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Spearheader: Women get jobs out of spite

Evil women oppressing men and destroying the economy.

JeremiahMRA’s call for lady murder wasn’t the only highlight (by which I mean lowlight) of that Fathers’ Day thread on The Spearhead. Towgunner also posted a rambling wall-of-text in which he offered some most intriguing thoughts on Fathers’ Day, economics, feminism, and ladies in general. Here’s are some excerpts, which I have taken the liberty of breaking into separate paragraphs:

Happy Oppressor’s day. I really like passive aggressive ruse by feminists who claim that housework is beneath them and thus oppressive. And yet, in honor of men and fathers, we have posts and articles discussing how fatherhood has “evolved”? …  

Like everything from feminism it contradicts itself. If equality is to “liberate” women (from staying at home, oh the humanity!) and that staying at home is something pathetic, then why doesn’t that apply to all people? Under this new understanding, no one should be subjected to the indignity of staying at home. So why are women throwing temper tantrums yet nothing is said of men?

Uh, maybe the issue is that men and women should be able to decide if they want to stay at home, rather than being compelled to either work or stay home based on their gender. Not that this choice is really a choice for most people, as most mothers, like most fathers, have to work.

Worse, if there is a trend of men staying at home, then it is a disturbing trend indicative of the major structural perversions created by government intervention.

Watch out, you’re spilling conspiracy theory all over your misogyny.

Today, thanks to our “smarter” and “faster” women, we’re to believe that fulfillment is an internship at goldman sachs…and, oh by the way, all these longer hours “they” are paying you less…and less and less.

Because … feminists are responsible for long hours and stagnating wages?

And then women write books on how their disadvantaged from “asking for more money”, because they were brought up with dolls? Never once do they acknowledge that everyone is being paid less because since the government gave them “their chance” it created incredible amounts of malinvestment, which effectively bankrupted the US and the West.

Ah yes, “allowing” women to enter into the workforce – never mind that they’ve always been in the workforce in large numbers – somehow caused the financial crisis that led to our current malaise? Towgunner, please show your work here.

This is all to show that women can be a part of human progress. It pains them to no end when they flip through a history book and its one man after the next. I say that they did have their chance and look at the results – we will go through another crisis, likely a huge global reset and the US is, right now, a vastly different country (not for the better)…look at our culture we celebrate death and killing people…we hold the most decadent and immoral on high.

You do realize that men still basically run the economy, right? That as of 2011 there were only 12 female CEOs in the Fortune 500? That the overwhelming majority of economic movers and shakers, in governments and in the private sector, are men?

The women’s world is here, they do things not out of practical necessity but out of spite, Mother’s Day comes and they bemoan house wives, Father’s day comes and they point out that some men are staying home. There is nothing practical here, there is spite, there is insult, and there is hubris.

Women get jobs out of spite?

I don’t admire women, I don’t ever want to be one either, there is nothing noble about them. In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.

And a happy belated Fathers’ Day to you too, Towgunner!

This comment got me thinking about the old Martha and the Muffins song “Women Around the World at Work.” So here it is:

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ozymandias42
9 years ago

…Wait, so he’s arguing that the past fifty years were worse than, say, the Middle Ages? o.O I’m just saying, the time periods in which feminism didn’t exist have been much more miserable than the modern day.

scarlettpipistrelle
9 years ago

Elmer is over here, if anyone wants to do any comment-plinking. http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiedrummond/2012/06/18/female-soldiers-health/

TK
TK
9 years ago

@scarlet I hope I’m not offending this Forbes commenter by cutting and pasting, but their comment is so kick ass it’s worth a read, in full.

Nathan Watts 4 hours ago
The author has a responsibility to address your comments in a manner that is professional and in keeping with the standards of the company’s policy regarding the communication with its readers.

I however, am not constrained by this and can address your comments in exactly the manner for which it properly deserves.

I cannot begin to describe how ignorant, uneducated, and misogynic your statement is. Honestly, it’s a complete embarrassment on so many levels…

It is obvious that you have never served sir, or you would already know the fundamental flaws in your statements.

First and foremost, as a military vet, I am insulted that you think so less of us as a WHOLE. Do you think you didn’t insult men in uniform with your thoughtless commentary? Think again oh sage of the ages… who do you think are making these decisions to begin with?

When you make these statements that you did about women you are simultaneously stating that you do not trust the military to make decisions about how it conducts itself, you do not believe men have the maturity or intelligence to be able to complete their mission without letting themselves be “fettered” by their female comrades, and you do not believe our leaders have the experience or knowledge to make an informed decision regarding these matters.

Well, as a 20 year vet I must say, I sure am glad to have someone as smart and wise as you come along and set 200 years and millions of military personnel throughout that time straight! Whew! Thank God for you! Now we can do it right!

News flash: They have been fighting side by side with us the whole time. Whether or not they get the recognition for what they have done throughout history or that they ever are given true “combat status” is irrelevant. Facts do not change: they have been doing it and will continue to do so. Boys like you that can’t wake up to this need not apply to the club. Yes, I said boy. I don’t care what your numerical “age” is; I’m referring to your mentality.

A point I don’t see addressed very much in these discussions, but is a deafening blow to any paranoid woman hater: Anyone anywhere in any job can tell you, if they are clinical in their observation and honest, military included, that 70% do the work, the other 30% watch, find ways to get out of it, and are a burden to the shop, and thus the mission itself. In all complete honesty, this is probably a “generous” percentage.

Women comprise of 10% of the military. Before ANYONE talks any bs about how women don’t belong, you need to show me that you have PROPERLY culled the ranks. Not just discharge people to meet a “downsize quota” – but get rid of the dirtbags. This won’t ever happen – so the entire discussion about whether or not women belong in the military is dead from INCEPTION.

I have had women subordinates, peers, and CO’s that could dance circles around many of my supposed “male” peers. THIS IS FACT. I HIGHLY suspect you would be one of those weak links – all the while fuming how it’s “women’s fault.”

Now please do the rest of the 21st Century a favor, and log off the internet, sell your computer, and never come back. We don’t need you and we will be just fine without ya.

scarlettpipistrelle
9 years ago

Yeah I saw that, great answer to elmer.

The Sensual Coalition of Men
The Sensual Coalition of Men
9 years ago

“”I don’t ever want to be one either”

… Was that an option? Like, he might accidentally become a woman?”

Don’t you know? Women being allowed in the workforce feminizes their male coworkers because we can’t tell all our awesome rape jokes anymore and we have to keep our pants on.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

OSHA is a tool of the gynocratic conspiracy. Without it pantslessness for all would be the norm.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
9 years ago

So if my grandmother got into accounting because she could make a decent salary at it (and support her male children and sick husband) and then my father decided to go into the same field because he figured he could make a decent salary too, does his manly virtue cancel out her feminine spite?

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

I have some good news, and some bad news, for our beloved Towgunner: I have not yet met a woman that I would consider him an equal to

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
9 years ago

OSHA is a tool of the gynocratic conspiracy. Without it pantslessness for all would be the norm.

Here’s a little anecdote. A million years ago, I was an office peon for a lab. The air conditioning unit was broken, it was summer, and it regularly got to 36C in our offices. We took to wearing summery clothing.

One of the (older, overweight) men office peons wore shorts to work one day, as many of the (youngish, not-overweight) women office peons had been doing for weeks, and got reprimanded. Apparently, a man wearing shorts in an office connected to a lab is a safety hazard, whereas a woman wearing shorts in an office connected to a lab is just hunky-dory.

Nothing AT ALL to do with the relative attractiveness of the exposed legs. Or the assumption that OF COURSE man peon worked IN the lab, and OF COURSE women peons were just secretaries.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
9 years ago

Fucking blockqutoes. Er, blockquotes.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

It pains them to no end when they flip through a history book and its one man after the next.

Yes actually that does pain me. If one thinks about it, imagine where we would be if women had been able to develop to their full potential instead of having to dance around the insane rules created to prevent them from doing so? And it annoys me that the contributions of the women who’s hard work made it possible for those men to go haring off on those adventures are completely ignored. They raised the children, kept the house, hosted the parties, did the extra money earning and countless other tasks to let the man become all important to history.

I say that they did have their chance and look at the results

What chance? You mean the past fifty years of roaring changes that have made life in many many ways so much better for so many people as women have gradually stopped being stifled? That chance? The sad thing is that the chance is still not complete because of asshats like this guy. When women comprise of 50% of all leadership positions-then, and only then, would I say we can assess the results. So far it looks pretty darn good even with today’s craptastic economy.

darksidecat
9 years ago

“Women only work to spite men!”
“But women need to work to survive.”
“Women only survive to spite men!”

[insert my usual long rambling about classism, women, privilege, and labor here]

I find it amusing too that he thinks the idea that housework is oppressive absurd when women do it, but if men do it, it’s a horrific and unthinkable injustice.

Jessay (@jessay)
9 years ago

Riiiight, ignore that good paying jobs are scarce due to outsourcing and blame it all on the women. Notice the economy didn’t start to decline until recently, when big corporations started shipping factory work, call centers, etc overseas. Women who expect at least the same wage as men are not the competition here, people in china who work for a tiny fraction of what you expect are.

And who thought outsourcing was a good idea? Could that be the men in charge of most corporations??

Also, I just did a really quick breakdown on my tumblr of a gww post which included a really quick list of how much house work costs when hiring someone to do it

http://unrest.tumblr.com/post/25412948918

The whole thing is really long, but here is what I found on average rates you would pay someone for the work that housewives (and working women who still do the house work) do:

-According to the National Association of Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies (NACCRRA), home daycare averages around $650 a month for infants, toddlers, and preschoolers. It ranges from about $3,582 to $11,940 per year (less in rural areas, a lot more in big cities)

-This includes a surrogate’s fee that is often in the range of $10,000 to $20,000.

-Prices start at about $50 to clean a small apartment twice a month, and can go on up to $250 or more to regularly clean a five bedroom, two-story home. Larger homes or less frequent visits can cost even more.

In addition, one time cleaning, such as when you move in, or out of, a new home or want a seasonal overhaul, can start at $150 for a small place and go up to about $500 for a larger house in need of more work.

So it can cost from $50 to $250 to clean a home, depending on how many rooms, how messy they are and what you want done and how often, and may go up to as high as $500 for a one-time over haul.

-The next step is deciding how many meals you need. Although prices and packages vary, most chefs offer what’s known as a “five by four” — four portions of five entrées and side dishes. This will provide 20 dinner-size servings. Personal chefs also offer a “five by two” — two portions of five entrées. But this is usually not cost-effective. A typical five-by-four costs between $350 and $400, including groceries. That’s $17.50 to $20 per person, more than a family-style eatery but less than an upscale restaurant. A five-by-two — half as much food — costs only about 20% less, $285 to $325, or around $30 a person.

-Personal Shopper Hourly Rate $8.24 – $44.70

This was a response to GWW describing the male/female relationship as:

“Women wanted to be protected, provided for and given the things they want and need. And men have, for the most part, kept doing that, for decades, even as what women say they want and need has changed.”

Yeah, really looks like women are just being given these things and not earning them. Ugh.

pangea
9 years ago

And MRAs have the nerve to declare the MRM is about equality. Bullshit. The mask slips, and we see how they really feel about women.

The MRM is about equality!

Now, let me give you a list of ways that men are better than women…

pangea
9 years ago

In other news, women get jobs because they need to eat, not because they’re mean meanies who want to make men miserable.

Too bad being female doesn’t preclude us from having to eat and pay bills.

Nanasha
Nanasha
9 years ago

Well, now that’s a coincidence- I don’t want to be an MRA, and I’m pretty sure that kickass high-paying jobs don’t just jump out and hire ANYONE, much less whiny jerks who have anger and misogyny issues (unless they “know someone”).

Why do these idiots have to blame women as a whole for their own personal failure at life? Plenty of men succeed and fail without treating women like they have evil conspiracy vaginas. Perhaps the structural inequalities are actually, ya know, more *complicated* than just blaming an entire group of people based on a phenotypical resemblance.

Actually, you know what I think? I’d love to see these guys get married to each other. I think they’d be perfect for each other.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

I’m pretty sure that, as a woman, I only eat breakfast and take showers out of spite.

scarlettpipistrelle
9 years ago

A convenient little compendium of nastiness. http://linksouo.blogspot.com/2012/06/suffrage.html

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

I got JeremiahMRA and Towgunner confused v.v.

Anyway, just so you know, Spearheaders, if I actually didn’t need food to survive I would gladly give up my female-typed (and consequently undervalued) work. I would stop stealing jobs from worthy men, and you guys would have the opportunity to do the sorts of paid labour that have been coded female since before and during the idyllic 50s you keep misremembering. But I don’t think that’s what you want. I think you think you’re too good for women’s work.

I think what you’re really after is making women entirely financially dependent on men, so that if you manage to get involved with a woman she won’t be able to leave you. She’ll be grateful for the opportunity to do whatever household labour you don’t want to do for room and board, because it’s her only choice, regardless of how you treat her.

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
9 years ago

OSHA is a tool of the gynocratic conspiracy. Without it pantslessness for all would be the norm.

When I have to do my quarterly hospital Environment of Care evaluation, I consult my OSHA manual, particularly the Misandry appendix in the back. I can confirm that OSHA requires pants to remain on in the workplace.

There’s also a set of standards to ensure that your workplace be as miserable as it can for men.

Fact.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

“In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.”

And this is why we still need feminism, thanks for proving the point I guess?

Re: OHSA and pants — only required if your job requires pants, sorry for the tautology but not all jobs require pants (eg lifeguards). Get a pantsless job if pants are so hard?

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
9 years ago

I looked through history and see men too, and many of these men committed atrocities on scales no woman has ever come close to committing. And this asshole has the audacity to look down on women? Go figure.

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

No discussion about having to wear pants being oppressive would be complete without a link to this:

darksidecat
9 years ago

I firmly support the right of men and people of all other genders, to wear skirts and dresses to work where safety/practicality rules permit.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

darksidecat — while I doubt that’s what the MRM meant, I wholeheartedly agree. They’d laugh though if we said that the patriarchy hurts men too because they can’t wear skirts (the MRAs that is, not men in general, I know skirt wearing men). And I’m not going to guess what the MRM would say about non-binaries, but skirts/dresses for everyone sound excellent.

In related things, it is way too hot for pants today.

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