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Paul Elam on “stupid lying whores,” Rebecca Watson, and how he never claims to be a victim even though he totally is one.

Paul Elam, in a rare moment of calm

In the fast-paced, perpetually busy world of today, we don’t all have time to read every post on A Voice for Men. So here is an edited version of Paul Elam’s latest post, on Rebecca Watson of Skepchick. And whores. And how he personally doesn’t spend all his time claiming to be a victim, even though he totally is one, in case you forgot since the last time he reminded you of that.

Here’s Paul:

Whores … typical whore … Main Street walking, garden variety anybody’s whore … honest whore. … corporate whore … corporate whores … whorish sexual symmetry … stupid whore … stupid whore … whore … lying whore … whore  … lying whore … whore … lying whore … corporate whore … a lying whore can also be a corporate whore … whoring for the cause … whore … PZ Myers … stupid, lying whore … not just a lying whore who also happens to be a stupid whore … a different subspecies of whore altogether … stupid, lying whore … whore that rigorously abandons intellect, rationale, evidence, decency and compassion, and also fosters much deserved hostility toward themselves … stupid, lying whore … stupid, lying whore … .

Paul Elam, meet Tom Martin.

Speaking of stupid, lying whores, let’s discuss Rebecca Watson’s latest article … about how she and other women who trash and demonize men regularly are helpless victims, getting nasty emails and tweets from some people who don’t like it. … Once [sic] such comment came from an individual who penned, “Hope Dawkins will bestially rape you…in the elevator to hell.” …

I have a keeper file of death threats, but I never wrote an article about them. I have been hounded recently by half the media hacks in Canada …  it does not even compare to John the Other facing a gang of 20-30 assholes on the street, some wielding box cutters … 2 plus 2 equals stupid, lying, whining whore. What John and other MRAs are starting to encounter every day, and the future of what is to come, makes getting bestially raped by Richard Dawkins sound kinda funny. We just don’t get the luxury of playing the damsel in distress, nor do we want it.

There are maybe 1200 more words to his post, but I think you probably get the gist of it.

Watson’s post, by contrast, is worth reading in full.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Although “Seemins” is about Om Nom’s level as far as humor goes.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Someone posted this on Facebook…la awesome!

Denise
Denise
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous

My first semester in the dorms was brutal. I wish I had this awesome community here telling me that I wasn’t the only freak who was lonely and homesick. The first week of college, it seemed like everyone was hugging each other and telling stories to the group about how this is the first time in their lives they found real, true, meaningful friendship. And I could barely drag myself out of bed to go to my classes because I felt so alone.

It got better! I eventually found someone I did get along with (she lived in a different dorm) and through her I found the friend group I was meant to have.

I guarantee you, you’re not the only one feeling the way you are now.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

There’s also the option of finding friends who don’t live on campus, or even friends who don’t go to your uni. I moved to London (where my uni was) a while before uni started, and since I already knew a few people before it did start, ended up mostly hanging out with them rather than fellow students. There were quite a few people whose social life was mostly outside rather than inside student life – even if you end up not loving most of your fellow students, it’s not the end of the world.

Pickle Jello
Pickle Jello
9 years ago

Paul sounds like some kid who just discovered a bad word for the first time and can’t stop saying it, to everyone’s annoyance.

M Dubz
M Dubz
9 years ago

@katz- your typo totally made my night 🙂

vibrissimo
9 years ago

I think ‘Sharon Seemins’ was in a thread I read recently – no idea how old it was, I’ve read a lot of older ones lately – and did turn out to be Pell before getting booted out again.

May Paul Elam be stuck on a four-hour road trip with Bing Crosby singing Christmas songs on loop. (Thank you aunt and uncle …)

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Bing Crosby? That sound so much better than the Country Does Christmas album my parents bought the first time we were in Texas that had people like Willy Nelson and Crystal Gale doing country versions of Christmas carols. After multiple agonizing holiday seasons I eventually hid it. I have no regrets about that decision.

katz
9 years ago

Somehow I don’t think our collection of dorm anecdotes is going to reassure aworldanon.

But this one time a drunk chick walked into my friend’s room and peed on her leather jacket.

cloudiah
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous, I was off to bed and then had to get up to say that one of the things that made a big difference for me was getting a job on campus. I am not someone who warms up to people — or who people warm up to — immediately, so having a place where I was interacting with the same people every day helped me to find friends. Dunno if that will help you but logged back in just in case. A club would probably do the same. I was/am political, so lefty groups also played that kind of role. Okay, g’night. [cloudiah flounces.]

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Aworld is turning out the be this blog’s alternative dimension version of MrAl. Like what would have happened if he’d been a decent person and actually been willing to accept help and advice. It’s nice to see people’s impulse to reach out and help younger folks being channeled towards someone who can actually make use of it.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Oops, forgot to space properly to avoid tripping the mod filter! Let’s try that again.

Aworld is turning out the be this blog’s alternative dimension version of Mr Al. Like what would have happened if he’d been a decent person and actually been willing to accept help and advice. It’s nice to see people’s impulse to reach out and help younger folks being channeled towards someone who can actually make use of it.

speedlines
speedlines
9 years ago

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. ^

M Dubz
M Dubz
9 years ago

@aworldanonymous- And now for a happy story! When I when through The Breakup That Never Ends my junior year of college, my two roommates gave me lots of hugs, made me cookies and tea, let me blather on ENDLESSLY and were generally saints. I was a co-maid of honor in one of their weddings. Once you find your people in college, living with others and having that social support outside of your family is such a blessing (and I say this as an introvert that generally hates people).

Polliwog
Polliwog
9 years ago

Oh, clubs/jobs/teams/etc. are SUPER helpful in making friends in college. Aworldanon, I wholeheartedly suggest signing up for every club you’re even vaguely interested in – you can always bail on the ones that turn out to be boring, and in the meantime, you will meet cool people who share your interests, and it’s not unlikely that some of them will end up becoming your “tribe.”

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Is that face in the pic really Elam? He looks like a kindly grandpa gone horribly wrong.

rjjspesh
9 years ago

Dear Paul Elam: I hope you have a few drinks and then have a hangover the next day & can’t do your washing
Dear Paul Elam: I hope your favourite T show is cancelled suddenly, without explaination
Dear Paul Elam: I hope you can’t find two of the same type of socks next time you’re about to go out
Dear Paul Elam: I hope you go out without a jacket & it ends up being a chilly day

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Did you read the article? He’s not wrong. Watson sold out her logic and reason to fit her ideology. A person that sells themselves is, by definition, a whore.

Did you read the article, Pell? Not only did he not demonstrate any such thing, he also characterized her as “a fragile, pitiable waif, powerlessly wailing that not everyone in the world likes her” while in the article he criticizes, Watson states “I’ll just try to be twice as loud in the hopes of acting as some kind of asshole lightning rod.”

He’s sold out his logic and reason to fit his ideology. What does that make him again, Pell?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

I hope Paul Elam gets really excited when Mythbusters is on, but it turns out it’s one he’s seen like five times already.

katz
9 years ago

Paul Elam, I hope someone faxes your phone.

Dvärghundspossen
9 years ago

A whore is somebody who has sex for money. The definition of whore is not and has never been somebody who does SOMETHING for money. Everybody does stuff for money. If somebody really compromises with their values in the hope of getting more money zie is a person without integrity, a sell-out or the like, but not a whore.

Saying that somebody who does SOMETHING for money is therefore a whore, makes as much sense as saying “Teachers get paid for talking to people – therefore, anybody who talks to people ever is a teacher”. I mean, nobody would argue the latter way because “teacher” is not used as an insult the way “whore” is. But it makes about the same amount of sense.

Lesley
Lesley
9 years ago

I don’t read Elam but why does he hate Emma Watson? I’m new here and haven’t been following this.

lowquacks
9 years ago

Paul Elam, I hope your little goatee develops a slight cowlick on one side that requires constant trimming to look just right.

@CassandraSays

Aworld is turning out the be this blog’s alternative dimension version of Mr Al. Like what would have happened if he’d been a decent person and actually been willing to accept help and advice. It’s nice to see people’s impulse to reach out and help younger folks being channeled towards someone who can actually make use of it.

Hey, wasn’t that my position about 8 months ago? I actually assumed aworldanonymous was a lady and may have commented assuming that once or twice, which I think I got too. Sorry about that.

@aworldanonymous

I’m in first year of uni too, and there are times when it really isn’t fun. I’ve got a different problem to you (living two hours away from uni rather than being stuck at it), but the results are the same a lot (could I whinge here, Men Boobzer? I’ve got a bunch of things to ask), and in my experience all it takes is one fantastic friend to make things substantially better. Plenty of people upthread have said that it gets better, so we’d best remember that, I guess?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

@ lowquacks

Nah, that can’t be your position, you’re too self-confident. We don’t offer you life advice because you don’t seem like you need it – you don’t have that vulnerable air about you. But hey, if you want/need to complain and ask for advice, then go for it!

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