Over on AskReddit, someone called 478nist has asked a question that has been puzzling a lot of us for some time: “Why is Reddit so anti-women? (outside of r/gonewild anyway).”
I used to think it was just because the large majority of users are men, but it’s not pro-men it’s becoming more and more anti-women.
Outside of the friendzoned crap, any comment that leans towards any kind of talk of womens issues, equal rights etc gets downvoted to hell so it’s not even capable of being discussed. It seems like it’s an US vs THEM mentality more and more. Was it always like this?
The thread that followed is nearly 2000 comments long, so far, and has gotten written up on TheAtlanticWire. The discussion is surprisingly … good? Not perfect — after all, this is Reddit we’re talking about here — but not terrible.
So naturally our friends in the Men’s Rights subreddit are complaining about it.
The legendary AnthonyZarat offers this thought:
MauraLoona, meanwhile, challenges the premise of 478nist’s question, and thereby challenges reality itself:
Legitimateusername also has a problem with Reddit’s alleged surplus of manginas.
Fuckrpolitics_again just goes with some plain old-fashioned misogyny:
The Men’s Rights subreddit, such a reliable generator of self-righteous poop.
Funny thing is, in a conversation with less “vile Marxist M-feminist,” talking about how awkward it is to have a mismatch in expectations about date-paying is actually worthwhile. It’s an issue that kind of intersects with our cultural inability to talk about money (which is why some people will get weird if you just ask beforehand) and our weird piecemeal approach to gender equality that’s stuck women in a rather “all the responsibilities of men… not all of the privileges” place right now.
It’s not awkward for me. I will not pay. If she specifically demands that I do so, I will walk out after paying my share. This has only happened twice, because – again – most women understand that it’s incredibly rude to demand that men subsidize them. In other words, most women aren’t hypocritical feminists.
Secondly, your last sentence is wrong.
…Why are you going on all these dates with people you resent, anyway? I mean, yeah, sometimes a first date doesn’t work out and it’s a pretty big sting to have to pay for that. But if you’re going on date after date that makes you feel like you got nothing out of it except dinner, man, you gotta refine your standards.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure Cliff would take you to small claims court, dude. Sorry, i should have said creepy dude; I wouldn’t want to skimp on the misandry. /sarcasm
Eh, that’s just a particularly petty and tantrum-throwing way of choosing Option 3.
Perhaps, but I would contend that anyone who demands their date pay for them is equally rude, and has earned that disrespect.
As I said – I have walked out of two dates, and would do it again. That’s my right. I believe people should get what they give.
I don’t see why it’s such a fanciful tale.
We know you don’t.
Surely it depends on the restaurant, I earn more than a friend and wanted to go to a relatively expensive restaurant with her, so I paid. If we go somewhere cheaper then it is more in her price range so we split the bill. I think it is unfair to arrange a date at a very expensive restaurant then try to split the bill unless you have both agreed to that restaurant first. Generally I think first dates should be in relatively cheap places and the bill should be split (or if the guy refuses that the woman pays on the next date) but if you are not discussing the restaurant choice and price range, then the person who chooses the restaurant should pay.
that’s because you’re not interested in having a conversation, you just want to shout down everyone who disagrees with you.
which is why i said yesterday i dont doubt these encounters dont lead to second dates, just not for the reasons you seem to think.
lol
FUCK YOU FOR TELLING ME TO NOT ACT LIKE A SPOILED PETULANT BABYMAN! I HAVE RIGHTS
Cliff – I’m in a relationship now, and don’t go on first dates.
But I did go on many dates when I was available, and I didn’t resent them! Indeed, if I’m going on a first date at all, I’m probably going to be well-disposed toward her. It has nothing to do with how well the dates went – I’m still not paying for them, because I don’t believe in that and consider the expectation misandrist. And I never did pay (except on one occasion when the woman forgot her purse, which is fine). Mostly, that has been totally fine, since most women will just pay for themselves if one does not offer. However, two women have felt entitled to demand my hard-earned money. At that point, I ceased being well-disposed toward them; I paid my share, got up, told them my thoughts, and left.
I’m not understanding the problem here.
Course it’s your right. Like Cloudiah says, no one’s taking you to small claims court over it.
You don’t have the right for everyone to think it’s a charming and superior behavior, though.
I’m not understanding the problem here.
Dude dude neckbeard dude, we know you don’t.
it’s the part where you made it the subject of your lastest multi-day internet tantrum, and then made us listen to you rant and rave about your petty, trivial grudges. that’s the problem part.
and anyway you’re the one who brought it up in the first place, dummy.
You don’t have the right for everyone to think it’s a charming and superior behavior, though.
That is because you are a misandrist-feminist who believe that demanding access to my personal cash reserves is “a little gauche”, “but understandable”, but that walking out of a date after paying for one’s share is some terrible faux pas.
It comes back to elevating women above men and considering women’s wrongdoing to be “less bad”.
I am appalled.
You’re such a warm, genuine person, Steele.
You’re just going to keep hammering on this until you “win” by people giving up.
Look: Yes, that’s your right, but you’re still a douchebag. A grown-up would pay the damn $20 and just not date her again.
(A grown-up would also have a conversation with her first and see if she was willing to pay after they talked it over, and, considering the way you argue on here, I’m guessing you didn’t. Sounds like you went straight from “oh, would you mind getting it?” to flipping tables. …In the universe where this happened at all.)
I’m gonna go take a bath and then meet up with some friends in a few so you can celebrate your victory over me if you like, Steele.
Make yourself a little trophy and everything. Really go all out.
Steelpole finds out his date wants him to pay.
I am of the mind that if you suggest the date, you should at the least be expected to pay for it. But sometimes men do not like that. And sometimes they do.
But not once have I had one throw a giant hissy fit and storm out of a restaurant for paying for a meal. That is just weird.
Usually I like reading the trolls on here having their asses handed to them but this latest one… Oh boy, this is just tedious… Really dude, how many times do people here have to say “I’m a woman and I’ve paid halvsies, I’m a woman and I’ve paid entirely or the dreaded I’m a woman but my date offered to pay so he did” before it clicks in your malfunctioning brain. Not a single person on here said a men are REQUIRED to pay for dates. Chrissakes how is this difficult? I know sometimes trolls just like to stir up trouble and cause mayhem, but this just lazy and riduculous. Also what’s with this “vile, disgusting hobitses” crap, he sounds like Golum.
Look: Yes, that’s your right, but you’re still a douchebag. A grown-up would pay the damn $20 and just not date her again.
Well, you can think that if you want. I disagree. You also refuse to acknowledge that it is likewise douchebag-style behavior to demand access to my cash reserves. Again, I feel like those dates earned that disrespect. It wasn’t a big scene – and I paid my share, of course. But I feel obliged to take a stand against misandry and entitlement.
so, usual sunday afternoon, then?
Dude, you’re not good at reading comprehension, are you? XD
who the fuck says ‘cash reserves’
Do MRAs just have a chronological hatred of writing in both conversational and academic styles? What kind of jackass calls his money his ‘cash reserves’ XD
I wish institutional problems against women peaked at ‘expected to pay on dates’ XD
demand access to my cash reserves
Is that what they’re calling it these days?
*Chronic. Whoopsy XD