Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge, known for his violent rhetoric and rape apologia, has been arrested for death threats against police.
Not too surprising, given that he once announced on his blog that “[k]illing at least one cop is on my bucket list.”
Here are some Google-translated details from a news account here:
The right-wing extremist and anti-feminist blogger Eivind Berge has been arrested for having encouraged and glorified the killing of policemen. The police have found both ammunition and textbooks in use of explosives at Berge.
The police regard the threats as an invitation to others to kill police officers, but also feared that he would commit the acts themselves shortly.
He was evidently arrested on Wednesday. According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:
Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:
“Then I used the trial to come forward as a good example for men, and I considered it to be worth 21 years in prison for premeditated murder.”
According to this account, Berge is being held for two weeks. He claims innocence.
Berge, as readers of this blog may well already know, is a fan of right-wing terrorist and mass murderer Anders Brevik. On his blog, he’s also argued (among other things) that “Rape is Equality.”
He’s glorified the murder of police on his blog numerous times.
Some examples, taken from the second news account:
“… attack on the police is something 100% in harmony with everything I stand for.”
“I maintain that police murder is both ethically and tactically correct.”
Some other examples, direct from his blog (each paragraph is from a separate post; click on the quote for the source):
I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list.
If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty.
This was his reaction to a news story about a police officer being killed:
Good news for men is rare in this hateful feminist utopia that is Norway, but today is a joyous day! Today I feel schadenfreude in my heart along with all the hate that feminism and resultant mate deprivation have instilled in me. One blue thug less on the streets.
From another post on the same subject:
The swine Olav Kildal died while trying to enforce our lack of cognitive liberty. This was a defensive, much deserved killing that cheered me up.
Here he threatens a female prosecutor:
To feminist prosecutor Anne Cathrine Aga I have the following message: The Men’s Movement is watching you, bitch, and we are seething with hatred against you personally and the police state you represent. Actions have consequences. Trials are still (mostly) public and they sink into our collective minds, where they form the basis of future activism. Hate breeds hate — that is a fact of life too smugly ignored by feminists. …
2011 is the year Norwegian men as a group emerged out of the blogosphere and into the battlefield. This in turn has led to a breakthrough for MRAs such as my good self in the public discourse, probably for the simple reason that the powers that be now realize ignoring us has deadly consequences. Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.
Aside from the explicit threats of violence, the violent and threatening rhetoric here is not unlike much of the rhetoric we see regularly on A Voice for Men and other MRA sites. AVFM founder Paul Elam, for example, told one feminist that:
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. … We are coming for you.
The blogger Emma the Emo, Berge’s girlfriend, has posted comments here in the past defending him. The news account quotes someone identified as Nataliya Kochergova, described as his girlfriend; I assume this is “Emma,” because what she told the media is similar to what she posted here. She of course denies that he planned any real violence. According to the article, she said:
There are not really threats. He has never had plans to kill someone, he has said several times in his blog. When for example, he says that “the police killings are an effective way to prevent stupid laws,” it’s a factual description and not a threat. Even those who love the police agree with it.
Berge, for his part, has stated publicly that if he had not met Emma, he probably would have killed by now:
At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway’s first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as “Emma.”
This is why I take violent rhetoric from MRAs very seriously.
Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, MRAs glorify MRA “martyr” Thomas Ball, who killed himself on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse last year in hopes that his death would inspire MRAs to literally burn down courthouses and police stations.
Ball’s manifesto is still up on A Voice for Men in its “activism” section, including these passages:
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … This is too important to be using that touchy- feeling coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers
AVFM tastefully omitted Ball’s specific instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, but left this in:
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.
For many more examples of violent threatening rhetoric from MRAs, I urge you to go through some of my posts here and here.
…barred from.any venue. Phone posting.
My thoughts are my own issue, my behavior is innocuous.
Eurosabra, the homophobia isn’t exactly helping your case.
Heterophobia allied to abuse of institutional power equals minders.
I believe Eivind could have dealt with his rage better. He is justly beyond the pale. But I like him as a translator. Hopefully he will change. If I became a danger to others, I would seek help.
@Murphy
You only ‘kicked things off’ by spouting ignorant, sub-1950’s gender essentialist bullshit about parenting. Don’t give me this ‘what about the kids?’ bollocks. What about if the family can’t survive on one wage? What if the mother decides to leave? What if the father dies? What about non-heteronormative families? What about if a woman wants to work and a man wants to stay at home?
For someone who pretends to care about children, you sure don’t seem to give a shit about making sure they’re raised by happy people in a happy environment.
So don’t let the door slam you on your Daily Mail reading, pretend hand-wringing arse.
Also, most women have always worked, you ignorant, classist toad.
@Murphy:
No one gives a shit if your supposed view is mainstream or not (and it isn’t) as that’s a logical fallacy called argument from popularity.
“How can a dad – unemployed or working outside the home – be a good father? Not by fighting for custody or demanding “shared parenting” after divorce or breakup. The best way a dad can be a good father is by providing support to the mother of his children”
Bullshit. All this stuff needs to be decided on a case by case basis. Dynamics change and families are not carbon copies of each other. I only agree that:
“encouraging abusive fathers, often with little past involvement with their children, to seek custody as a tactic to pressure a mother to return or to punish her for leaving.” is bad and shouldn’t happen but the very idea that because there are people who try to twist holes the system in their favor that means that ‘good’ men should only care about financial stability and not care about actual parenting is sexist and vile. Please just stop. You make yourself look like more of an asshole with each post.
Eurosabra: You aren’t very good at anonymous. From things you’ve said here, I’m pretty sure I can track you down. I have no desire to pick up those threads and follow them, but you’ve given more than a few personal details. You aren’t as clever as you think.
That, or you are lying about everything.
I’d collate the ones I recall, but that would be doing someone who actually wanted to track you down more direction than they deserve to have.
As to, “the powers that be were…”. It doesn’t matter what they saw, they saw something; unless you are arguing they did that to every male student in the dorm.
Is that what you are arguing?
@Eurosabra
“It’s more.like the powers that be were gay women, and there were objections to my approaching women anytime, anywhere, no matter how politely.”
And yet, virtually everyone here has talked to a woman before, and have not faced any consequences from it! Even at universities!
It’s almost as if it’s possible for some people to talk to women without sexually harrassing or trying to manipulate them! What is this sorcery?
Just as a quick note:
The more I look at the NOMAS site the more sexist and terrible that site looks. According to the site men can’t be feminists because they lack vaginas. They can only be supportive of feminist women. Men being in a relationship with a woman who is abusive towards him is not only statistically small but chances are the woman being abusive isn’t *really* abusive, just using self-defense. Calling even obvious cases of spousal battery as such in regards to men is bad because it detracts from the millions of female victims.
That website is nauseatingly sexist. I can’t stand to read any more of it.
They saw what they wanted to see, because of what they were.
I don’t think I can convince you, I just want the likes of you to know that Eivind is a good translator, and that there are those of us who aren’t Breivik or Sodini, who hope he will turn back from this horrible path.
Eurosabra: You said, “Yeah, I’m a lot more sensible in person and no one in meatspace has ever really noticed or cared.”
You told us about a person (now a group) who did notice. Who did care.
You were wrong.
It really is that simple. You were wrong.
I just want the likes of you to know that Eivind is a good translator,
Ok. He’s a good translator. Who also happens to advocate for widespread rape of women to force them to stop demanding the equality they deserve.
Who happened to put killing a cop on his, “bucket list”.
Who said when he was going to do that.
He may be a good translator, but he’s a shitty human being and a stupid wannabe murderer.
The two are not exclusive states.
Ignoring the insults, I’d actually agree with many of the points themisanthropicmuse and thenatfantastic make here – all families are different (although I would argue that the traditional ‘nuclear’ family has in it all the ingredients neccessary for oppression), and the points about what happens if one parent dies, or if a father wants to stay at home etc. are all fair ones.
It’s a complex issue, and clearly I’m speaking as a general approach. Just look at the facts – 50% or so of marriages end in divorce, and of that 50% the overwhelming majority are instigated by women. For me, that speaks strongly to the idea that abuse is widespread (I’m not suggesting that all men are abusers though, only that the figures would seem suggestive). It’s a major step for a woman to want to divorce the husband of her children, with all the financial and emotional costs involved, and I’d say that suggests that abuse is widespread.
I’m not suggesting that fathers should ‘not care about actual parenting’, I’m only stating that all the evidence shows that if they do care, they should be focusing on supporting the mother.
While it’s lovely to suggest, as Myoo does that as a society we should focus on ensuring that ‘parents can share in both raising the children and providing for them so that women can have successful careers and men can have proper relationships with their children,’ I would respectfully say that, while of course we should aspire to this, in practice this is idealistic, and problematic.
In my other posts I’m simply making the case that misogyny is commonplace
They were wrong, but they were the power.
Not that I can convince you. But I am willing to believe I am right and the world is wrong. It is a side-effect of being Israeli.
Actually, it is more likely a side effect of being a “mild gaslighter”, you start to believe your own lies.
Even if they were wrong, and you weren’t a threat, you are wrong that no one ever notices, and cares, about the way you act.
But I am willing to believe I am right and the world is wrong. It is a side-effect of being Israeli.
No, that’s the gaslighting in action (see above about how you said a thing, and it’s provably wrong, by your admission, and you pretend it’s not so… it’s really bad when you start to gaslight yourself, even if it’s only mildly)
@Eurosabra: “They were wrong.”
You admitted to tryingto manipulate women into sex. That IS sexual harassment. That IS against virtually every dorm’s code of conduct. How were they wrong?
Either you don’t ever manipulate women into having sex with you, and they wrongly sanctioned you, or you do, and they rightly sanctioned you.
Seriously man, take a stand one way or the other.
Everyone here might say they disagree with nomas, the link to the “study” and this.
“So, to be clear, what is a myth is the idea that fathers, or indeed men in general, make a meaningful non-financial contribution to children’s life outcomes. This is why the move towards ‘shared parenting’ is so damaging, as we’ve seen in Australia. If fathers really cared about their children, they would focus on providing for them, and their mothers, financially, and stop agitating for custody, access etc. which has been shown to be irrelevant to how well the child turns out.”
But this is the world we live in, men in any marriage or relationship are only valued for their monetary value to a woman or to a woman and her children. Fluffy words and phrases like, “primary careteaker,” and, “best interest of a child,” are used to reinforce placing men in a position of being relegated as nothing but a monetary based resource for her and her children. Present legal statutes do exactly that, if you support the present system you support the statements murphy has made. Men are simply useful as working units to pay for women. That is the only value any man has.
Didn’t we just go over a thousand comments about how just because something is a word doesn’t mean it’s a thing?
Heterophobia is not a thing. It’s especially not a thing that’s allied to institutional power. FFS.
He really went with heterophobia? Whathefuckever, dude. You really do believe your own shit, must be the gaslighting.
“mild gaslighting”
I was unattractive and extroverted. It made someone uncooooomfortable. They were wrong, full stop, end of.
Wait, I thought it was because you were friends with a stalker?
So it wasn’t your friend that got you in trouble, Eurosabra? Huh. It was you all along, how shocking.
Can’t keep the lies straight? I guess you are not a subtle as you thought. Mild gaslighting indeed.
I think this lie is closer to the truth than the previous one. Given what we know of Eurosabra’s dishonesty and lack of self-awareness, I would read “extroverted” as “pushy” and/or “creepy”.