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The Last of Us: Has evil feminism ruined the zombie apocalypse?

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A girl … in my video game?

So it’s true: Feminists have started ruining video games with all their feminism. At least according to some dude called pullupjumper on MGTOWforums who recently wrote a post warning his fellow red pill dudebros about a little game called The Last of Us, which is not only filled with zombies but, get this, girls.

For anyone who plays video games as one of their hobbies, The Last of Us is a pretty fun game…. but…. The feminist messages were close to ruining a game I waited a year for… The game’s setting is in a zombie apocalyptic world and the basic story (no spoilers) is that this guy has to take a 14 year old girl across the country during the zombie apocalypse. Almost as soon as the story started, I knew pretty much every female character in the game (except for the main protagonists daughter) would be portrayed as a”bad ass” character. The message was clear, women are as strong as men… Even when they are only 14.

Also, there were some adult ladies in positions of authority!

During the game , the two main characters meet different survivor groups. Every group leader was a woman. The only group leader who was a man, was a bad guy. The main protagonist even said yes ma’am, no ma’am to these women.

CAN YOU IMAGINE.

Now before you all go, but isn’t this sort of complaining a little hypocritical, given that all these video game dudes got mad when that chick Anita Sarkeesian who isn’t even a real gamer because of boobies made those videos she totally stole all that money for because IT’S ONLY A GAME, LADY JEEZ DON’T RUIN EVERYTHING WITH YOUR STUPID GENDER ANALYSIS.

Well, no, it’s not totally hypocritical because, get this, the girls in The Last of Us are portrayed as being unnaturally strong and capable.

What was pretty funny though is that the 14 year old girl is able to fire a rifle THAT IS BIGGER THAN HER and fire it accurately.

This is a clear affront to the extreme naturalism and realism of a game about a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.

And clearly never before in video game history has any male character been portrayed as unnaturally strong or capable.

Yeah, this dude and his gun are totally realistic in every way.
Yeah, this dude and his gun are totally plausible.

Oh but it gets worse:

On the other hand, (not funny) another boy who was about the 14 year old girls age, was portrayed as weak, could not fight, could not shoot a gun and was just made to seem very weak. The Fems cant even leave their “girl power” out of the games.

A male character who is helpless and in need of rescue?

OH NO!

SAVE ME PRINCESS PEACH!

Happily, pullupjumper has an idea for a way to confront this creeping feminism:

Maybe, if any of you are interested, a couple of us can get together and start making our own games after these games become unbearable. What do you guys think?

Grimlock is right there with him:

I’m currently going to school for media arts and animation and am considering starting a small indy animation/film studio with a couple of guys from class. I also happen to be getting pretty good at 3d modeling … and even though i want to start with animation and film video games are my end game.

I don’t think I’d ever put an obvious message into a game, since I find pushing your belief onto others through mediums like videogames more than a little cunty, but will my games be misogynist? You better fucking believe it. Misogyny The likes of which will make duke nukem blush. I won’t need to tell you guys when I break into the industry, you’ll know it from the sheer uproar it’ll cause.

Misogyny … in video games? Now there’s a novel idea!

Oh, by the way, for new and/or extremely literal readers, I would like to point out that this post contains

sarcasm

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pecunium
9 years ago

My life not suck. My life cool, ok?

Really?

So cool that you out awesome the combined lives of the regulars?

Are you the spokesperson for a not too bland Beer From Mexico?

Because if you aren’t, good luck with that line of argument.

(honestly, I’ll bet my life is now, and has long been, a lot more awesome than yours).

It’s interesting to see what passes as “argumentation” in a smug echo chamber community of feminists. Ad hom.

See what I mean… yuo confuse insult, with ad hominem. Makes me wonder what else you have no clue about.

cloudiah
9 years ago

I know discussion is a prohibited activity when we are talking about feminism.

Ignoring that we discussed this for about 6 pages before you even showed up, and ignoring the content of that discussion.

I would just be wondering to see if you guys would be dishonest enough not to think that it would be a cause for a feminist uproar in case the gender of all the characters in the game was the opposite.

You mean like practically every game that exists? (I mean, what’s unusual about this game is that it almost gets it.)

You mean like the tropes that Anita Sarkeesian is examining now (and receiving rape and death threats for examining while female)?

You are so dense, the universe bends around you.

inurashii
inurashii
9 years ago

Rui. Sweetie. If you want a discussion, you have to make points.

Would it cause a feminist uproar if the genders were reversed? No. It would not cause a feminist uproar if the genders were reversed. Can you explain why it would?

You seem to have some ideas about feminism that don’t really match up with the opinions of … feminists. Where did you get those ideas?

You also seem to feel as though you’re making points and we are ignoring them. Can you tell us what those points are?

If you actually want us to engage with you, you have to actually make cogent statements that aren’t just masturbatory assumptions or strawmen. You can do that and we will discuss stuff with you, or you can keep doing what you’re doing and we will keep mocking you.

pecunium
9 years ago

know discussion is a prohibited activity when we are talking about feminism.

So discuss. You could, of course continue to just assert that we won’t interact, but that’s not our fault. You made an argument (re “The Last of Us”) it was shot down.

Then you went off about how mean we are for not taking your disingenuous nature for genius, made baseless accusations about how we argue and are pretending this is us avoiding some critique of feminism.

So go ahead, present a real critique of something (other than the decidedly deflated set of plaintive bleats you rehashed about the game), or go back to telling us (with no substantiation) how cool you are. Cause that’s really putting feminism in its place all right.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
9 years ago

“Today is the day I tried to reason with feminists.”

Dude, if you fail at reasoning, don’t blame us . . .

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

“(honestly, I’ll bet my life is now, and has long been, a lot more awesome than yours).”

Dude *I* have a more interesting life than his and I can’t handle employment! (Idk about awesome, considering the results of the tank swap, but certainly interesting [oh and the back pressure from my attempts to stop the clicking from being every 5 seconds has resulted in a drip, I have a bucket between my tank and sump])

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
9 years ago

Good luck with the drying water, though. Combating global warming would be a worthwhile use of your time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
9 years ago

A progression:

That’s what I can remember from the top of my head. Did it ruin the game? Is it evil? That type of paranoia is more akin to feminists. The game continued to be awesome. However, was it pathetically blatant. /blockquote>

It adds nothing to the story apart from sending a feminist message. /blockquote>

. It didn’t make me angry, I’m not a bigot/blockquote>

About the game, there’s no conspiracy. It was just a pathetic attempt of the creators of being politically correct

I would just be wondering to see if you guys would be dishonest enough not to think that it would be a cause for a feminist uproar in case the gender of all the characters in the game was the opposite. Seriously, that is just plain and simple dishonesty.

I have a question.
If the narrative of the story does not make you angry, AND this narrative is just pathetic political correctness, WHY would feminists be in an uproar if “gender of all the characters in the game was the opposite?”
… Because then it would be manly men in control of everything, you playing a badass female smuggler helping a young boy across the country?
Weird.
It’s almost as if a fictional world that’s clearly just a pathetic fantasy somehow still causes people viewing it to experience emotions
And, more so, it’s almost as if you… Wait-a-second, if this is a clear case of political correctness gone mad, then most other games would not be like that, right? That’s logic? This is “Going Too Far, it’s pathetical”, so most other games don’t go that far, and most other games have men in charge of everything and being awesome and this is all right, this is okay, that’s perfectly normal.
… So the moment something has the slightest bit of “women occasionally in charge”, it’s pathetic and wrong? Even if the game is still admittedly both entertaining and good?.
So you don’t object to the nature of the story (Again, why the fuck did no one in this future have a medical degree? BLOOD SAMPLES, PEOPLE), you don’t object to the presentation, the gameplay, the overall narrative of apocalyptic survival, humanity and the dawning of a new age…
… your problem is the pathetic women in charge. Am I right in understanding it like that?
What, you don’t think that’s a fucking problem? Even more so if merely reversing the genders would showcase a serious problematic with the balances? And you even state that other feminists POINT THAT OUT?
So ultimately, you don’t like women in charge of things.
And penultimately, that requires you to think women should not be in charge of things.
Scamper of, Mr. Awesome. Your conviction is trite.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
9 years ago

GODDAMMIT.

Oh bother.

A progression:

That’s what I can remember from the top of my head. Did it ruin the game? Is it evil? That type of paranoia is more akin to feminists. The game continued to be awesome. However, was it pathetically blatant

It adds nothing to the story apart from sending a feminist message.

. It didn’t make me angry, I’m not a bigot

About the game, there’s no conspiracy. It was just a pathetic attempt of the creators of being politically correct

I would just be wondering to see if you guys would be dishonest enough not to think that it would be a cause for a feminist uproar in case the gender of all the characters in the game was the opposite. Seriously, that is just plain and simple dishonesty.

I have a question.
If the narrative of the story does not make you angry, AND this narrative is just pathetic political correctness, WHY would feminists be in an uproar if “gender of all the characters in the game was the opposite?”
… Because then it would be manly men in control of everything, you playing a badass female smuggler helping a young boy across the country?
Weird.
It’s almost as if a fictional world that’s clearly just a pathetic fantasy somehow still causes people viewing it to experience emotions
And, more so, it’s almost as if you… Wait-a-second, if this is a clear case of political correctness gone mad, then most other games would not be like that, right? That’s logic? This is “Going Too Far, it’s pathetical”, so most other games don’t go that far, and most other games have men in charge of everything and being awesome and this is all right, this is okay, that’s perfectly normal.
… So the moment something has the slightest bit of “women occasionally in charge”, it’s pathetic and wrong? Even if the game is still admittedly both entertaining and good?.
So you don’t object to the nature of the story (Again, why the fuck did no one in this future have a medical degree? BLOOD SAMPLES, PEOPLE), you don’t object to the presentation, the gameplay, the overall narrative of apocalyptic survival, humanity and the dawning of a new age…
… your problem is the pathetic women in charge. Am I right in understanding it like that?
What, you don’t think that’s a fucking problem? Even more so if merely reversing the genders would showcase a serious problematic with the balances? And you even state that other feminists POINT THAT OUT?
So ultimately, you don’t like women in charge of things.
And penultimately, that requires you to think women should not be in charge of things.
Scamper of, Mr. Awesome. Your conviction is trite.

Shiraz
Shiraz
9 years ago

Is the outrage even real? These little misters crying, “Waaah! The hero is a girl! Waaah! How do you think that makes me feel?!” This would be a fair complaint if they’ve never seen a film with a white male protagonist in it — but that would also mean they live under a rock or pay rent in Reverse World.
If you want to be all “Waaah! Women want equal representation in pop culture??! No! Noooo! It’s not fair!” then owe what that means — you need to see men in charge — even in games to feel secure and good about yourself. Women heroes piss you off? No, that’s not something you get to feel indignant about.

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

RE: katz

And remember, kids, Muslims are physically incapable of thinking critically about their religion.

I want to introduce him to Eboo Patel, but his mind might explode.

RE: Rui Arruda

You never played a Roberta Williams game, did you? *shakes head sadly* Seriously, you act as though the Last of Us was so out there, when you had King’s Quest VII going EVEN FURTHER a decade ago. (Two female protagonists, with agency, and a female villain. Also the princess rescues her love interest twice over.)

Alice
Alice
9 years ago

To the MRA mind, any form of criticism, no matter how mild or warranted, is always construed as some sort of male shaming tactic. They use this catalog as armor, and see logical fallacies in every argument. Every argument but (surprisingly) their own.

http://manboobz.com/2011/11/13/showdown-mencallmethings-versus-the-catalogue-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/

And I hate to link to A Voice for Abusers, but in case you needed to see how this so called catalog can be interpreted to encompass anything and everything:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/the-catalog-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

Also, I’m curious how Rui felt about Portal II. You know, since GlaDos is the villain, Chell is the hero (with agency, even!) and Wheatley was specfically designed to be incompetent.

But that was just feminist pap, am I right, guys? Nobody played THAT game!

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Rui thinks he tried to reason? That’s so cute.

tooimpurenangel
9 years ago

This thread rose from the dead! Like a zombie!

Umm, this Rui is totally reminding me of a troll that was around when I first started lurking. The dude that was into a Song of Ice and Fire and seemed to be convinced that women in heels were a conspiracy to make his boner sad?

I don’t remember a name, sorry =(

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Sad boner cuz heels was an NWO thing, I don’t recall him being into the Song of Fire and Ice though…the naïf maybe? (Diogenes)

cloudiah
9 years ago

The troll into ASOIAF and upset by high heels was Mr. Al.

tooimpurenangel
9 years ago

Yes, that’s the one!
Thank you, cloudiah. =)

tooimpurenangel
9 years ago

I feel kinda creepy remembering the trolls. Maybe I spent too much time lurking, lol.

LBT
LBT
9 years ago

Oh wait, did I say King’s Quest VII was almost a decade ago? Sorry, I meant TWO. Yeah, computer games were breaking this ground TWO FUCKING DECADES AGO.

Now, can whiny gamers as a whole just MOVE ON already? They’re twenty years out of date!

Fade
9 years ago

In the game, all leaders are women, all of the women are admirable. All men are despicable

I’m sorry, in one game did men not get portrayed as more competent and women got more representation? Let me get out my tiny violin.

There’s no arguing that the game showcases all women in it as superior to all men in the game.

But… fibinachi literally just argued it. So…

Now, if the genders in the game were opposite… I know of a movement that would have fuel for another decade of angry militancy lol.it would have very much resembled a lot of our popular media and video games and the MRAs would have not noticed d

ftfy

@Rui

OKay, so even if your right, and the last of us is explicitly feminist, what is your point?

It was just a pathetic attempt of the creators of being politically correct.

Because whenever women are portrayed as powerful and/or positive in video games, its b/c of PCness. Not because women compose half the population and therefore should compose about half the powerful and half the positive characters in videogames. 😐

@Cloudiah

p.s. Is anyone else getting a Steele/Mr. Al vibe? If it’s just me, than nevermind…

idk, thats my gut instinct, but I haven’t seen much of MR al.

Also, Im totally going to have to use that “your so dense, the universe bends around you” thing later XD

cloudiah
9 years ago

I can’t claim credit for that “so dense” line, though right now I can’t remember who came up with it. But it’s a good one, and definitely applied to our two (?) trolls.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
9 years ago

I don’t pertain to a movement based on ideas such as a millenial subjugation of one gender by the other one.

Assuming you meant “subscribe” or something else more relevant than “pertain”: are you saying you don’t believe that women have ever been oppressed by men?

Lol it feels funny to be subject to the famous feminist paranoia

In what way have you been subject to paranoia? Has anyone claimed to feel threatened by you?

Seeing your posts is a lot like being talked at by my mother: We don’t actually need to participate, since you appear to be filling in our responses in your head and then responding to them. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch, actually.

Without anything more specific, it means absolutely nothing. It’s politico-speak, of a kind with the propaganda of the the conservative right.

Dude, that was kind of a stretch. Admit it.

I actually see no reason to assume that these idiots are in fact the same idiot. Am I missing something?

Rui Arruda
Rui Arruda
9 years ago

Just to point out another bit of you guys’ paranoia: I’m not related to any organization. I think I’ve heard of the MRA but if someone asked me before what it is without a context I wouldn’t know what it is.

Stop projecting your own faults on me. I don’t dedicate myself in the name of a movement or organization. I have my own sense of critic and that is what I follow.

A critical, independent person cannot be a feminist. For a person to be a feminist nowadays they must either be unaware of a lot of scientifical data, or dedicated to the movement rather than to the truth and thus… Well, do what you guys did here. Anything to defend it, including not even taking into account opposite arguments, but instead mocking words surrounding it.

For someone to have the level of engagement to that movement so that they are habitual commenters on a feminist blog, it is obvious they have to be in such a state of denial that no reasonable argument could be held. In your world of denial, a person who took his time to describe all the characters of a game to show a point is a troll, not the ones who answered with childish avoidant jokes or even curse words. You guys are deeply dellusional.

Consider this: if feminists had secretly paid the game studio to make a game a feminist game and thus support their political position, would you guys ever admit it? No, you wouldn’t, because you live to defend the group, and not the truth. I already said the developers were just attempting to be politically correct and I’m not making up a conspiracy. But the point is you would do EVERYTHING to deny it. It could be as evident as possible, but you guys would deny it for the sake of defending your group.

You guys are nothing more than sports fans arguing in favor of your team. The general public is starting to notice it, and the mockery is changing sides… Not a good time to be a Feminist fan.

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