Hey, hostile visitors! Do you have an opinion about, for example, Mary Koss’ rape research? Do you want to discuss it even though the topic has not actually come up by itself in any of the threads and none of my recent posts really have much to do with the specifics of anyone’s rape research? Well, from now on you can discuss it here with anyone who wishes to follow you to this thread.
Added bonus: If you continue to try to discuss it in other threads you’ll be banned!
This also applies to future derailers riding hobbyhorses of their own having nothing to do with Koss.
Happy discussing!
Note: If you wish to discuss the topics at hand, you know, topics directly related to my posts and/or to what other people are discussing and that aren’t, you know, personal hobbyhorses of yours that involve long screeds and various things that you’ve probably already cut and pasted into the comments sections of various other websites until you were banned from them for endless derailing and general asswipery, feel free to remain in the original threads.
Sorry about the mis-gendering. The holmes part reads as very male, for some reason. With cheekbones and a gravelly voice.
/cumberbatch
(and Star Trek comes out in two weeks? Hmmmmm)
@Archaeoholmes
I’m sorry, I assumed howardbann1ster knew your PGPs so I used the ones that he used.
What are your preffered gender pronouns?
Yes, please Howard
Archaeoholmes – “@Joe Your framing of causes and types of domestic violence between men and women is a bit thin. You can’t say “40/60 split” like that and think there is any equivalence between the two. If you are as interested in domestic violence issues as you appear, I’m guessing you know this. You either don’t think these differences matter (they do), or you’re being disingenuous.”
Bullshit. More minimising of the suffering of men and boys.
This is EXACTLY the kind of disgusting rhetoric aimed at stopping men getting help, that gets thrown around so often. You, archeoholmes are part of the problem. You contribute to society not giving a fuck about men with this crap.
I was a victim of DV (at the hands of my father) when I was a boy, as were other members of my family; male and female.
At least two men members of of my family that I know of suffered repeated physical violence including strangling, punching and scratching (drawing blood) at the hands of their female partners.
I have read far too many cases of men beaten with weapons and having boiling water thrown on them, by their female partners.
So do fuck right off.
Argenti – “Dude, for about the fourteenth time this thread, not all men need to be advantaged for men as a group to have privilege. It’s a mind blowing simple concept.”
It’s mind blowingly simple bullshit.
It’s a lie.
It’s stereotyping and discrimination.
It’s dogma that contributes powerfully to shut men up when they ask for help.
It’s a BIG part of how society minimises men’s suffering and keeps them isolated.
It contributes to men’s despair and men’s suicide.
That’s what it is.
Argenti – “And do not, do not attempt to appropriate the suicide of someone you never ever heard of before he died to try to prove your tedious point about how privilege doesn’t exist. There was a point, very recently, that I couldn’t go year without someone I knew committing suicide. All men. Hell, all but one where white cis men. You do NOT get to lecture me on how that means white cis men, as a group, are not privileged.”
That so many men around you KILLED THEMSELVES, and yet you still cling to your bullshit dogma that they had it soooooo good, shows how entirely callous, self-serving and unthinking you are.
People you know killed themselves, but you cannot resist going on and on about those people’s so-called “privelege”. Fuck that.
And you absolutely ARE victim blaming men. Further, you’re willfully obtuse: you claim that if only men sought all this help supposedly available they wouldn’t kill themselves. Well, Earl sought help – and there was fuck all available, for him or any other men.
I actually like “he”. I am a dykey bi housewife, but he or she is fine.
I’m late, but oh, GNL you are so sad:
The strawfeminists are in your head and not real, all you’ll be doing is playing with yourself. Haven’t you had enough of that on this thread?
Shut up, Joe.
Lol, I feel like that would’ve lead to me screaming and running as far away as fast as possible
Okay, so archaeoholmes, I do not get what you’re saying? I mean, are you saying it’s illogical to value people above animals? … I feel like we have a miscommunication here…
Maine Coons are a bit doglike in behavior. Easy to train, often like to fetch things, not really very aloof in general. I like them. It’s good that they grow slowly too, if you think about the skeletal problems that a lot of big dogs get when they grow too fast.
@ Bad_dog
Yeah, I was trying to get at how profoundly creepy a lot of PETAs advertising is. It would be less creepy if it didn’t look so much like a lot of porn already does. Which I know they think makes it cool and eye-catching and effective, but like elodie said, what is the message that you are communicating, and is it the one you intended to send?
(I suspect that it is, which just makes me dislike them even more.)
… Do you not understand how statistics works? I mean, I got my knee kicked repetetively by a family member, but I still don’t think DV occurs mostly in the situation it occured as it did to me.
/// No, that is the patriarchy.
Shorter Joe — it’s impossible to care about someone personal while recognizing that in many aspects they where more privileged than other people.
And saying that some people have privilege because of discrimination against other people is discriminating against them.
Up at 5: reverse racism!
I’m unapologetic for thinking the suffering of animals is not insignificant. They love their children, they feel pain and fear, they loathe frightening environments, they want pleasure and happiness. They don’t want to live in feedlots and cages their whole lives, just to die a frightening and ignominious death, Imagine being born, living a crap life and dying like that.. To me that’s uncontroversial, ever owned a pet who wants to live that way? Ever admired a wild animal who would dig it? You are an animal like them, and you would hate it. It’s absurd the way people deny it so they can go and buy Maccas on the way home from work.
As for @Joe fuck off
Um, I don’t think that suffering of animals is insignificant… I don’t recall saying that.
I recall saying I think that people come first, and given peta’s campaigns, I don’t think they think that.
All people who don’t agree with archeoholmes ignore the suffering of animals so they can eat at McDonalds, because we have apparently moved on to the communicating entirely in cliches and stereotypes portion of today’s conversation.
Oh well, it will make the thread feel nice and welcoming if any new trolls show up to give us their talking points.
I don’t think people come first. There are millions of species, and they all want to live happily too.
@archaeoholmes:
Um, yeah, that’s not helpful.
I’m actively trying to help animals. I take in rescue animals. I’m working towards living in a way that minimizes animal suffering as much as I can.
We disagree that PETA is helpful to the overall project. I think they actually may do more harm than good. That the way they frame things not only adds to overall human suffering but also doesn’t help reduce animal suffering AT ALL.
That’s always been Joe’s primary schtick.
Let me see if I can find the first time he called me a racist.
Cassandra. Be assured, you can keep eating McDonalds. Jeez.
I am genuinely curious about why you are so obsessed with McDonalds, and so convinced that anyone who doesn’t agree with you loves the place. It comes across as incredibly intellectually lazy.
@Fade – the Home Office statistics are:
60/40 women/men victims of domestic violence.
Stats that archeoholmes tried to hand wave away by minimising men’s suffering. Just like you did right there. Again.
“Male privelege” dogma bullshit is absolutely a contributor to the minimising of men’s suffering. Both Argenti and archaeoholmes have just used it to do EXACTLY that, in this very thread.
The only way to fix your cognitive dissonance is if you believe that Argenti, archaeoholmes and a whole shitload of feminists are part of the “patriarchy”.
P.S. Patriarchy was when a man was “head-of-the-household” and had power over the members of his family. That is looooong over in the West. Done and gone the way of the dodo and it’s clearly not coming back.
(The whole MacDonalds thing is even weirder if you’ve ever lived in the Bay Area. I don’t even know where the closest McDonalds to me is. I think there’s one on Market Street in San Francisco?)
@Howard That’s excellent, should do that, I always make the excuse of no time. On the other hand, buying meat is the single most cruel decision you can make, regarding animals, in your everyday life. It just is. That isn’t a helpful suggestion, as you say, But the way meat is produced is unspeakably cruel. I can start trailing links behind my posts, but you guys know this.
Ugh…
well, I guess we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. Like, I mean, is this even a thing? Given how many marginalized groups have been denigrated by being compared to animals, I am so… ugh when people try to pull that we’re the human animal card or w/e.
If I had to chose between rescuing a human from a fire and rescuing my sister’s guinea pigs, I’d go for the human.
Things animals don’t come first in:
Voting (because they’re not sentient and even if they were they can’t communicate with us)
It’s okay to own them (people have already pointed out that it’s not a bad thing for people to have pets)
And like wtf?
Shorter Joe: anyone who disagrees with me is minimizing men’s suffering.
Also, if Argenti (or whoever was mentioning the survey’s statistics) is right, and they include different levels of violence as the same thing (as in being smacked vs being punched really hard), wouldn’t that actually minimze men’s suffering. By saying that when they’re punched really hard, it’s just the same thing as a smack?
PS saying something wrong over and over does not make it right.
Watch:
The sky is green. The sky is green. The sky is green
Huh, still blue.
Cassandra, believe me, maccas is the least of my worries. Checks this out
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-20/police-asked-to-investigate-turkey-cruelty/4585350
The single. Most. Cruel.
See, I’d much rather focus on the fact that agricultural workers are paid way, way too little, in which case there’s no way to eat that isn’t cruel. Not that you can’t care about both at the same time, but I really do not think that it is the single most cruel thing.
Any regarding animals? Are people included here, or not? It’s hard to tell with the way you’re talking.