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Raw Story on The Top 5 Rape-Apologist Reactions to the Steubenville Verdicts [UPDATED]

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RawStory has a piece up highlighting The top 5 rape apologist reactions to the Steubenville rape verdict. It’s well worth reading. As the author of the piece, Emily Mullen, notes:

The Steubenville guilty verdict spawned nearly as much rape apology as the original news of the case did, highlighting the point — made by feminists like Zerlina Maxwell and Jaclyn Friedman — that America has a long way to go before it gets past blaming victims and sympathizing with rapists.

I haven’t yet run across any reactions in the Manosphere to the verdicts, but I’m sure we’ll see some in the next few days. If you run across anything especially awful, in the Manosphere or outside of it, please let me know.

Men’s Rights Redditors, currently silent about the verdicts, were up in arms the other day because Reuters was identifying the accused — now the convicted — rapists, while not identifying the victim. Or, as MRAs prefer to put it, the “alleged victim.” Now, as RawStory points out, she is getting death threats.

EDITED TO ADD: More victim blaming online, as catalogued on the Public Shaming blog: First post, second post with more.

Below,  Several examples borrowed from Public Shaming. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apology.

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Roosh the Douche
Roosh the Douche
9 years ago

@Argenti

Thanks for the block quote information. I’m kind of confused. I am not Roosh. Clearly I can’t stand the guy and I am totally against any and all forms of rape apologia. I’m sorry if that is not clear.

Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Whoops, no, it wasn’t. I, for one, figured you were Roosh attempting some self-defeating PUA trick. Just another problem with PUA!

In that case, let me offer a misandrist hard chair, matching bath towels, and SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES, deliver by female (whore) penguins in spanx.

ostara321
ostara321
9 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen I heard about it, but couldn’t stomach reading it. I’ve feigned passing out as a means of avoiding having to “make a scene” when finding myself drunk and alone with a guy who’s intentions I couldn’t be sure of. Of course in retrospect, I’ve realized (to my horror) that obviously unconscious is not enough of a deterrent for some guys (and is, indeed, sometimes seen as an opportunity) but at the time, “play dead” seemed like the best option rather than fight or flight. So yeah, not only is passed out obviously not consent because if someone is unconscious they cannot consent, but in my case, it was a way of trying to say “dear god please no.”

I agree to a certain extent, that yes, rape culture has totally warped perceptions of what consent is supposed to look like (or indeed, perceptions of it’s necessity) and am willing to concede on that point that yes, this kind of culture is partially to blame. However, this is why we need anti-rape education measures. This is why we need to teach people about consent (the enthusiastic kind even) and in doing so we have to hold people accountable when they do not bother with consent. That is part and parcel of dismantling the rape culture that enables this behavior to begin with. Demonstrating that these actions ARE in fact rape and DO in fact have consequences necessarily needs to be a part of dismantling a culture in which rape is seen as an inevitability.

Roosh the Douche (Not Really Roosh)
Roosh the Douche (Not Really Roosh)
9 years ago

Thank you, Argenti Aertheri, for your kind hospitality. I should probably change my name, but I can’t think of one at the moment.

Dvärghundspossen
9 years ago

To clarify, I don’t want to say that rape culture isn’t in part to blame – just that you can’t go from there to the conclusion that the guy himself is blameless. Someone who, in today’s society, rapes a woman, isn’t morally equivalent to, say, someone who owned slaves a thousand years ago and didn’t realize slavery was wrong.

Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

(Not really) Roosh — that’s my standard welcome package, but you’re welcome 🙂 (Hope you don’t mind me calling you that!)

talacaris
talacaris
9 years ago

Thomas at Yesmeansyes dissected that GMP article in two corresponding to each perspective http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/good-men-project-royse-versus-royse/
Seems like she had a bad case of cognitive dissonance.

Marie
Marie
9 years ago

@roosh

Alphas never rape women. Our panties just magically drop in their presence, and our vaginas automatically become red and inflamed like a hyenas, so no consent is necessary. Conversely, in the presence of nice guys, our vaginas fold in on themselves like a collapsed star.

Ok, apparently you’re here in good faith, but the phrasing just really wtf-ed my mind. Anyway, hello.

@pencuncium

Really…? Break into someone’s home in Ohio with the intent to steal something and you can spend as much as ten years in prison.

Thanks for the comparison. I didn’t have a frame of reference for other crimes. (I may have wondered about that on a different thread…)

“They were drunk, too. Therefor, they couldn’t consent to sex anymore than she could. Therefor, they were raped as much as she was.

ew. Fuck. I hate people. It’s a shame they raped her while unconscious…oh wait.

katz
9 years ago

Roosh, FWIW, I knew you weren’t the real Roosh 🙂

I think you confused people because your first post (that I saw) was a link to Roosh, so you looked just like one of those self-promoting PUA trolls. And I can very easily imagine one of them taking the epithet “the Douche” for whatever reason.

Roosh the Douche (Not Really Roosh)
Roosh the Douche (Not Really Roosh)
9 years ago

Ok, sorry folks. I guess I should have introduced myself instead of assuming you would know I was trying to be a parody of Roosh. I have lurked here for a few months and this particular post on Steubenville drew me out and made me want to comment. I’ve also read a lot of horrible stuff on the RooshV Forum and his other sites and it just disturbs the heck out of me. I am really so grateful for David Futrelle for having this site, and from what I can see you are all awesome people.

Marie
Marie
9 years ago

That last comment was a little unclear. by: ‘It’s a shame they raped her while unconscious…oh wait. I meant because she was unconscious, and they clearly weren’t unconscious. You don’t’ just accidental rape someone. The levels of drunkess were way different, and being drunk does not excuse raping someone. Idk my wording was kind of unclear. :/

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Marie – actually I thought “shame they raped her while unconscious” was a good dig at anyone comparing their states of inebriation. If they’d been in the same state she was, they wouldn’t have been raping anyone.

Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Marie — seconding kitteh on this one, I got a chuckle out of “shame they raped her while (they were) unconscious” — the “but they were both/all drunk” really does lend itself to a reductio ad absurdum.

Not Really Roosh, or whatever nym you prefer — sorry about mistake and assuming you were the actual Roosh! My sincere apologies for mistaking you for the likes of him.

And now it’s my bed time, because I’m pushing 30 hours awake (have I mentioned I run on coffee? XD )

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Niters Argenti!

Marie
Marie
9 years ago

@argenti aertheri

goodnight 🙂

And yay that I was understandable. I just wasn’t so sure 🙂

Jessay (@jessay)
9 years ago

“they did what most people in their situation would have done”

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