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Complementarian Loner: “Due to their lame, banal talking, [women] show they are only good for sex.” So online sexual harassment of women is just peachy!

Women: Always up to no good!

Complementarian Loners, a relationship blog of sorts run by two kinky but reactionary Catholics (and which I’ve written about before), describes itself as “primarily a blog of ideas.” The main idea seems to be that women are awful, worthless creatures. Surprisingly, it is CL, the female half of the blogging team, who is often the most vociferous on this point.

In a post unironically titled “Tits or GTFO (a.k.a. How Women Ruin Everything),” CL defends the regular harassment women face when entering – sorry, “invading” – “male spaces” online. As she writes:

Too many women will waltz in and expect to engage everyone, with no sense that perhaps they should just hang back once they’ve had their say if they even have it. They talk and talk and talk, derailing conversations, going off-topic usually to talk about themselves, until all that’s left is a room full of clucking hens and all the smart guys eventually get fed up and leave.

They want to be considered equals yet prove they do not deserve it both by showing that what they really want is to be up on that pedestal and that they are incapable of rational thought.

I have to confess that I have never actually seen this happening in any “male space” online, though I’ve seen numerous female spaces invaded and overrun by blabby mansplainy guys, often of the MRA persuasion. That’s certainly happened often enough on Reddit, where virtually every woman-centric subreddit from TwoXChromosome to Feminism has been rendered almost useless for discussion, a process depicted symbolically in the gif below.

Meanwhile, over at the “male spaces,” women are all too often shut down and/or run off by obnoxious dudes calling them bitches and worse and demanding nude pictures. CL, for her part, finds this all rather wonderful, and suggests puckishly that Complementarian Loners might well adopt a similar “policy” to deal with gals who won’t stop disagreeing with her shut up.

There’s a reason the only people we have banned on this blog are women and a couple of manginas. These people don’t know when to shut up and have no sense that they’re wearing out the welcome mat – also known as being entitled. …  I’ve lost whatever patience I had for it and I don’t like to see insightful comments lost in the kerfuffle of women clamouring for validation.

So, perhaps a new policy for women should be, since they refuse to apologise or drop anything, tits or GTFO.

Sure, that might be seen as demeaning. But these women are asking for it through their behavior:

If a woman is making no sense and adding nothing to the discussion, while making it all about her, defending other women, being a special snowflake and NOT wanting to learn anything, she is a liability and worthless in that forum, so she has reduced her worth to only sexual. Therefore, she should just be sexual and show her tits to show she has something to offer.

Really? Because I’ve run across a lot of awful guys online who continually say things that make no sense, and I’ve never once thought that this “reduces their worth to only sexual.” I think it just means they are incoherent assholes with terrible, terrible ideas.

But no, in CL’s mind, women bring this sexual harassment onto themselves. Not only that, but the harassment is good for them:

Men do not do this to women; women do it to themselves. Due [to] their lame, banal talking, they show they are only good for sex. Showing her tits is a humbling and reminds her of her worth. With any hope, it makes her think and realise that in order to be more than a sexual object, she must STFU or prove herself able to be rational.

CL, your argument here isn’t exactly, you know, rational to begin with; you’re essentially demanding that the women you disagree with transform themselves into people who are irrational in the same way that you are.

I am embarrassed for my sex. It makes me cringe to see how they ruin everything once they get their claws in, and how little they really seem to care for men and male spaces. We all want our own spaces free of drama. Perhaps they don’t realise that it is they who create all the drama, but apparently this is what women seem to want.

Yeah, it’s not like angry dudes online are ever known to conjure drama out of thin air (*cough*avoiceformen*cough*).

Of course,  when those poor MRAs start having fits over nothing, we need to remember that the poor babies have been treated so badly by the ladies of the world:

Women need to understand that MRAs and MGTOWs are disgruntled, angry, and frustrated with good reason … These are men who have loved, and their anger is proportional to the love of which they are capable.

Well, that’s your theory. My theory is that, by and large, they’re a bunch of entitled assholes.

In the end, CL brings it all back to one famous naughty lady and her love of apples:

If only women would stop this fight. If only women would submit to male leadership and stop this urge to control everything. Alas, it seems unlikely that most will ever be able to see, but it is sad how bad things have gotten, how cursed the world is, by dint of the daughters of Eve and our disobedience.

That’s right: Because Eve bit an apple, it’s fine to sexually harass women online when you don’t like what they say.

Of course, CL is perfectly fine with offline harassment as well. In the comments, she laments that fact that dudes can’t call a woman a “whore” in a bar these days without that woman getting mad, and suggests that women working in male arenas – sorry, women “playing at being construction workers or what have you” – just learn to appreciate this sort of “jocular speech” from the fellows.

Blessed are the sexual harassers, because women talk too much.

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Samantha
Samantha
9 years ago

Let’s be real here. I’m a woman. Woman are controlling, jealous and mischievous. We’re not completely evil. I’ve realized it’s in our nature to be this way. The man in the relationship is…well, the man. So all the women out there who argue why a man should be in charge, please shut up, you’re not changing the way gender roles should be!

Most women nowadays want to play the male gender role but then switch to the female card when it applies to them or benefits them (depending on situations). It’s the truth. We do this. Not all the time, but we do it 97% of the time (basically all the time). Society has placed women on such a high pedestal because they know that you can’t win an argument with a women, EVER. So what do they do? They say, “Whatever, let them win. We’ll tell them they deserve it all and bla bla bla because if we don’t, we’ll have to hear their never-ending BS.”

Ladies….play your damn role. You want to be independent? Prove it. Get a job. Support yourself. Talk about something else OTHER THAN YOURSELF FOR ONCE! Respect how other people feel and try to understand. It’s not always about you. And NO…none of our vaginas are made out of gold so stop pretending like you’re 1 in a trillion. You’re not. Shut up. Good bye. Ugh.

cloudiah
9 years ago

@Samantha, YOU are controlling, jealous, and mischievous. I am pretty much just mischievous. If you want to play some role, that’s fine. Don’t force other people to play that role, and don’t assume you speak for anyone else. You don’t, you asshat.

Also, my vagina is made out of gold. I had it plated. I am very pleased with it.

Kim
Kim
9 years ago

Ladies….play your damn role. You want to be independent? Prove it. Get a job. Support yourself. Talk about something else OTHER THAN YOURSELF FOR ONCE! Respect how other people feel and try to understand.

I’m confused. I’m doing this, and so is almost every other woman I know. I don’t know where you live that no women have jobs or support themselves, but I’m guessing it has a bubble of some sort around it.

Also, sometimes women win arguments based on the merit of said argument. I can believe that it never happens to you, but you are not every woman (as we established in the previous paragraph).

gelar
gelar
9 years ago

Let’s be real here. I’m a necromancer.

Fixed.

Kittehserf
9 years ago

::sniff sniff::

Is that a hint of dirty socks in the air?

Dvärghundspossen
9 years ago

I have a job! And right now, I’m in a discussion about Genesis and fundie porn in another thread (i e, a discussion not revolving around myself)! Wow! I should win a price!

Seriously, just repeating “it’s the truth” and pulling percentages out of one’s arse does not a solid argument make.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
9 years ago

Let’s be real here. I’m a woman. Woman are controlling, jealous and mischievous. We’re not completely evil. I’ve realized it’s in our nature to be this way. The man in the relationship is…well, the man. So all the women out there who argue why a man should be in charge, please shut up, you’re not changing the way gender roles should be!

Most women nowadays want to play the male gender role but then switch to the female card when it applies to them or benefits them (depending on situations). It’s the truth. We do this. Not all the time, but we do it 97% of the time (basically all the time). Society has placed women on such a high pedestal because they know that you can’t win an argument with a women, EVER. So what do they do? They say, “Whatever, let them win. We’ll tell them they deserve it all and bla bla bla because if we don’t, we’ll have to hear their never-ending BS.”

Ladies….play your damn role. You want to be independent? Prove it. Get a job. Support yourself. Talk about something else OTHER THAN YOURSELF FOR ONCE! Respect how other people feel and try to understand. It’s not always about you. And NO…none of our vaginas are made out of gold so stop pretending like you’re 1 in a trillion. You’re not. Shut up. Good bye. Ugh./blockquote>

There once was a pretender named Samantha
Who rampaged around threads like a bantha
– I’m a woman! She’d scream
I’m entirely as I seem!
And all the manboobs believed her and also in Santa

Now she’d happily barge in and declare
with a noxious laugh and ardent fanfare
Woman are jealous and mischievous
and of sensibilities liable to be grievous
I know I speak the truth, solid as air!

My vagina is not one in a trillion
And my talking points I’ve repeated a million
So come on, have a care
Don’t you think it’d only be fair
If all us women stopped acting like a godforsaken hellion?

contradictions in your statements, I’ve found thus:
play your role, do as you’re told, get a job, be independent but the man’s the boss
It doesn’t make much sense
It’s shouts based in ignorance and pretense
And over the asinine malarkly we’ll gloss

Also! It’s important to note
It’s a statement quite rote
Women are 50 % of a population
But Society is 100 % male opinion across ANY nation
Your pedestals are a proverbial load

So Samantha, with wit-grace like a bantha
Men are not really as sly as a panther
They might have hunted the mammoth
and most men are men, not a behemoth
of supreme traits you’d like contrasted with women, for slander.

Kittehserf
9 years ago

And the blockquote monster retires, appetite sated for the moment …

auggziliary
auggziliary
9 years ago

Samantha, shut the fuck up. Did it ever occur to you that people in general are manipulative and lying? Not just women? That’s because women are people. So quit whining like women are some separate case of people.
You manipulate using your gender? Well great. You’re an asshole. But that doesn’t mean every woman is inherently like you.

Also, learn how to argue or type(I can’t tell which you need). You swapped from hating women to men and vice versa like 3 times.

Radical Parrot
9 years ago

The Thread Necromancer! Maybe not a class for itself, but definitely a new, terrible enemy for Straw Feminists and MRA Brothers-In-Arms alike!

SPOILERS! If it turns out to be the Thread Dark Lord in disguise, I’ll be very, very disappointed.

Kittehserf
9 years ago

SPOILERS! If it turns out to be the Thread Dark Lord in disguise, I’ll be very, very disappointed.

You mean …

DAVID IS ALL TEH TROLLZ?

Noooooooo I cannot cope

First it was Mr 90% Al

Now it’s Mr 100% David

Aiiieeeeeeeeeee!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Also, my vagina is made out of gold.

Mine has emeralds embedded in the gold. I know that diamonds are more traditional, but I thought emeralds would be prettier. The greenness is also a tribute to my inherently greedy feminine nature,

Briznecko
Briznecko
9 years ago

NO…none of our vaginas are made out of gold so stop pretending like you’re 1 in a trillion.

My vagina is made out of platinum with encrusted diamonds. It’s so fabulous it inspired Damien Hurst.

Howard Bannister
9 years ago

The man in the relationship is…well, the man.

Yeah! Because that has definite meaning and is totally understandable!!

…sadly, it is. Because she means to say ‘somebody of the male gender is, well, totally entitled to take the societally defined role of the man, and is better equipped because penis.’

Ah, the magic penis that makes me able to do higher math. Having my gonads on the outside, not the inside, totally changes my brain.

Also, trans* people obviously don’t exist. If they did then all this would be transparent bullshit, and we can’t have that.

Also, if men and women were necessary complements, then lesbians would obviously live lives of unbridled chaos.

So, in short, what the fuck is this nonsense?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

My vagina is too made out of gold.

Samatha is made out of dumb. WTF did I just read?

ostara321
ostara321
9 years ago

Let’s be real here. I’m a woman. I am controlling, jealous and mischievous. I’m not completely evil. I’ve realized it’s in my nature to be this way. The man in the relationship is…well, the man. So all my rationalizing about what other women do or should do is totally based on my experience of what I am like and would like to be like!

I want to play the male gender role but then switch to the female card when it applies to me or benefits me (depending on situations). It’s the truth. I do this. Not all the time, but I do it 97% of the time (basically all the time). People let me win arguments because I am a manipulative asshole who treats people like shit until they agree with me. I assume all women do this because it makes me feel better about myself to assume that it’s not my fault that I’m an asshole.

Fixed that for ya.

cloudiah
9 years ago

Wow, you have solid gold vaginas? I’m jelly.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Let’s be real here. I’m a woman. I am controlling, jealous and mischievous. I’m not completely evil. I’ve realized it’s in my nature to be this way.

Samantha seems to be under the impression that women are trickster gods/elementals. Do I get to choose whether I’m an elf or a fairy?

titianblue
titianblue
9 years ago

Starts humming Spandau Ballet:

Thank you for coming home
I’m sorry that the chairs are all worn
I left them here I could have sworn
These are my salad days
Slowly being eaten away
Just another play for today
Oh but I’m proud of you, but I’m proud of you
There’s nothing left to make me feel small
Luck has left me standing so tall
Gold
Always believe in your soul
You’ve got the power to know
You’re indestructible
Always believe in, because you are
Gold
Glad that you’re bound to return
There’s something I could have learned
You’re indestructible, always believe in
After the rush has gone
I hope you find a little more time
Remember we were partners in crime
It’s only two years ago
The man with the suit and the pace
You know that he was there on the case
Now he’s in love with you, he’s in love with you
Love is like a high prison wall
But you could leave me standing so tall
Gold
Always believe in your soul
You’ve got the power to know
You’re indestructible
Always believe in, because you are
Gold
Glad that you’re bound to return
There’s something I could have learned
You’re indestructible, always believe in
(Musical interlude)
For love is like a high prison wall
And you could leave me standing so tall
Gold
Always believe in your soul
You’ve got the power to know
You’re indestructible
Always believe in, because you are
Gold
Glad that you’re bound to return
There’s something I could’ve learned
You’re indestructible
Always believe in GOLD

ostara321
ostara321
9 years ago

Ladies….play your damn role. You want to be independent? Prove it. Get a job. Support yourself. Talk about something else OTHER THAN YOURSELF FOR ONCE! Respect how other people feel and try to understand. It’s not always about you. And NO…none of our vaginas are made out of gold so stop pretending like you’re 1 in a trillion. You’re not. Shut up. Good bye. Ugh.

I’ll never get this kind of rant. People who clamor for a return to “traditional gender roles” (what they think every household in the 1950’s was, with the dad “bringing home the bacon” and mom cooking it) then turn around and tell women to get jobs and support themselves are… confusing.

Not to mention I’m really surprised that it seems Samantha doesn’t know (m)any women who work outside the home. I personally don’t know any women who aren’t retired who DON’T work outside the home in some capacity, most of them full time at very demanding, but lower paying jobs that tend to garner less respect because, pink collar.

There are exactly two women in my life (among the many) right now who don’t work outside the home. Both are retired, one ran a part time catering business from her home since her husband wouldn’t let her work outside the home and the other was a teacher for 40 years.

So you were saying, Samantha?

ostara321
ostara321
9 years ago

I’ll also note that my family’s friend who taught for 40 years never married and supported herself quite well indeed. And even though she’s retired now and in her early 90’s she still volunteers a few times a week at her local museum because she knows the museum doesn’t have the money to pay someone to do the work that needs to be done.

Briznecko
Briznecko
9 years ago

I can’t track down many excerpts, but this is one of recommended texts on Menstuff:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Date-Young-Women-Over/dp/product-description/0962067156/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

Some choice quotes:

I explain how to make your fantasies come true but right now that’s exactly what they are, fantasies. You are going to learn how young women think, what’s important to them and what they want from a man. You’ll know what you have to be and look like to attract her.

Physical Danger. She thinks you could be the Night Stalker’s brother or a dirty old man trying to cop a feel. Being relaxed and friendly makes it possible for her to see you’re safe. You do this with women. Young women just take longer. But it isn’t how much longer it takes her. The real problem is your lust, your excitement, your impatience, your lack of confidence, your fear of rejection. These combine, causing you to radiate bad vibrations. She picks them up and thinks you could be very dangerous, at which point she says, “Later, old man,” with or without words…The problem is not her fear, it’s you but not your emotions. You haven’t mastered the art of being casual.

One element of her motivation is the desire to be seriously bleeped, the way she’s heard it’s supposed to be done. As you now know her best experience does not begin to measure up to what she’s heard from other girls, read in Cosmopolitan or seen in the movies. And, “fer sure,” there is the stereotype of older men as knowledgeable, experienced lovers.

She knows there must be more to it. But this is one of her darkest, most closely held secrets, slightly behind masturbating and feeling terribly lonely. She fantasizes what a “real man” would do with her. If she’s a bit drunk she talks to her closest girl friend about what it should be like. Don’t get this wrong. She’s not obsessed with sex but wonders if she’s missing something important.

So far her boyfriend’s best efforts aren’t much. He wants his bleep sucked all the time. He’s reluctant to give her bleep and has no idea a bleep isn’t a miniature bleep, if he even knows where it is. He lasts two minutes after entering her. She and her contemporaries know, on some level, there’s more to it.

Uh…I think I would like to go shower now.

Also, the Menstuff web design is awful.

Briznecko
Briznecko
9 years ago

Blast, html fail. It’s from a book titled How to Date Young Women for Men over 35.

Briznecko
Briznecko
9 years ago

Dammit, wrong thread.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

It’s so creepy the way they literally don’t seem to be able to understand the fact that their fantasies about what women are thinking are not the same thing as what women are actually thinking. For guys who don’t understand the feminist comment that some men don’t realize that women are people, this is a great example – the author above doesn’t seem to understand that women are actual people with their own stuff going on and not just projections of what’s going on in his head at all.

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