopian schemes to “protect” women have ushered in policies that have no proven effectiveness, whether increasing the happiness of women, protecting the family unit, or advancing society in any form. They might as well have been pulled out of a top hat, an experiment done on the masses by those in power.

Yeah, “no proven effectiveness” — aside from the fact that they actually seem to have cut DV in half in less than 20 years.

Progressives, through their tinkering, are introducing disincentives that destroy even basic relationships instead of stabilizing them. Their policies have helped create men such as myself, who see absolutely no incentive to pursue a relationship in a country where I can go to jail and be robbed blind from a failed relationship or from a woman lying about how I treat her.

I don’t know what creates men such as yourself, but I’m pretty sure it’s not feminism.

Roosh goes on to note that in Ukraine, the kids he sees walking around with their parents “seem quite happy.” Oh, the kids you observe at a distance and know nothing about “seem happy?” That settles it! Top notch social science research work, dude!

Moreover, he adds,

In a place where women are not considered protected, some may even be surprised to never see women with bruises and black eyes, or see them getting beat up every day, screaming for help.

Yep, that’s right, so long as women aren’t walking around with visible bruises and/or getting beaten up in public, all is well and we can assume that domestic violence is not a problem at all.

In fact, as even a quick visit to useful web site known as “Google” will reveal, domestic violence is in fact a huge problem in Ukraine. Indeed, according to one 2009 survey cited here, a staggering 44% of Ukrainians have been victims of DV; 75% of them never sought help for it — not altogether surprising, for while the country does in fact have laws against it, they are generally fairly ineffective.

As Amnesty International noted in a recent report on the subject,

Perpetrators of domestic violence in Ukraine act with impunity. The Law on the Prevention of Violence in the Family does not provide adequate protection to victims of violence and perpetuates the myth that women are to blame for the violence that is perpetrated against them. Police often fail to take action when women report domestic violence and sometimes react inappropriately. Women who attempt to take the perpetrators to court are hampered by widespread corruption or find that the punishments imposed are inadequate.

And while DV in the US is down, government officials in Ukraine warn that DV rates there may be rising.

Roosh, if he knows any of this, doesn’t really give a shit.

There will always be an unfortunate level of violence between man and woman, but any attempt to fix it through random laws and policies, as has been done in America, will only make it worse. Nature, in spite of its flaws, is more often right than wrong.

Forgive me, but I really hope that Roosh is eaten by a bear.

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LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Fibinachi

The fable is even more amusing to me because I’m reading a book on the behavior of social insects. Sssh, nobody tell Roosh about parasitic wasps! Or that most bees and ants you see are female! Or really anything that would ruin his perfect little fairy tale!

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Oh, LBT, did you get the thing? If so, sorry it was late. If not, kick me in face.

Karalora
Karalora
8 years ago

@LBT

It gets better. Worker bees–which are all female, remember–have no father. Not even genetically. A worker bee is what you get from an unfertilized bee egg. So really, if you’re trying to write an Aesop’s Fable about how much women neeeeeeed men and should be grateful that they hit us because it shows how much they care…bees are about the worst animal you could use.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

I did! Thank you very much! *bows* Your contributions have funded two wee stories already, and I plan to be writing more.

Also, in off-topic but related news… I may have a patron again! A fairly minor one, but still, I’m quite excited.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Karalora

No kidding. Especially since from what I understand, the male bees are entirely drones, who exist PURELY to fertilize the queen. Seriously, the only species worse for Roosh’s message would be the freakin’ anglerfish.

Karalora
Karalora
8 years ago

Crap…I got that wrong. It’s the drones that have no father.

Still…you can’t meaningfully illustrate human gender relations using hymenopterans.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

LBT, It’s just that I don’t trust pay to be my pal, at all. But I’m glad it went through. The reason it took a little longer was because I had to fight a bullshit eviction notice that it turns out I shouldn’t have gotten in the first place. Gahhhh…But I’m relieved it finally worked.

Karalora
Karalora
8 years ago

Also, haplodiploidy is REALLY REALLY interesting, because it throws all the usual assumptions about kin selection and “percentage of relatedness” out of whack.

Tristan Gareth-Grey
8 years ago

Between the sexism in my regular life & the sexism I read about online, I feel like I’m going to lose it.

Roosh would be the perfect replacement for me in my non-family, because he & my non-father would get along perfectly with their misogynistic bullshit. Plus, he & my younger non-brother could make sick sexist jokes, & then laugh about how my non-brother isn’t paying child support.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Michael Sondberg Olsen

Yeah, I kinda side-eye Paypal too… but unfortunately, it’s what a lot of people use. I might try and put together a different method of online payment at some point, but probably not in the near future. Sorry for the trouble!

RE: Tristan Gareth-Grey

Then you might want to take a break from this site. It can break the hardiest souls, and a lot of folks, including David himself, take breaks from the awful.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

@Karalora

Challenge accepted.

There are many wonderful creatures in the world. Some of which are hymenopterans – it’s a word referencing the wings of some insects, a membrane wing (A hymen pteron) – scuttling creatures that ranges from ants to saw flies to wasps, to other, stranger things.

You can some make some generalization about hymenopterans, no matter what species or family they actually belong to, like: “They generally have compound eyes” or “They rely on haplodiplody, which basically means that a fertilized egg becomes a diploid female and a unfertilized act can develop into a haploid male”.

Some think this feature is what makes many social insects, well, social – because their generally close genetic relation makes cooperation and kin selection more favorable to the hive.

JUST LIKE HUMAN SEXUALITY, it can be difficult to describe hymenopterans in entirely succicent, focused detail, because many small variations take place within the large order. For instance, many have compound eyes, but the exact make up and features of those eyes can vary by species.

Many people like kissing other people, but the exact nature of those people can vary from person to person, and some don’t like to kiss at all.

Some hymenopterans like to eat other insects of their kind, but others are simple herbivores. Many colony insects gather pollen from flowers, and others again are parasitic against the very same.
Hell, some of them have parasitic against common parasites (A term I just learned was hyperparasitoid)

Remind you of anything, gentle reader? Some people, I’m told, like some things and others like other things. Hell, only last night, I was reading about a trio who dressed up in black blacavas, chased someone round a park and finally bundled the person into a vehicle, then drove to an undisclosed location to eat cake.

People are varied! Just like insects.

Indeed, just like the majestic Blue Planet, curling in space…

… This has been NatureGarble, with your host, Fibinachi’s Tired Brain.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

“There will always be an unfortunate level of violence between man and woman, but any attempt to fix it through random laws and policies, as has been done in America, will only make it worse”

No laws or policies are random, he clearly doesn’t understand either law making or policy making. Sure, there are some bad laws and policies from time to time – ones typically based on ideology and not evidence, or ones rushed through because of the perception that immediate action is required – but on the whole there are reasons for laws and policies.

Does he think that governments have an excel sheet of numbered law/policy ideas and when the random number generator produces the next value, that one goes on the books? Or there is something similar to the online Shakespeare quote generator, but for laws and policies?

Being charitable this morning, I assume he means random laws and policies == any laws and policies I [he] don’t agree with.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Well, LBT, If I’m not locked up or dead by the time next month rolls its lazy ass around, I think I’ll send more.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Far be it from me to turn down financial support! Especially when it means I get to use my trip for writing research as well. (Seriously, a bunch of these places, I am going SPECIFICALLY as world-building for stories, not just my own amusement.)

Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
8 years ago

zomg –

I clicked that masochists link, just cause Dave had specified the other forms of fail, why not this one?

I get to the “triple nutshot” video and immediately see links to “best nutshot compilation ever” and similar videos.

Now I’m here lolsobbing, b/c I all I can think is that in Idiocracy there was an “Ow! My Balls!” show, but IRL we have 24-hour Ow! My Balls! youtube channels.

Really?

Really?

sigh

kittehserf
8 years ago

Shorter Roosh: I want to be able to rape and beat women without being afraid of the remote chance I might end up in prison.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

LBT, you can use it for snacks for all I care. Where are you going, though?

kittehserf
8 years ago

Tristan Gareth-Grey – hugs if you would like them. 🙁

Kiwi Girl, hellkell, good to see you back!

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Doosh and FiddlyBogan sprang lurched from the same stock? They look almost interchangable.

grumpycatisagirl
8 years ago

Maybe they are the same person. That’s a slightly comforting thought – that there are not really two of them.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Just coming here to say that Richard Dawkins is still an asshole, in case there was any question. If child sexual abuse is triggering to you, do not click this link.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Fuck, he is a piece of shit. Him and his goddamn universalising. “Oh, it didn’t hurt me, what are you making such a fuss about?”

Ally S
8 years ago

I hated Dawkins when I was a conservative Muslim, and I hate Dawkins as a liberal non-religious person. And my reason has been constant: he’s a huge asshole who doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

OK, christ, not ever going to listen to anything Dawkins has to say ever again.

I mean, I thought he had some good points and a tendency for foot in mouth disease, but jesus.

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