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The Men”s Rights subreddit weighs in on the “Why is Reddit So Anti-Woman?” debate.

Over on AskReddit, someone called 478nist has asked a question that has been puzzling a lot of us for some time: “Why is Reddit so anti-women? (outside of r/gonewild anyway).”

I used to think it was just because the large majority of users are men, but it’s not pro-men it’s becoming more and more anti-women.

Outside of the friendzoned crap, any comment that leans towards any kind of talk of womens issues, equal rights etc gets downvoted to hell so it’s not even capable of being discussed. It seems like it’s an US vs THEM mentality more and more. Was it always like this?

The thread that followed is nearly 2000 comments long, so far, and has gotten written up on TheAtlanticWire. The discussion is surprisingly … good? Not perfect — after all, this is Reddit we’re talking about here — but not terrible.

So naturally our friends in the Men’s Rights subreddit are complaining about it.

The legendary AnthonyZarat offers this thought:

MauraLoona, meanwhile, challenges the premise of 478nist’s question, and thereby challenges reality itself:

Legitimateusername also has a problem with Reddit’s alleged surplus of manginas.

Fuckrpolitics_again just goes with some plain old-fashioned misogyny:

The Men’s Rights subreddit, such a reliable generator of self-righteous poop.

 

650 replies on “The Men”s Rights subreddit weighs in on the “Why is Reddit So Anti-Woman?” debate.”

So now reddit is meant for men? And you changed your tune so fast from “they are not anti women!!” to “well they are just frustrated by female privilege!” that I don’t know how anyone could take you seriously.

Reddit doesn’t exclude women, and Reddit is a male-only space. Redditors are not sexist, and Redditors are sexist for a good reason.

It’s all perfectly clear.

@jumbofish

The analogy is more apt than you care to admit, vile m-feminist!! After all, we live in a tomatoist society.

One of those tomatoes, a very sensitive and special one, could have grown up to be a potato if not for a vile misandrist teacher.

I don’t think Steeledude is Mr. Al, unless our old friend has seriously upped his troll game by now. Otherwise he would have given himself away ages ago.

Shouldn’t we be careful about criticizing Steele’s choice of analogies? After all, the only reason that Steele isn’t the world’s greatest writer is because of MISANDRY!!!11!

Ooh, are we talking about men and writing? I want Slavey to try to convince us that Steven King is totally on his side again.

@sharculese
NWO kinda does, huuck if he even exists, and his girlfriend. So one jewish conspiracy theorist, a person who is most likely a sockpuppet, and another who probably doesn’t exist……

Hey stealbutt did paul and those other people ever respond to that email about their support of tom martin???

…who’s the farmer in this analogy? I mean, potatoes and tomatoes could probably grow in the same field, if they weren’t planted separately, so in this analogy, who’s doing the planting?

And why am I trying to make an extended metaphor out of women = tomatoes?

I was mostly joking about Steele sounding like Mr. Al, just annoyed at that claim about reddit, but they do share various annoying qualities don’t they?

jumbofish — Steele is Varpole, he’s seriously calling into question wtf makes a sock a sock considering he’s still using Steele, long after revealing himself to be Varpole.

Re: Mr. Al — I don’t think Varpole’s Mr. Al, just that they’re similarly annoying.

Cliff — well then, that’s a good reason for farmers to separate them. Now if only Steele could provide a reason to apply that principle to the internet (bonus points if he can work in potato blight)

I know, I was just saying they are eerily similar but I don’t think mr.al would go through all that effort. XD

I keep thinking about how these MRAs whine about being labeled as rapists because they’re men, but then turn around and invoke the stereotype of the GIANT NEGRO (OR ILLEGAL) RAPIST TAKIN ALL THEIR WHITE WOMEN.

Not to mention all the rape apologia they spew on a daily basis.

@Rubyhypatia – you are indulging in apex fallacy.
That the majority of the powerful happen to be men, does not advantage the other 99.9% of men. You think it does, because you only really “see” powerful men, in contrast weak, poor, young, old, ill, homeless men are virtually invisible to you as “men”. To you they are just background noise.

See also: Powerful men sending millions of other, poorer less powerful men off to die in e.g. WWI (during which the majority of British men who died didn’t even have the vote) WWII…. hell just about any war, and there’s always a fucking war or three or five happening somewhere.
See also: every Dirty Difficult Dangerous job done almost exclusively by men (in the West) often for shitty or sometimes no pay, in particular trafficked labourors held under slave conditions (far more numerous than trafficked sex workers, by the way)
Recent cases: ?Indonesian? fishermen effectively pressganged, forced to work at sea for months & not paid – situation exposed in Australia. Also, recent convictions of a gang of so-called “Travellers” enslaving & trafficking homeless men in workgangs – in the UK and Europe)

Silly Cliff: mispotatory don’t real! Everyone knows that when potatoes are harmed, it’s because of their choices, but when tomatoes are it’s because of those mantato farmers.

That the majority of the powerful happen to be men, does not advantage the other 99.9% of men.

Yeah, but 99.9% of women aren’t any better off. If you say “don’t just look at the rich ones,” remember that most women aren’t rich either.

Compare apples to apples–when you’re looking at the plight of weak, poor, young, old, ill, or homeless men, don’t compare them to suburban housewives, compare them to weak, poor, young, old, ill, or homeless women.

But he can’t compare poor men to poor women, because then he wouldn’t be able to pretend that those men’s exploitation is about gender. And that just won’t do.

@Rubyhypatia – you are indulging in apex fallacy.
That the majority of the powerful happen to be men, does not advantage the other 99.9% of men. You think it does, because you only really “see” powerful men, in contrast weak, poor, young, old, ill, homeless men are virtually invisible to you as “men”. To you they are just background noise.

Ruby Hypatia has made a number of factually wrong and morally despicable claims.

But this isn’t one of them. Men really do “have just as many rights, if not more, than women.” Men really do “still have majority control in government and business.”

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

The fact that many men don’t have power doesn’t negate the fact that the most of the people who do have power are men. We know that these few powerful men actually hurt the interests of men who aren’t like them, who don’t conform to their ideals. If you’ve spent any amount of time in feminist circles you’ll probably have heard the phrase “patriarchy hurts men too” at some point. Feminism doesn’t just help women, it also helps those men who are hurt by our society’s attitudes towards gender.

While most assuredly no one dares questions your superior intellect, however, 0.000007% of the 3.5 billion men equals 24,500 men on the planet women have so graciously created. Yet you stated, “There are perhaps two thousand MRAs in existence, tops.”

I must assume you gave this simple mathematical task to an inferior male to perform as women have invented and perfected all the arts and sciences.

I used 3 billion instead of 3.5 billion, which is admittedly a bit dated. I also lost a decimal place somewhere. (I should have just used scientific notation.)

But you’re the one who forgot the difference between percents and decimals. 0.000007% of 3.5 billion is actually 245.

So we, er, both fucked up our math. Ideally this would be a moment of shared humility and laughter. Somehow I don’t think it’s gonna be.

Apex fallacy! Most tomatoes aren’t powerful. For every tomato that is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, you have millions of tomatoes are just ground up and made into tomato paste. TOMATO PASTE IS MISANDRY!

@cliff –
You need to familiarise yourself with statistics on the division by sex (in the West) of:

– Warzone deaths
– Other workplace deaths
– Suicide
– Homelessness
– Likelihood of being a victim of violence up to and including murder
– Likelihood of being imprisoned
– Difference in length of sentences as applied for the same crime
– Spending on healthcare and welfare
– Educational outcomes

In all the categories: weak, poor, young, old, ill, or homeless – women in the West are statistically less likely to be on the shit end of the stick than men, and in the less likely event that they do find themselves on the shit end of the stick will find far more support / resources /networks available to them on both a personal and bureaucratice basis than men caught in the same situation.

Of course NWO might stomp on and thus rage-splat the potato before adding the bacon bits, but hey, he’ll still eat it.

Apex fallacy! Most tomatoes aren’t powerful. For every tomato that is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, you have millions of tomatoes are just ground up and made into tomato paste. TOMATO PASTE IS MISANDRY!

Meanwhile, the vast majority of potatoes are given froofy dresses and middle-class homes in the suburbs, and yet cannot bring themselves to even acknowledge the sacrifices of Tomatoes for their lifestyles.

For further reading, see The Myth of lycopersicum Power by Roy G. Biv.

If potatoes had any sympathy for the plight of the tomato they would violently throw themselves at each other in the street.

(Since they don’t have hands to punch with.)

Hey FirstJoe, can you (a) define “the West” and (b) explain why only people living in the West matter? Because my understanding is non-Western people are humans too and should factor into any discussions — otherwise, you know, apex fallacy… (Which is not really a thing that exists, but whatever.)

Also the reason that potatoes don’t have hands is that they’re lazy. If they cared about justice they would have evolved super-hands by now.

– Warzone deaths
– Other workplace deaths
– Suicide
– Homelessness
– Likelihood of being a victim of violence up to and including murder
– Likelihood of being imprisoned
– Difference in length of sentences as applied for the same crime
– Spending on healthcare and welfare
– Educational outcomes

And how many of those have fuck-all to do with feminism?

Yeah, it’s feminists enrolling men in the Dworkin Army so they can mine coal from the Steinem Pit. Every feminist here has been screaming that we’d love for women to have an equal shot at fighting in combat positions and working in dangerous jobs.

Suicide, violence, and imprisonment are highly linked to our ultra-violent social view of masculinity, which again, something feminism’s fighting.

Spending on women’s welfare is mostly actually spending on children’s welfare. The fact that more women are primary caregivers for children than men–not something feminism is a big fan of.

I’d argue that the “educational outcomes” one isn’t even a problem at all. More men than women are able to get good jobs in the trades that don’t require a college education–lucky them! They’re a lot better off than women who rack up student debt and then end up with a lower income anyway.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/four-members-of-traveller-family-convicted-in-slaves-trial-7936127.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-23/slaves-put-squid-on-u-s-dining-tables-from-south-pacific-catch.html

“…The conditions suffered by 2000 mainly Indonesian men on 27 vessels were judged “appalling”, with gruesome accounts of extreme physical violence and verbal abuse….”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/modern-slavery-on-korean-fishing-boats/story-e6frg6so-1226113886388

A few years back in the UK
“….A total of 21 bodies, of men and women between the ages of 18 and 45, were recovered from the bay after the incident. Two of the victims were women, the vast majority were young men in their 20s and 30s, with only two being over 40 and only one, a male, under 20.[3]…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Morecambe_Bay_cockling_disaster

Gah, you’re all so fixated on potato this and tomato that you fail to see the real issue: peas! They steal jobs from hard working tomatos, buddy up with potatos to make the lives of tomatos harder, only to exploit the potatos for their own gain! And there’s so many of them.

And then there are the tomatoes who prefer the company of other tomatoes, if you know what I mean. Vile, they are.

Hey, tomatoes are actually fruits! How dare you call them vegetables, you vile m-feminist?

“….A total of 21 bodies, of men and women between the ages of 18 and 45, were recovered from the bay after the incident. Two of the victims were women, the vast majority were young men in their 20s and 30s, with only two being over 40 and only one, a male, under 20.[3]…”

“Bad things happen to members of this class, ever” ≠ “This is the oppressed class and the other one must be the privileged class.”

@ First Joe:

I’m perfectly willing to accept that there are a few areas in Western society (although I’m not sure why only the West matters here) where men have it off worse than women. Mind you, those situations are few and far between. They are also often the result of the devaluing of women as a whole. For instance, to steal a favorite hobby horse of the MRAs, when the draft still existed in America, women were not subject to it. To this day, many countries don’t allow women soldiers into combat. As this means that men are more likely to be sent into combat where they risk injury and death, it could be said that this disadvantages men. But the underlying reasons for allowing only men into combat are ultimately misogynistic. Women aren’t seen as capable of handling combat.

Society’s undervaluing of women hurts men too. And you know who it is that wants to fix this? Feminists.

@cloudiah – because I know much better what goes on in the Western world vs. other parts of the world re. statistics involved. Knowing how everyone here LOVES to jump on any error no matter how nit-picking, I specified a limited socio / economic / geographic region (also I am aware that e.g. in India some of the DDD jobs are done by women – I’ve seen pics of lower caste women in saris weilding pickaxes for instance).
No, I won’t define “the West” for you. What do you live under a rock??

@whoever and whoever – Hahaha! Awesome piece of hypocrisy there! When women had poor educational outcomes c.f. men (40/60 graduating college) it was held to be a disaster and something had to be done! Something was done and now the ratio has flipped (60/40) and men are on the shit end – but according to you that’s A-OK because: “trades”.
Bollocks!

Men would be fools to wait for feminism to free us from systemic problems…
(and I dispute that feminists in general have ever or will ever take any such action, see e.g. your hypocrisy above!).

Systemic problems that are nothing to do with “patriarchy” per se …
(which is about having a man as “head of a family” and is therefore pretty much already extinct in the West, where men are increasingly pushed out of “family” altogether and Government is the new Daddy)
….and everything to do with HIERARCHY and how that hierarchy assigns a kind of guaranteed floor-of-value to women, whereas men are much more likely to fall into the glass cellar. Here’s the hierarchy of which I speak:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/global-elite-tax-offshore-economy

Annoyingly I can’t instantly lay hands on the ?taxchange.org? I think page that had a great link to a .pdf where the % of who owns the world’s wealth was broken down, but suffice to say, we are the 99.999%

I thought tomato was a derogatory term for women? Which means that Steele cannot even get his comparisons right.

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