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When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude.

I did a search for PUA and this showed up. So, fuck it, I'm going with it.

When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!

His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.

In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.

Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:

Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.

It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.

In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.

If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)

It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:

Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.

In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:

[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.

Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.

It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.

Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:

[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.

And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.

Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!

So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.

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Pecunium
10 years ago

I’m glad it wan’t MRAL.

pillowinhell
10 years ago

Thanks Pecunium, that was quite the history lesson. Isn’t it interesting how documented history and sciences frequently show how much sexual mores change over time. And that it never seems to match with what MRAs and conservatives seem to teach (or school for that matter). The way I’ve always heard it, girls were marrying at 15 and 16 up until the victorian era. Hmm, wonder why someone might want that meme spreading around…

I think I’ll save you history lesson. It might come in handy to make someones head explode.

darksidecat
10 years ago

Giving birth at a younger age increases risk of infant and maternal mortality, as well as serious maternal injury (I’m using maternal because that is the most common term, not all people giving birth are women or mothers).

You double maternal mortality by birthing between 15-19 vs 20-24, for people 10-14 the rate of death is up to five times as high (according to the WHO). They are more likely to suffer from anemia when pregnant, as well as suffering from higher rates of malnutrition, high blood pressure, and eclampsia (Women’s International Network 2000 and IHEU 2006). Birth fistulas are more common the younger the person giving birth is, worldwide 75% of obstetric fistula is in girls under 20 (WHO 2009)

Infant mortality is up to twice as high for the infants born to people under 20 as their over 20 peers (UNICEF2001).

We have this twisted cultural notion that once a girl menstruates and become pregnant that she is physically as mature and ready to birth as adult women, but in fact the health risks are significant, and it is not ideal from a health perspective to have high rates of birth before 20.

Ymata
Ymata
10 years ago

*delurk*

But Neph wrote almost exactly as MRAL does. The talk of height, “womyn”, the particular swears used, and the thing he does when he keeps posting about a topic he’s interested in even if no one else is talking about it.

*relurk*

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Congrats Skyal and Kristin (again)! 😀

Entrap those men! XD

Given what I’ve seen of our trolls, it’s possible that he just saw “Judea” and took the easiest path in his brain to insult us XD

Pecunium
10 years ago

Ymata: That habit (never changing the topic) isn’t unique to MRAL. NWO does it. There were stylistic quirks that weren’t MRAL,and seemed unique to Nephy. So I’d have been not surprised to find it was MRAL, but am less surprised to find it’s not.

KristinMH
10 years ago

I know Manboobz has Moved On, but I wanted to respond…

Glad it went well, Skyal! I’ve been fearing a giant baby, since my sister and I were both around 9 1/2 pounds (and yet I’m only 5’1″-5’2″…oh well). But it’ll get out one way or another.

Ozy, not only have I never aborted a male fetus, I chose not to find out what sex my baby would be! So until it actually comes out I am pregnant with Schrodinger’s Baby.

Do I have to hand in my feminist card now? XD

Skyal
Skyal
10 years ago

I’m only 5′, Kristin. And this baby was 9lb 3oz. I was sure at most he would be 7lb 8 or so. Took about twice as long to get him out as my 6lb 6oz baby, but I did it. I know of some women my size who’ve had 11lb babies. Pretty sure I couldn’t, but I figured about 8lb was as big as I could grow/birth a baby. Have you looked into optimal fetal positioning? If baby is in a good position, it’s a lot easier for them to come out, even if they’re bigger. Great site is spinningbabies.com

kristinmh
kristinmh
10 years ago

The midwife who taught my prenatal class talked a lot about fetal positioning…I’ve been spending lots of time on my hands and knees to try to prevent back labour. Fortunately the little bastard is head down and engaged, so at least that’s not an issue.

felixBC
felixBC
10 years ago

I could swear that’s MRAL. Just even meaner, slightly angrier, more in control, and long winded. So, MRAL in 5 years

Emetique Necrotica
Emetique Necrotica
10 years ago

I was with you guys until the virgin-shaming happened.

If you guys are going to take the piss out of Roissy for being an illogical, overcompensating con man he deserves it, but leave us virgins out of it.

I consider myself a feminist to a degree. As a matter of fact, I’ve been lurking on here the past several days after seeking a bit of “relief” from a misogynistic website I had accidentally stumbled upon that made me feel icky.

I’ve been lurking on here the past several days, but this thread in particular highlights the main disconnect between myself and other feminists. I am a virgin, and yes, I am female. Granted the number of times I’ve seen the word “slut-shaming” being thrown around, to see the word “virgin” applied often in a negative context waves a huge red flag of inconsistency.

It’s quite obvious that Roissy’s fetish for sexually inexperienced women is to exploit them, but to read comments like “Who wants a sexually inexperienced woman anyway?” (to paraphrase Scar’s comment) makes me feel no better. Why am I, a virgin, being targeted in this statement instead of him? In March, I turn 24 and I will still be a virgin and I’m at odds with my status. Being a virgin, I already feel undesirable in the first place, especially facing social anxieties over having sex, why? Not because of some moral hangup at all, but because I feel unattractive. Just because Roissy prefers sexually inexperienced women, or god-awful virgins according to a few of you, to suit his predatory, pseudo-scientific agenda to corrupt them doesn’t mean that we don’t think or feel as much as any of you do.

Don’t worry, Roissy wouldn’t touch me with a ten foot pole anyway, since I’m an overweight metalhead who thinks independently and can spot a predatory creep from a mile away.

It’s a serious Catch-22 for people to undermine my sexual desirability as never having had sex when the only way that can change is by *gasp* having sex, but I’m a virgin and am therefore, as a sexual being, less valuable than sexually active women. Who wants a virgin, right? We’re just all so awkward and unsexy. I guess you were all born experienced.

I’ve distanced myself from feminism because of the selective humanity. In defending one group of women, you manage to outcast others. Feminists are so quick to react negatively to sexually active women being called “skanks” and “whores” yet they refer to being a virgin as though it’s a bad thing. Way to reinforce a sense of community by alienating the rest of us, ladies.

For the record, last year I had to report someone at my job for sexual harassment because he wouldn’t stop prying about my virginity. He thought he could shame me for my lack of a sex life by continuously asking me why I was still a virgin.

“Are you a prude? Mormon? A lesbian?”. Yet, the most painful part of all, was not only being reminded why I am still, but knowing that he intentionally put me on the spot, because he could sense my insecurity.

Feminists tend to leap forward when the integrity of a woman’s sexuality is being threatened, but are sudden to dismiss a woman as a sexual being if she’s a virgin. I guess some women are just more equal than others. Tell me, is there a minimal requirement for how many men I need to sleep with in order to be sexually adequate? So much for women sticking together.

Drakalandar
Drakalandar
9 years ago

Roissy is completely retarded : he doesn’t seem to be aware that for a man to have sex with many women, many women have to actually sleep with him. There wouldn’t be “female sluts” if there weren’t “male sluts” (because he only considers heterosexual relations), and he promotes the latter while looking at the former with contempt. Because the more women a man sleeps with, the more chances that the women they sleep with are actually having more partners than the average increases.
But if we had to explain all the things wrong about him, I bet the amount of words would exceed by far the one contained in every Bible printed over the world put together.

Sorry if this is a bit confused but English isn’t my first language.

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