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Men’s Rights Bronies, Part 2: The Piggening

Oy vey.

Hot on the heels of my recent discovery of Men’s Rights Bronies, a new controversy about My Little Pony has erupted in the Men’s Rights subreddit. Though, to be honest, I might have provoked most of the actual controversy there by wading into the muck and pointing out a few facts.

The discussion centers around a rather obtuse post by Kathleen Richter on the Ms. Blog from two years ago accusing the show’s creators of racism and homophobia, among other things. The post couldn’t be more wrong about everything, and, unsurprisingly, was torn apart by commenters on the site – and by Lauren Faust, then the show’s “creative steward” and executive producer, who was given the opportunity to write a rebuttal on the Ms. Blog.

So why are the dudes on the Men’s Rights subreddit getting worked up by this dead controversy today? Because an MRA who calls himself ThePigman – we took a look at one of his terrible, terrible comic strips here – decided to post Richter’s original post (but not Faust’s rebuttal) to r/mensrights under the title “My Little Pony FIM attacked by nuts at Ms Magazine Blog. NOT, repeat, NOT a satire.”

Perhaps inadvisedly, I posted a comment pointing out that the Richter’s blog post had not exactly been well-received.  And this happened. (Click on the pic for a full-sized version.)

The whole discussion is rather surreal. Some highlights.

ThePigman responding to a rather straightforward and factual comment of mine with:

You are a disgusting animal. Go and talk to someone else, just having you on the same planet makes me want to puke.

Ullere repeatedly misrepresenting my recent post on Men’s Rights Bronies.

The dude who regularly posts on r/mensrights as “Manzboobz” makes an appearance.

And this barely coherent little masterpiece of sarcasm from our old friend Eoghan (who posts on r/mensrights as Sigil1):

As someone who speaks fluent Eoghan, let me translate: he is suggesting that the women discussing the issue of MLP on the Ms. Blog are all a bunch of layabouts living off of their hard-working husbands. He’s also making a snide reference to feminism as being an “astro-turf” movement (rather than a true grassroots movement) because, in his mind, feminism is all a big plot created and funded by the CIA and the evil elitists who run the world.

Eoghan aside, this whole episode suggests how difficult it is for a feminist to have any kind of discussion with MRAs even on the Men’s Rights subreddit, probably the most moderate MRA forum out there. (Several other people posted references to Faust’s rebuttal, but weren’t downvoted, because they aren’t the dreaded, more-evil-than-evil-itself “manboobz.”)

A couple of days ago, one poster to r/mr asked “Why are there not more feminists here” debating the issues with MRAs. Here’s your answer.

EDITED TO ADD:  ThePigman has responded to this and my previous Brony post in his typically calm and reasonable manner on his blog. By which I mean he spewed forth a bunch of angry nonsense.

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Lauren
10 years ago

Interesting… I just did a whole post about MLP. I wish it was as feminist as it wants to be, but I have some big problems with it. I really don’t get the Bronies thing, but I am fascinated by this phenomenon. As always, reddit entertains…

Cliff Pervocracy
10 years ago

I wonder how many MRAs think you, personally, are funded by the CIA.

Cliff Pervocracy
10 years ago

I also wonder how much of a feminist you need to be to get CIA funding. Do you need to actually be working in government advancing the Feminist Agenda? How about being a lobbyist? Would a feminist writer count? How about a feminist blogger? *wink wink* Would you need a certain readership to qualify for a CIA stipend?

Or is it enough to merely be a feminist? Like, if I give Uncle Joe a hard time at the dinner table because he says women should just be mothers instead of going to college, is that worth a bonus from the CIA? If I vote with women’s rights in mind, can I at least get five bucks for lunch? What exactly are the standards here?

…Do people like Eoghan think about these things?

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Leave it Ullere to completely miss a point.

Nice to see the reddit mods still won’t take down your impersonator.

TheNatFantastic
10 years ago

I like the idea that feminists just sit around all day getting furious as hell at cartoons, but not giving a shit about ‘important’ issues. Because, as we know, people can’t be concerned with more than one issue at a time. In fact, I was just thinking about how shitty the Where The Wild Things Are film looked (Maurice Sendak just died 🙁 ), and now I don’t care about ending FGM any more. Trufax.

Cliff Pervocracy
10 years ago

They’re pretty much spelling out “it’s okay to cherrypick feminists for one silly quote from months ago, but MRAs must be judged only by our most reasonable and moderate members,” too.

clairedammit
clairedammit
10 years ago

BUT A WOMAN WROTE SOMETHING STUPID ONCE

Nate
Nate
10 years ago

I know it’s low-hanging fruit, but the dissonance of someone who chooses to refer to himself as The Pigman calling someone else a “disgusting animal” is pretty darn lulzy.

Anthony Zarat
10 years ago

The same thing happens to me if I don’t get eough sleep, and try to write something coherent.

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
10 years ago

No, it’s just because you’re a shitwit.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Whatever Zarat. That’s probably another lie.

Cliff Pervocracy
10 years ago

AntZ just implied that he sometimes is coherent.

Maybe he hasn’t gotten proper sleep in years?

Snowy
Snowy
10 years ago

The same thing happens to me if I don’t get eough sleep, and try to write something coherent.

Finally an explanation for everything Antz has ever said!

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
10 years ago

No no, y’all! He’s a victim of institutionalized misandry! He has to stay up all night designing his FOREIGN BRIDE’S VR replacement whilst mapping out the great divide. That’s what makes him incoherent donchaknow!

Hershele Ostropoler
10 years ago

AntZ, how long has it been since you’ve slept? Eighteen months or so?

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Yesterday I cared about rape culture. Today, I care about cake.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

There is only 1 active care unit in my brain at any time.

Cliff Pervocracy
10 years ago

I’m making a grocery list right now, so clearly I don’t care about domestic violence.

ronalon42
10 years ago

I don’t get why MRAs would like MLP. The only real reoccuring male character is the baby dragon Spike who has unrequited crush on Rarity and is used as manual labor/ scribe/ letter deliverer by the ponies who often forget to include him in friend -oriented activities.

It is really so far beyond mind boggling I have to conclude that they truly are living in an alternate reality.

So I am still confused, are they agreeing with the show, or with the critique of the show, or is it just the idea of women disagreeing that they like? I haven’t been around long enough to decipher it all.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Antz, talk to a therapist yet? Seriously. Do it.

Cliff Pervocracy
10 years ago

I’m never quite sure what Spike’s relationship with Twilight Sparkle is. Is he her employee? Student? Friend? Coworker? Pet?

cloudiah
10 years ago

Confession: I have never seen MLP, so I have no context with which to interpret this remark from the reddit thread. Help?

(Secret sidebar: Mr. Cake is one of my favorite characters, from an MRA perspective, but even he is not immune to the subtle problems – S2E13, wherein the Cakes have twins, Mr. Cake makes some stuttering, nervous remarks about how he’s distantly related to a unicorn and a pegasus, so it’s OK that his twins are one of each while both of the Cakes are regular earth ponies. It’s interesting how the show is insinuating that Mrs. Cake cheated on Mr. Cake, and he seems to know it and stays with Mrs. Cake anyway. I wonder if, in the MLP-FIM matriarchy, their divorce laws are in any way similar to ours…)

Source.

Wha?

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

cloudiah I’ve seen one episode, so I can’t explain, but I love this line from that link — “ignoring the racial aspect, because they’re friggin’ multicolored ponies, people” — so MRAs can handle that part but are worried about divorce laws in pony world? o.O?

Also — “If I vote with women’s rights in mind, can I at least get five bucks for lunch?” — or at least bus fare to the poll and back?

Cliff Pervocracy
10 years ago

I don’t think the show is insinuating that Mrs. Cake cheated on Mr. Cake. I think the show is insinuating “even regular horsies can have magical baby horsies, how magical,” because for God’s sake it’s a show about talking ponies learning the value of friendship. They are not going to throw in a subplot about pony sexual infidelity and pony divorce law.

Kyrie
Kyrie
10 years ago

Right now, there are three different tought in my brain:
– you must work. Write this thing.
– go to sleep. Sleep is soft, sleep is nice, I know you wanna sleep, just close your eyes for a second and it will be much better
– internet is awesome. look at this article. And this funny thing. And this cute one. Manboobz!

There is clearly no room for caring about DV. Maybe tomorrow.

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