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Thread for Hostile Visitors to Endlessly Rehash the Issues They Have With Feminist Research or Whatever

Hey, hostile visitors! Do you have an opinion about, for example, Mary Koss’ rape research? Do you want to discuss it even though the topic has not actually come up by itself in any of the threads and none of my recent posts really have much to do with the specifics of anyone’s rape research? Well, from now on you can discuss it here with anyone who wishes to follow you to this thread.

Added bonus: If you continue to try to discuss it in other threads you’ll be banned!

This also applies to future derailers riding hobbyhorses of their own having nothing to do with Koss.

Happy discussing!

Note: If you wish to discuss the topics at hand, you know, topics directly related to my posts and/or to what other people are discussing and that aren’t, you know, personal hobbyhorses of yours that involve long screeds and various things that you’ve probably already cut and pasted into the comments sections of various other websites until you were banned from them for endless derailing and general asswipery, feel free to remain in the original threads.

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BigMomma
13 years ago

Yeah, I reckon Mr BM is more chill because he’s more athletic and more of a risk taking optomist than I am.

We Portuguese Man o’Wars round here more often than anything more deadly. By Australian standards, we live in a fairly benign spot.

Hey archeoholmes…you OK about the bat? Me, I’d be freaking!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
13 years ago

Lol, my mother’s response to being dragged all over Boston in frigid weather? “We’re ordering room service”

To me being atop three story scaffolding at the “edge” of the stage (it was a good 10′ in and the brake was on, and I was like 16)? “Just tell me she’s busy next time” — she’d come to pick me up and asked the technical director where I was.

My continual insistence on climbing counters and desks? “Be careful up there”

She was paranoid when I was tiny. As in, called the doctor over a “strange rash” when I had a tiny sunburn.

But bats? I can’t mention them without her flipping out.

So, archeoholmes, you have more composure in the face of bats than my mother does. (She also hates birds.)

BigMomma
13 years ago

Lol, elodie

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
13 years ago

Ducks are probably more aggressive than rays. A least, I’d take a ray over a donkey any day.

Another lovely childhood story — she knew there was trouble when I got off the bus with a pumpkin. Paraphrasing my mother about a field trip to an apple orchid (with pumpkin patch), in kindergarten, where I got bit by a flippin’ donkey.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

Love the bat. I mean so excited. He’s gone in the roof. Love bats

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

LOL X 2. My mother used to describe bringing up a kid as trying to prevent them from inadvertently killing themselves. In retrospect, totally my fault. I loved standing on the edges of cliffs too! And diving off of all the high things! And my mother was terrified of heights.

Dogs, though…do not pet the wild dogs in Libya, young child! No, not even if they look really cute and friendly! They do not want to be your friends, but they might want you to be their dinner if you’re small enough.

Of course I tried to pet them too. And then one chased me and backed me into a corner, so I smacked it on the nose. The words “you did WHAT?” were uttered when I got home.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

There are so many wild animals living in my house. I have a possum, a family of antichinus, and several rattus rattus, never mind the pigeon and cats

BigMomma
13 years ago

My first child had a febrile convulsion when she was a baby and stopped breathing for a split second (it’s quite common apparently, not that I knew or appreciated it at the time). She was hospitalized 3 times in the first 18months with temps of 40°, oxygen sats of low 80s. She came through OK thankfully

what this means is that my second child, who has rarely been sick, had the occasional raised temp,normal kid illnesses etc…well it prompts the same inner panic when she gets ill and the poor thing suffers a bit from my constant checking on her. Even though I know I’m overreacting. Being a parent is a hot mess of insecurities at times!

elodieunderglass
13 years ago

Don’t try to catch the bat unless you are reasonably good at handling animals! Let it fly into a room, then shut the door and open the window. They can usually find their own way out.

If you want to catch the bat, don’t grab it – it’s upset, and will bite. Offer an option for it to shelter in, such as a small attractive dark box. If you go mad and MUST grab it, lightly toss a cloth over it, such as a light scarf.

Try to secure your dogs/cats.

My mother would advise you to chase it around the house with a vacuum cleaner on reverse – so it blows air out – with the idea that the bat will fly away from the sound and the blowing air. This works beautifully. However, once she didn’t have the vacuum on reverse, and she vacuumed the bat up.

Note that bats are NOT blind, but it will likely be disoriented. It will not bite you, jump out at you or try to land in your hair. It will blunder around hurting itself and will eventually shelter in a dark corner like the folds in a curtain.

*advice only applies in rabies-free areas! Rabid bats are not your friend.
source: I am very good at getting bats out of houses.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

Bats are basically like flying mice, right? But with bigger ears? They always look sort of mouse-like to me.

Mr C finds this very odd and does not see the cuteness. This may be because his biggest fear is rats, so mice get a sort of guilt by association in his mind.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

Yes, we leave the window open always (this has happened before), but they always wriggle into the roof. There are ways out for them from there. No rabies here.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

Cassandra, they are really cute, and look so so small with their wings folded

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

Are bats soft (the body, not the wings)? They always look sort of fuzzy.

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

I wouldn’t dare hold one, but they look very soft. So cuuuute!

Fade
13 years ago

I’m sure you can find some convoluted way to argue that trying to help battered men is misogyny, b

Literally no one is saying this.

The issue with radfems, or the major one anyways, is their goddamned transphobia

Definitely. /ugh

– ^Nice victim blaming there, jerk.

Do you even know what victim blaming means? There are social forces at work that make men feel like they have to be strong or w/e all the time, and that ridicule men who get beat up by women. how is it victim blaming to admit this? Do

Being told he wasn’t a victim, because: man.

See, this is what the above blockquote pertained to. Nobody here is saying that men can’t be victims. We’re saying generally the patriarchy enforces that idea, and we have to dismantle those attitudes.

He should’ve just pulled out his Magic Man Privelege Card and alll his problems would have vanished. Amiright?

Also, do you even know what privilged means? Right now you seem to have a five-year-old’s definition.

Don’t even start with that horseshit.

I’m sorry you are unable to confront reality?

There just isn’t a good basis to say we are “equal” when we are so different.

I’m sorry that you are an alien from outer space who has only seen the alleged huge differences between the sexes through stereotyped media. Here on earth, you should know that men and women are part of the same species, as we have yet to perfect the technology of asexual reproduction

He’s running for office? Oh how I wish his campaign speeches could be televised. I’d buy chips and salsa and throw a party just for the lulz.

Can you imagine if his enemies responded to his ickier quotes? “No, that was just troll bait! I don’t actually think that!”

Arch:It’s not 60/40
Me: So it’s 100% Heteromen beating women.
Arch: I didn’t say that.
Me: well then what is the break down
Arch: [insert low random non-zero number]
Me: Wonderful. So Silverman should have been able to get [random non-zero number]% of the money used to fund shelters for people escaping domestic violence. He could have opened 5 shelters with that much money.

So is your ‘hyperbole tactic’ you just wanting other people to make your arguments for you?

Also, you know how earlier we were trying to figure out who was the least honest troll? I feel like we have two of them on this thread: firstjoe and gnl

I actually don’t find Joe funny at all. Of all the resident trolls, I think he may be the biggest bore and I hate that about him.

Ugh, thank you! I can’t stand joe. Maybe b/c earlier instead of getting into an argument with me, he said that I should give away all my stuff because it would be enlightening.

He goes to some very far lengths to not provide any citations…

I actually find, on very odd occasions, that PEMRA demonstrates a hint of personality.

This. It weirds me out..

I wonder how many of them actually give a hoot about men in need of shelters, or men committing suicide? Like you said, they don’t do anything to help. I get the feeling it’s just another thing to scream about, something else to blame women for, much like when they were fifteen and didn’t get out of bed after being called three times and missed the exam and it’s all your fault, Mum!

Exactly. It’s all something they try to use to deny male privilege because IF MALE PRIVILEGE EXISTS, HOW COME THERE WAS THIS ONE GUY WHO DIDNT LIVE A PERFECT LIFE, HUH!?!!!?

Checkmate, feminists.

They routinely compare women to animals. Not people, which I could understand considering their message, but women.

Peta is disgusting. I am all for animal rights, but I think people come first. And given lots of their campaigns, it seems like THEY don’t. At least if those people are women.

If peta actually wanted to try something new with their caged human idea, they could put white, ablebodied men in their cages. It’d be much more risky to dehumanize people who already haven’t been dehumanized

If you want to catch the bat, don’t grab it – it’s upset, and will bite.

I am terrified of bats because I looked it up when I was obsessed with rabies and figured out they carry most of the cases of rabies in my state.

Even after I’m less scared, I still wind up checking the corners of my bedroom most nights before I go to sleep

This works beautifully. However, once she didn’t have the vacuum on reverse, and she vacuumed the bat up.

🙁

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

@Fade I can’t make a single argument why people should come first, except, “But, we’re human!”

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

We all got a bit of species entitlement

Fade
13 years ago

/I’m sorry, but I can’t tell what you mean?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

BTW, here is your cute cat video for the morning. Worth noting – this cat isn’t fully grown yet.

(Maine Coons aren’t really fully grown till about 2 years old.)

howardbann1ster
13 years ago

Fade, he’s saying that valuing people above animals is ‘entitlement,’ that is ‘privilege.’

howardbann1ster
13 years ago

I can’t make a single argument why people should come first, except, “But, we’re human!”

I can. I can make a good one, a medium-good one, and a poor one.

This is kind of basic stuff. Seriously?

archaeoholmes
archaeoholmes
13 years ago

I dig how everyone thinks I’m a “he’.

Fade
13 years ago

@Cassandra

That cat is beautiful. For some reason, it reminds me of my dog, though. XD Maybe cuz they both have fluffy neck things

@Howard bann1ster.

I hope that’s not what he’s saying…. ug…. 😐

Bad_dog
Bad_dog
13 years ago

I wasn’t really going to comment on this as I’m not in the best mental shape right now (I’m going dump a truck load in the other thread here in a few) but I think I have a bit to add. Those PETA ads always made me really uncomfortable. If you take the one where the naked woman has her body parts labelled as meat and just label her “tits” and “ass” that’s basically how women are treated in the media most of the time anyway. That ad would work if women weren’t objectified regularly but the fact is that they are. Many of those ads, especially the one of woman in plastic posted earlier are pretty terrifying (and I can’t really articulate why and others here covered it better than I ever could).

Also as for animals having shitty lives? Some things animals are put through is horrible and I just think there are better ways of bringing real attention to the real issues rather than just a shock ad. Show pictures of facilities where animals are abused, outline what is animal abuse and how to stop it, educate people about where their food and animal products come from. These are all better ideas than showing a cut up woman on a billboard, which btw is no going to convert anyone to being vegetarian.

As an aside eating meat and the use of animal products is not a simple black and white issue. Work among hunters and trappers in the north and you may get some very conflicting opinions on it. Also research the areas of the world where eating meat is more sustainable than growing most crops because of the climate. We do have the responsibility to provide the animals in our care with a decent life and IMHO we’re not doing great at it, but it’s just not as simple and don’t use animals products evar!!11 Sometimes issues need to be tackled individually rather than just under a broad banner of animals rights. This such an important topic for me and I could go on forever because it is so nuanced, but tw bottom line is denigrating woman is never ok even if the issue they are drawing attention to is important. I have little respect for PETA, for a number of reasons, and will never support them. I do however support Sea Shepherd and my local humane society. As far as I am concerned they do more than PETA ever could.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
13 years ago

“If peta actually wanted to try something new with their caged human idea, they could put white, ablebodied men in their cages. It’d be much more risky to dehumanize people who already haven’t been dehumanized”

I’m not sure you meant risky, but either way, yes. Both more attention grabbing, in the good “what are they doing over there?” way, and more risk, in terms of men not being marginalized the way women are and thus people being more likely to actually take offense instead of gawking,

Take note Joe, this is how privilege works — posing you naked in bloody cellophane would be different, unusual. Posing women in such a manner is “sex sells”.

…not that you can grap why “sex sells” is a bad thing…

Bats! Fwiw, I live in an are a with rabies (lol, everywhere I’ve ever spent any time has rabies) and have had So Many encounters with bats. One was rabid and the poor thing kinda crash landed on the walking bridge I was on. More pathetic than scary. Point though is that the vast majority of bats are not rabid, and will continue their meandering if you just ignore them.

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