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Hey, MRAs: If you don’t want people to associate you with hatred, don’t associate yourself with hate groups

MRAs: digging their own hole.

Here’s a bit of advice for Men’s Rights redditors and MRAs in general: if you don’t want people to associate the Men’s Rights movement with hatred, you should probably not associate yourselves with hate groups.

Yesterday, a fellow called heiligenschein posted a link in the Men’s Rights subreddit to a relatively new subreddit called simply SPLC, a subreddit set up by enemies of the Southern Poverty Law Center and devoted to, as heiligenschein put it, “compiling the numerous criticisms of the [SPLC].” As he explained in a comment:

That’s a somewhat odd criticism for heiligenschein, one of the moderators of the SPLC subreddit, to make. If you look at the front page of this subreddit, you’ll discover that he and his pals are already doing a fine job of associating themselves with “neo nazi nutters” all by themselves.

If you scroll through the links, you’ll notice that Heiligenschein has posted links to several different articles from VDare.com, which the SPLC describes as an “anti-immigration hate website” which “regularly publishes articles by prominent white nationalists, race scientists and anti-Semites.” Note to MRAs: if you’re disinclined to take the word of the SPLC on anything, all you need to do to get a sense of VDare’s genteel racism is to do a search on the site for, well, the word “racism,” or “immigrant.” Or you can read VDare founder Peter Brimelow’s repulsive victim-blaming post on the “root causes” of the Sikh temple murders in Wisconsin.

Heiligenschein  also links to the virulently anti-immigrant American Patrol Report and a Confederacy-loving group called the Georgia Heritage Council; a quick glance at either group’s website will reveal what sort of organizations these are. He also links to a pretty hateful site called A Voice for Men, which some of you may have heard of already.

But the connection to the racist far-right goes beyond a couple of links. The five other moderators of the r/splc subreddit – mayonesa, dvance, Octuple, salsaverde, warkin – are also the moderators of reddit’s race-obsessed “new right” subreddit. Some of the submissions in that subreddit at the moment:

18% of marriages by Chinese and Japanese Americans are to Jews. Thoughts?

The poison of multiculturalism

USA Olympic athlete waves Mex flag: propaganda-bearing parasite prole being used as an infectious agent by the master parasite class?

The not-so-fab five also moderate a smaller subreddit called “alternative right,” a dog-whistle term amongst the far right for (pseudo) intellectual racism and so-called “human biological diversity.” Some of the submissions there, all of them submitted by moderator Mayonesa:

Emo neckbeards having hategasm over pro-white flyer

“I believe Europe to be the ‘white man’s country’. If they don’t want non-whites among them, I think it’s fair.”

Diversity perversity: Behind multicultural push is effort to degrade American culture

The West has been seriously damaged by Communist successes at memetic subversion.

The five run at least two more subreddits devoted to this kind of crap.

Just so you know, MRAs, these are the sort of people you end up hanging out with once you join the SPLC anti-fan club.

Naturally, the handful of comments I found in the r/mensrights discussion on the subject pointing out that the r/splc moderators were a bunch of race-obsessed far-right extremists — see here, here, and here —  all got downvotes from the regulars there.

You’re digging your own hole here, MRAs.

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Sharculese
9 years ago

vdare has also spent the last two weeks vigorously defending the link between race and iq

Sharculese
9 years ago

vdare – not the no-sex-before-marriage website you’d guess it was from the name, yet somehow, so much worse

the twisted spinster
the twisted spinster
9 years ago

Wow, that Brimelow article on Vdare was… something else. I love his conclusion: apparently the reason Wade killed all those Sikhs was because they were taking all the taxi driver and trucking jobs. Bonus for bigotry against Sikhs for no fucking reason I can see, except that they’re weird foreign brown people with a weird religion that is weird and they shouldn’t be here in Christian White American because ahlaghG hasghdjkhas nngghhh Cthulhu nghlui f’thagnn ia ia!

the twisted spinster
the twisted spinster
9 years ago

They call themselves “Virginia Dare” after the first white person born on this continent, a.k.a., the first “anchor baby” since there were already people living here, people whose existence I can’t find any mention of beyond vague terms on their site (looking for “native americans” gets you tons of articles on Mexico, because Vdare is obsessed with Mexicans).

Noadi
9 years ago

They call themselves “Virginia Dare” after the first white person born on this continent

They can’t even get their history right. Snorri Thorfinnsson was born in Vinland sometime between 1004 and 1013.

the twisted spinster
the twisted spinster
9 years ago

To be fair I think they refer to it as “first English person.” The Vdare dudes apparently don’t count the Vinland settlement as important because they’re fixated on the “British roots” of the USA. Here’s their rather incoherent explanation.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
9 years ago

Also, I don’t think anything outside of the continental US counts. Canada, Vinland, Mexico… Not American, so doesn’t count. And I don’t think Spain counts as European, because they’ve vaguely brownish.

howardbann1ster
howardbann1ster
9 years ago

If Joe and Slavey are at all representative of the MRM the way they kept assuring me they are, well….

Reynardine
Reynardine
9 years ago

They’re exsartaginating, to be exact (ex= out of; sartago= frying pan)

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

No great surprise that the MRM is cozying up to racists, since most of them are. IIRC, one of them thought Stormfront was A-OK, but could take a harder stance on the wimmenz.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@hellkell

that was dkm right? and didn’t he end up getting banned because they didnt like the way he talked about white women?

aworldanonymous
9 years ago

Does this mean that they’re going to finally admit stuff now?

opium4themasses
9 years ago

There are definitely different sets of MRAs. I get the feeling a lot of them are young men who legitimately feel put upon and lash out against women as if rights are a zero-sum game.

This unexamined butthurt is similar to racism but many non-racist MRAs don’t necessarily make the connection. They do seem genuinely surprised by something which seems so obvious from the outside.

howardbann1ster
howardbann1ster
9 years ago

Yeah, they go “just because we think that one subset of people is worth less than another based on an arbitrary natural difference, why would you think we’d think that another subset of people are in any way worth less?”

Except for all the racists among them, who are like “what? No, they totally are!!! Shut up!!”

You’d think this schism would destroy them.

But, like Steele with Tom Martin, eventually they learn to live with each other. Because their main goal of tearing down feminism is way more important than little things like not accepting racists and pedophilia-apologists in their midst.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

The MRA and Stormfronters are totes different, guys! One group thinks white women are so spoiled by feminists that they should date only ‘submissive’ foreigners, while the others think that foreigners are so evil that it’s much more important to get with a white woman and teach her proper white patriarchal values (I suppose by dick osmosis or something).

See. Nothing in common at all. Apart from the fact they’re always complaining about P.C. and Cultural Marxists and what not. And their hatred of all things women and foreign. And the fact they’re almost all white cis males. And… erm, wait, I think I’m destroying my own argument here.

whataboutthemoonz
9 years ago

This reminds me of an episode of HBO’s Newsroom in which a gay black man hates vaginas so much he campaigns for Santorum.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

that was dkm right? and didn’t he end up getting banned because they didnt like the way he talked about white women?

It could very well have been him.

nwoslave
9 years ago

The SPLC is group whose entire existance revolves around marxist critical theory, which is to criticize anything white European, Christian or male to bring about centralized, state marxist control. Feminism, being a marxist ideology of critical theory might revel in slaughtering a couple hundred million more white European Christians for shits and giggles, but many of us don’t care for that so much. Manboobzers, feminism and the SPLC complaining about hate groups is a bit like lions bitching those white, European, Christian men are just so darned stringy.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
9 years ago

I wish I could remember who said that these d00dz appear to think that the greatest achievement of their lives is to have been born white males.
I think it is a perfect description of the MRAs and their achievements.

often_partisan
often_partisan
9 years ago

I don’t get all this whargarbl about “Communists!!!” from the Right, I really don’t. For one, the Cold War is over. For two, America lacks notable figures that are as far left as social-democratic, let alone actual bona fide communists. As for the West more generally, communism has had more influence in some countries than others, but as far as I know not to the extent that they are secretly running everything through “memetic subversion”. I mean, everything is going the right wingers way at the moment with the cuts, austerity, etc. so why are they still whining about Commies under the bed like it’s the 1950’s?

Sharculese
9 years ago

because if you spent enough of your life straining to conflate ‘communists’ with ‘well-intentioned technocrats with a basic belief in a social safety net who more often than anything else err on the side of not doing enough’, then you eventually forget how to tell the difference

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

NWO, if feminism’s so fucking powerful, how is it that you’re still free?

Sharculese
9 years ago

The SPLC is group whose entire existance revolves around marxist critical theory, which is to criticize anything white European, Christian or male to bring about centralized, state marxist control. Feminism, being a marxist ideology of critical theory might revel in slaughtering a couple hundred million more white European Christians for shits and giggles, but many of us don’t care for that so much. Manboobzers, feminism and the SPLC complaining about hate groups is a bit like lions bitching those white, European, Christian men are just so darned stringy.

omigod this is almost the perfect distillation of owlslave

just needs more ranting about the jews

Sharculese
9 years ago

Manboobzers, feminism and the SPLC complaining about hate groups is a bit like lions bitching those white, European, Christian men are just so darned stringy.

i dont even get how this analogy is supposed to make sense. like, if the mras are too ‘stringy’ isnt that saying that their not tough enough? when do we complain about that? we most celebrate the fact that your pretend movement is confined to a tiny, irrelevant corner of the internet

and owlslave you get that the early christians werent nearly as white and european as you’d like them to be, right?

nwoslave
9 years ago

@often_partisan
“I mean, everything is going the right wingers way at the moment with the cuts, austerity, etc. so why are they still whining about Commies under the bed like it’s the 1950′s?”

Everyone here, every leftist, every feminist is a marxist.

Are you pro diversity?
Are you pro feminism?
Are you pro gay?
Do you cricitize the western values/tradition above all others?
Do you criticize white men above all others?
Do you criticize Christianity above all others?

This is all marxist critical theory. Yes to any of the above makes you a marxist. All of you are marxists. You deserve to be hated.

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