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Lesbianism by numbers, courtesy of the Men’s Rights subreddit. Plus kitties.

They're probably feminists too.

The smirky MRA douchebag thingsarebad didn’t win a lot of friends when he used to comment here. Ironically, it seems that he’s not doing that much better over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, where his comments tend to garner about as many downvotes as upvotes. Yes, it is possible to be too much of a douche for even the highly douche-tolerant Men’s Rights subreddit.

Anyway, all that is a sort of rambling prelude to my main point here, which is: thingsarebad has figured out that whole “lesbian” thing, and wants to share his results with the world. Also, feminism. His science is tight.

Confused a bit by that explanation? Would you like a much, much longer explanation, replete with fake statistics he’s “mentated” out of his ass? Well, prepare yourself a stiff drink and take a look at this megacomment of his from earlier in that same thread.

We’ll just wait here while you digest all that.

Done? Share your thoughts below, or check out the ShitRedditSays discussion of it all.

Or just watch this video of a rather portly cat climbing into a vase.

Hey, I promised a kitty video to someone in the comments here a couple of days ago. I may be a little slow sometimes, but I am a man of my word.

While I’m at it, here’s a bonus vid of a kitty and a Kleenex box.

 

362 replies on “Lesbianism by numbers, courtesy of the Men’s Rights subreddit. Plus kitties.”

I see TAB has the “Shield of the Righteous”. He quotes a religious text and implies it applies to him.

Self-examination/awareness is (as previous examples made clear) not one of his talents.

And a Mormon… that explains a lot. There is (for all that most of the Mormons I know are swell people) a huge stream of anti-equality in Mormon theology, and a huge antipathy to homosexuality. A number of people I like a lot, I don’t talk about QUILTBAG issues, because they get stoopid.

MRAL: It is not polite to refer to people as having deformities. The correct term is “disability.” Club feet interfere with normal activity of daily life; being intersex does not.

TAB: Shy people are feminine? Smart people are masculine? Are nerds all inherently androgynous? o.O

“This is a blog for man-hating feminists who are confused about sexuality and the world in general”

LMAO!

1) I don’t hate men.

2) I’m not a feminist, I’m a humanist.

3) I’m pretty positive about sexuality. It’s pretty simple once you think about it. Although I find it difficult to see life through an asexual’s eyes =P

4) I’m not confused about the world but thanks for the concern

I’m pretty sure the rest of them here would disagree with your statement too.

It isn’t know, and, you know what, I don’t particularly fucking care. It is none of your damn business, thingsarebad, and we don’t care what you think. This obsession with queer origins presupposes that hetero is “normal” and that queerness is a deviance in need of explanation. Queerness and transness aren’t inferior, they don’t need justified. Funny how I don’t see you putting this same obsession into figuring out food preferences (mustard, ketchup, or both?! The burning question!) or any other sort of inclination that doesn’t involve violating your fool ass social norms. We are human beings, not objects for your spectacle.

you’ll have your ideologues trying to warp the studies to confirm their own beliefs

ah, the oblivious irony, it burns!

because studies and statistics cannot be trusted

You have presented neither of these, so fuck off. Also, studies and statistics should be evaluated and followed up with experiments and data, not accepted on unthinking faith. But, again, as you have not presented such, it is a moot fucking point.

“It is medically normal…”

Define that phrase, please, oh please. If the narrow medical model around sex doesn’t match actual human bodies, your conclusion is that bodies are wrong rather than the model?

On a related note, MRAL probably still believes in humors and treating diseases with mercury, because, fuck, medicine is an instrument of divine providence and not a human system managed by humans.

@katz: Rarity!

JEEZ JOANNA I SAID IT WAS NOT OPEN TO DEBATE

Um, I thought maybe we should consider Fluttershy? If nobody minds?

“And a Mormon… that explains a lot. There is (for all that most of the Mormons I know are swell people) a huge stream of anti-equality in Mormon theology, and a huge antipathy to homosexuality. A number of people I like a lot, I don’t talk about QUILTBAG issues, because they get stoopid.”

Same with Islam. These religions have yet to undergo the time appropriate feminization that other religions have undergone, or are currently undergoing. Who knows if they ever will? Maybe they are just too masculine oriented to ever undergo feminization, and that is precisely why MRAs are constantly cheerleading for them and wishing for them to take over the world and “set things right” for The Patriarchy again.

Some women like this, the more “masculine”, “tom boy”, “smart girl” types, they’re just naturally attracted to women, that’s my Group A. The others I think you’re referring to, the feminine, pretty, shy types, could have easily ended up with men in a culture where men are allowed to be men and women are allowed to be women.

I cannot stop laughing at the fact that he comes right out and says that “smart” is the opposite of “feminine, pretty, shy.”

Hey, TAB, you like arguing with pictures, right? Here’s a picture for you. Tell me, is this woman “feminine” and “pretty” or is she “smart”? It’s got to be one or the other! :-p

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e6SfFDqYGZU/TWE1CjPj2zI/AAAAAAAAAi8/SMvNz_Ivyts/s1600/lamarr_l.jpg

“WTF is “time-appropriate feminization”?”

That means its 2011 for fuck’s sake. Time to burn the goddamned burqa!

“I cannot stop laughing at the fact that he comes right out and says that “smart” is the opposite of “feminine, pretty, shy.””

Hey TAB, I’m smart and pretty. Head splode right ???

Now this part is weird and interesting.

“However, having been to literally hundreds of masjids around the world, I can tell you that there is a certain demographic pattern of Western woman who converts.”

This would not be true of the vast majority of Muslims. Why, and how, have you been to hundreds of different mosques all over the world? Is this part of some sort of academic research? Is your father a diplomat? Because I grew up as a classic Third Culture kid, on 4 different continents, and I wouldn’t make a claim that ambitious about going to, say, churches, or temples. The only kind of place I’d make that kind of numerical claim for would be restaurants. Why visit such an unusually large number of mosques? Or is that just hyperbole?

Also, yeah, again – Sharia law is not going to happen on a wide scale in Europe, because the European Union is never, ever going to agree to that. There may be (and in some places already are) Sharia courts that are allowed to adjudicate certain issues, but honestly, no country is going to allow the challenge to their legal system’s authority that giving those courts any real power would represent. And the law of the land will always prevail.

“It’s been heading that way for some time: Islam for men, Christianity for women.”

And now we’re in a dystopian Sherry Tepper novel. Raising The Stones, to be precise.

Now, back to the other delusional weirdo.

“Women’s desire for a man and his penis is very great. On the other hand, although men tend to have a desire for women and their vajayjays, it’s not to the same degree, as men are not driven so wholly on impulse as women are.”

This may well be the funniest thing that anyone has ever written on the internet.

“However, having been to literally hundreds of masjids around the world, I can tell you that there is a certain demographic pattern of Western woman who converts.”

“This would not be true of the vast majority of Muslims.”

Reread. Do you see anywhere that I wrote about “vast majority of Muslims”? I SPECIFICALLY said “a certain demographic pattern of WESTERN WOMEN who convert”. And those women are a very small minority of women in the world, mahshallah!

“Why, and how, have you been to hundreds of different mosques all over the world?”

My family moved alot.

“Is this part of some sort of academic research?”

In the beginning, no. After I became a Feminist, yes.

“It’s been heading that way for some time: Islam for men, Christianity for women.”

“And now we’re in a dystopian Sherry Tepper novel. Raising The Stones, to be precise.”

I didn’t write the dystopian 2 gender religion theory, an MRA did. He supports it, but of course.

I don’t know about a dystopia, but if these MRA blogs are anything to go by, I do suspect that you’ll be hearing of some conversions to the Religion of Peace.

Salamallaikum!

TAB said:

“I developed a model, a theory, that is all. Kind of silly to call me a “liar” for it lol.”

1. You developed neither a model, nor a theory. Both of those require some evidence and you’ve provided nothing even remotely resembling a fact, never mind evidence that can be examined or even providing a source (presumeably because the only source you have is your imagination) You’ve presented a bunch of factoids that you’ve made up yourself to justify your own prejudices. You added made up “guesstimates” in order to make it look more legitimate and “sciency”. Come back with some evidence and I’m quite sure people would be happy to listen but as it stands it just looks like a homophobic hate screed.

2. Referring to someone as a “tranny” is, in many circles, considered to be extremely rude and if that’s not your intent I strongly suggest you stop using it.

3. This is a very mixed group of people and many of them are extremely well educated in the fields in which you are trying to pass yourself off as an expert. Many people here are also gay, lesbian or bisexual so I suspect that they have a far better understanding of their own sexuality than you do. Perhaps you might benefit from listening to what they have to say rather than dismissing them all as being ignorant because the don’t agree with you.

4. WTF? You’re actually going to quote The Book of Mormon at us? LMFAO

Wait, wait, did TAB seriously argue that the reason strapons exist is that women have a craving for cock?

Uh, you do realize there are nerves in the vagina, right? They don’t magically go bye-bye if you don’t like the peen.

Ithiliana: No worries. I accidentally call myself “Oxy” all the time. 🙂

I would bet ALL THE $MONEY$ that he either doesn’t know pegging exists or thinks it makes guys gay.

Every time I see TAB’s name it’s like “temporarily able-bodied?” and I have a confuse.

Now I’m thinking of those awful TV commercials with the very energetic man with all the muscles for Oxy Clean. Just looking at him makes me feel like I need a nap.

Ozymandias said:

“Wait, wait, did TAB seriously argue that the reason strapons exist is that women have a craving for cock?”

Yes…yes I believe he did! Excuse me I’m rolling around on the floor laughing because of all the idiocy! Where the hell did he get this crap…oh wait! 

Forget pegging. TAB has obviously never heard of fisting.

He also wrote, “In a culture where men are taught to be more like women and women are taught to be more like men, it doesn’t surprise me that many women choose, yes in many of these cases CHOOSE, women over men.”

TAB, there were lesbians in ancient Greece. (Ever hear of this chick called Sappho?) Do you think women were considered lesser by culture even way back then?

Okay, I want to just point out that US born black people are a significant portion of Muslims in the US (about a third total) and the majority of Muslim converts in the US traditionally have not been white people (there is the additional issue that middle easterners were counted as white by many official US statistics until very recently), but rather black people (in addition, Latino Muslim converts are on the rise in the US, because of the history of the black muslim movement in the US doing prison education). The Arab Muslim population in the US is towered over by the South East Asian (India, Indonesia, etc.) and black muslim populations. It does amuse me that the panic over Islam seems to completely forget the substantial historical black muslim movement in the US, some of whom were anything but right wingers.

This conflation of Muslim with Arab is interesting, and it certainly does not reflect US Muslim demographics. The “typical” Muslim immigrant to the US is from India and is highly educated, the “typical” Muslim convert in the US is black and low income (in addition, of US born Muslims, more than half are black).

So, American women who convert to Islam because their spouse is a Muslim…more likely than not, you are discussing a low income black woman who is likely to attend a black american mosque.

Nah, your minions are boring. It’s impossible to enjoy them, they’re too dull.

(Grammar and punctuation – how does it work?)

DSC: It does amuse me that the panic over Islam seems to completely forget the substantial historical black muslim movement in the US, some of whom were anything but right wingers.

I think this is both true, and considered a feature. I recall, some 15 years; and back, the ways in which, “Black Muslim” was used to mean, “convict”, so that spreading the level of, “muslim = bad” to a wider group (with an even nastier stereotype than black felon) is seen as one more way to villianise the non-white/non-christian.

There was that (in)famous study which pointed out that the majority of men are either gay or straight, with a tiny minority being bisexuals, who are really either straight or gay men who are either in denial, desperate, or experimenting, and that most women, on the other hand, are bisexual, with only a tiny minority being either pure straight or pure gay. My own theory is if this is true, this is because human babies of all genders start life by coming into intimate contact with their mother through lactation, which is probably why most females are bi.

BROM: There was that (in)famous study which pointed out that the majority of men are either gay or straight, with a tiny minority being bisexuals,

Never mind that, in the past, male sexuality was seen very differently (with men liking to stick their dick in anything that moved being seen as normal, no matter what the social conventions were on being the ‘passive’ partner).

Which means you are spouting modern ev-psych, i.e. nonsense; dressed in pseudo-science.

BROM, Percunium is right, but its not “in the past” – its now in highly gender segregated “homo-social” cultures. I grew up in South Asia, lived in the Persian Gulf for a while and can tell you that in those cultures there is A LOT of “downlow” behaviour. But they do not consider themselves “gay” because its just about getting off, not about romance, falling in love, getting married, adopting kids, etc. Nope. They will get married to women and have “normal” hetero families. But until they have sexual access to women, they will “get off” with other guys. Not everyone does this, but there is a pattern of such behaviour.

And then of course there are the genuinely “gay” guys that DO fall in love and want to have longterm relationships with other men. That’s a separate issue though.

Hi Darkside!
“It does amuse me that the panic over Islam seems to completely forget the substantial historical black muslim movement in the US, some of whom were anything but right wingers.”

Many of them are NoI, 777 and %ers. They are not considered authentic Muslims by mainstream Sunni Muslims. Of course there are “authentic” mainstream Sunnis amongst Black Americans too.

“This conflation of Muslim with Arab is interesting, and it certainly does not reflect US Muslim demographics.”

Did I miss something? Someone on this comment thread conflated Muslim with “Arab”?

“So, American women who convert to Islam because their spouse is a Muslim…more likely than not, you are discussing a low income black woman who is likely to attend a black american mosque.”

Yes, I’ve met some Black women who do that. However, I wasn’t limiting my comment just to the US, as I have lived in a number of other countries. I was also thinking of White American, British and European women. There’s a certain pattern that I’ve noticed amongst them.

Okay, I have to say I find it very annoying that NC4OM! has hijacked two separate threads at the same time in her single-minded quest to bash Islam.

@ThingsAreBad:

Manboobz is disappointing in usual, in that no argument is ever actually made against the model I came up with, just a bunch of complaining and straw man attacks.

Given that your model is based upon a small set of anecdotal evidence, it’s entirely appropriate to 1) point out that it’s based on a small set of anecdotal evidence, and 2) respond in kind with more anecdotal evidence.

I’m with you there, Dracula. Can we please talk about something other than how much she hates Islam now?

Okay, I have to say I find it very annoying that NC4OM! has hijacked two separate threads at the same time in her single-minded quest to bash Islam.

I also find it annoying.

So let’s just say no more discussion of Islam on this blog for now. Or maybe ever. I haven’t decided. I’m pretty there are other places on the internet where Islam can be discussed, so anyone who wants to keep discussing it, go to one of those.

If people continue discussing it, they will go on moderation.

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