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MGTOWers agree: “Most American women have fallen apart or completely without value by 40.”

Future MGTOWer?

For a bunch of guys who love to pretend they don’t care about women, Men Going Their Own Way certainly do love to talk about them. So much so that I’m thinking they may need to update their little acronym to MGTOAW: Men Going Tediously On About Women.

Over on MGTOWforums.com, for example, the regulars are having their tenth billion discussion about how women totally get all ugly as they get older, while men get handsomer and more awesome. Gannicus, himself 40 years YOUNG, starts things off with this:

To me, one of the most obvious things a man should notice is that in the US, most American women have fallen apart or completely without value by 40.

Is it just me, or does that “in the US, most American women” bit remind you of Miss South Carolina and her “US Americans?”

I know some will say it happens earlier, but lets just stick with a round number. And lets forget about virtue, loyalty, honesty, etc for a moment, which we know is not exactly known to be a top export of American women. Just being completely shallow and superficial, based on appearance alone, I find it disgusting and repulsive to view virtually any woman at 40. I just turned 40 and I am proud of my appearance. I expect to continue taking care of my body,etc.

However, I feel that based on looks. weight, hair, facial quality, etc. that 1% or less of Amercian women at 40 are, shall we say,bangable or even tolerable if you had to stare at for 10 minutes. And lets not even mention that wretched term from a bygone era called feminity. That is almost unheard of in the US in any age group. …

Which then leads me to wonder what the hell do young guys think their female partners will look like at 40? I mean, do they think THEIR girl will be different?

I’m just throwing this out as a hypothesis here, but I’m guessing that “most young guys” aren’t angry, bitter, woman-hating assholes who think all women over 40 are hideous hagbeasts.

Back on MGTOWforums.com, Downandout repectfully disagrees with Gannicus thesis. He believes that many women get ugly long before they hit 40.

It’s not so much that American women hit 40, it’s that 40 hits American women. Hard.

Jokes aside, I don’t think you can peg it to one number. A lot of skanks are starting to look awful in their 20s. Take Lindsay Lohan for example. Girls are starting to drink, do drugs, eat shit, and party hard at a very early age. Their small bodies can’t take that kind of abuse, and it’s showing. On top of that, they wear pounds of makeup to cover up the abuse, which only further contributes to the problem.

Deathslayer quotes the expert testimony of a colleague who calls himself RealDealBrotha:

Look at how quickly these chick fall COMPLETELY off, yet they STILL think they can do everything a man does for as long as a man does it…. NOT! …

Look at all the females who whore away their prime years, or go into career mode, or just choose men for silly reasons and NOT try to better themselves enough to be WORTHY of a good man (who is NOT a simp) wifing them up. They have so little regard for men that they think that they can have good men at their beck and call after they’re aged out fat chicks dragging around kids who they had with other men. It REALLY does NOT work that way, yet they don’t ever figure out the obvious until it’s too late.

We see and hear this story all the time. It comes up so often, that it’s really funny to me now. It warms my heart to know how badly these arrogant, misandric, selfish, worthless women are doomed to crash, burn and live the remainder of their wretched lives as bitter old maids whose only value will be as jumpoffs for bottom-feeder men who lack the guts and the nuts to raise the bar.

It’s always nice to see MGTOWers complain about misandry in comments overflowing with angry misogyny.

Toadman, for his part, seems happy to ignore women altogether, celebrating his independence by sitting at home eating canned food that’s way past its expiration date.

I have an unopened can of pork-and-beans in the cupboard that will taste the same as when canned. It’s lasted longer than the 10-15 years of female fertile desireability. Talk about “shelf-life”.

As they say, living well is the best revenge.

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

You know, I will give wrong-on-the-internet this — ze’s right about the DSM being light reading — that was almost certainly meant as snark but it’s usually quite good at putting me to sleep.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Typing at the same time FTW!!

I agree with you in general, the current one is the only free one I could find not through the rape crisis center and that was a bit too, um, real? Which means I’m seeing frikken’ Catholics, it’d never be my first choice had I had an actual choice in the matter. Because oh gods do I need the “What is your opinion on polyamory?” answer to be “*shrug* if it works for you” (and, for that matter, not to suddenly be monotheist while in their office) — unfortunately I basically was the helpless patient, long story short I am very lucky not to have had a “happy new year’s, you’re now homeless” 2012, and kind of went extra nuts over that.

MSWs are the bottom of the hierarchy cuz they don’t have PhD’s, “just” master’s degrees — they’d be my first choice too, again, if I’d really had a choice >.<

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Lulz. My grandmother tried to convince me to go to a Catholic charity. I was like OH HELL FUCK NO. I know kind Catholics exist… but come on, I’m not going to an aquarium to look at the zebras, you know?

Fortunately, we’re gainfully employed, and though we live around the poverty line, I am Cheapy McCheapAss with a little savings so I can afford therapy. (Also, after five years, our shrink is incredibly lenient with us. Bless her.) The ability to be completely open about who we are in therapy is really the only way I can get anywhere. Unfortunately, the worse I feel, the harder it is to be able to do all the coming out and Multi101.

Urgh. Yeah, psychiatrists seem to be at the top, and our parents would encourage us to go to one. I kept going, “WHY? They’re MEDICAL doctors. They deal more with physical or neurochemical shit, which has nothing to do with me,” only to get told that medical doctor > therapist. Uhhhh huh.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

“but come on, I’m not going to an aquarium to look at the zebras, you know?” but…but…you have to see the zebras to get to the aquarium here! Utterly random, I know, but it annoys me I have to walk past a bunch of basically caged animals, some of them endangered, just to get to the aquarium. *loves the fishies*

As for the rest, medical doctors are not better than therapists by such a large margin that it’s actually moot if I’m comfortable talking in “therapy” — it’s no such thing but rather ~15 min review of the last round of drugs (all have failed hilariously so far, as in “I’ll pass on ‘suicidal’ as a side-effect, thanks”) — which makes it basically impossible to try explaining anything >.<

Also, your MSW could refer you to an MD if she thought you needed meds, but an MD isn't generally going to refer you to an MSW.

Argh, it's 2, and I need not to get up at midnight, my nocturnal self should probably get to bed soon. Well, once I finish my tea that is.

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Urgh. Yeah, that would be completely, utterly useless for me. Every once in a while, a relative will ask us if there are meds that can turn us singlet, and the answer is no. No, there’s not. And if there were, we would not take them. Ditto eating disorders, but nobody has ever asked us to take drugs for THAT. Even when I AM feeling suicidal, drugs are so not the answer. (Getting Gigi to take them if she fronted would be fucking impossible, even if they DID work perfectly well on all of us the same way.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Yeah there’s definitely no pill to make multiples non-multiple, the “pill” for eating disorders depends which one — the only medical intervention is a feeding tube in anorexia patients to combat malnourishment. Even if Gigi would take an anti-depressant, they take at least a month to work, they aren’t really useful for suicidal people in general (no, they just lock you up til you aren’t suicidal anymore, at least my psych is too dense for me to worry about that?)

Having taken SSRIs though, the zombie-like side effect probably would affect you all (and the body would probably have the weight gain side effect, idk how that’d go over with any of you) — I can see why you’d be wary of them, I certainly am.

And now I really am going to bed!

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

Yeah. No thanks. Much happier not-institutionalized, thanks, and using my support system.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

I got delayed by email >.<

Definitely agree with you on that though. Also, there's only live recordings so far, but Emilie Autumn's Take the Pill might be my new favorite song for this reason. (please embed!)

http://youtu.be/YECcO9VlHWY

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: Argenti

Actually, by talking to you about therapy crap, I’ve actually been able to remind myself so I feel less overwhelmed in my current search! Thank you!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

LBT — Good luck with your searching! And glad I could help in a tangential way.

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