Categories
antifeminism armageddon homophobia men who should not ever be with women ever MGTOW misandry misogyny MRA terrorism threats

More violent talk, more excuses for terrorism, this time from the inaptly named Happy Bachelors Forum

Try pointing the finger at yourself, for once.

On the ironically named Happy Bachelors forum, the regular poster who calls himself khankrumthebulgar – and whose real name is Randall Joseph Shake — has been complaining about those of us who’ve pointed out that much MRA and MGTOW rhetoric sounds all too similar to the rhetoric of Norwegian terrorist murderer Anders Breivik. In response to Hugo Schwyzer’s post on the topic at the Good Men Project, he wrote:

 This smacks to me of extreme desperation. As they are trying to draw us into a response. They should hear Crickets chirping. … they are in need of traffic, controversy some off the wall unhinged response. When they receive none, it simply means we will not waste the oxygen to answer these absurd and insane accusations. No evidence exists that the MRA or MRM is in any way connected to the Norwegian gunman. IF we were there would be dozens of dead Feminists by now. There is none, hence this is a weak and pathetic attempt to incite violence and is irresponsible on their part. …

If such violence were to happen. After such outrageous accusations, it is Hugo Schwyzer and the Good Menz Project who is financially liable for stoking and promoting extremism in the hopes of generating a violent response. The blood will be on their hands not ours.

You will notice that this argument is identical to that of Angry Harry: if an extremist commits an act of terrorism or violence, don’t blame him or his extremist ideology; blame the people who pissed him off. Taken to its logical extreme, this specious argument would mean blaming the Jews for the Holocaust; after all, they’re the ones who got Hitler so worked up in the first place.

It seems to me that if you don’t want people to associate you with terrorists, you should probably stop talking like terrorists, referring casually to “dozens of dead feminists” and trying to blame the enemy in advance for any violence that comes from your side.

Also, you should probably stop making comments like the following, which were posted in response to Amanda Marcotte’s recent post on Misogyny and Terrorism. The first one, from spocksdisciple, a board moderator, fantasized about a violent backlash that would put women in general and feminists in particular in their supposed place:

[T]he backlash against feminism and it’s misandry will be both awe inspiring and terrifying at the same time.

Modern radical feminism is doomed, any woman sprouting these kinds of statements after the backlash won’t last very long, people and especially men are growing angrier everyday and all these whining losers in the feminist movement is doing to kicking a sleeping bear even harder.

Feminism is so done that women will be lucky if any man bothers to even look at them other then as a piece of meat, the days of the 19th century are going to come back where women either know their place or they’ll suffer the consequences of their actions and arrogance, big daddy gov’t isn’t going to be around to protect the rights of women to act like bitches.

And you probably shouldn’t talk about burning down buildings with people inside them, as khankrumthebulgar (that is, Randall Joseph Shake) does in this comment:

Feminists will be treated like the French Nobility was during the French Revolution. There will be a payback to these Evil Bitches. … As to the Good Mangina Project, they are our enemies. Burn the building to the ground with them in it.

Is he literally talking about burning down a building, or is he speaking metaphorically? In the wake of a tragedy that involved a man literally gunning down the children of his leftist and feminist enemies, khankrumthebulgar’s comments are indefensible either way.

Let me reiterate: these are posts from men who are angry that people have linked them in any way to the Norwegian terrorist. Are they really this lacking in self-awareness, or are they so used to talking in an environment where violent comments about feminists are so common and accepted that they don’t even realize the irony?

I don’t know, and I don’t care. I just wish that those in the MRA and MGTOW movements who are bothered by this kind of talk – and I know there are some who are – would actually step up and declare this sort of shit out of bounds. I’m not holding my breath.

Note: The Happy Bachelors forum is members-only, so the links to the forum won’t work if you’re not a member. Here are screen shots of all the forum comments mentioned in this post, in order. Click to see the full-sized image. I edited several of the comments, but indicated all removed material with ellipses. As you will see the edits did not change the meaning of what was said.

khankrumthebulgar gives his real name

khankrumthebulgar on Hugo Schwyzer (just the portion of the comment that is from him; the rest quotes Schwyzer’s post).

spocksdisciple comment

khankrumthebulgar’s “burn the building” comment

282 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
cynickal
cynickal
10 years ago

What feminist blogs would you suggest I look at that welcome men?

Wait… David and I aren’t welcome here?

Nobby
10 years ago

We’ve actually been trying to get rid of David for years, cynickal. But it’s really hard, what with him owning the blog and all.

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

Samuel:

Many men for years have not learned how to express their anger constructively without offending .Many men have died young from heart attacks from stuffing their felling or being rageful,Hopefull Papr1ka as the Mens movement grows men will learn how to express their anger at women without offending.Also maybe a lot of these men( not all) are “threatening” to go their own way or have just gotten newly divorced or a painful breakup and are angry and raw.

Another thing I’m noticing here is that when you talk about the kind of atmosphere on MGTOW sites, it’s because you think the men there are justifiably angry at women, but if feminists are angry, they call men “pigs and dogs” or don’t “welcome men” for no real reason. In what you’ve written, male anger is OK but female anger is irrational and unjustified. Along with your repeated requests that feminists take it upon themselves to educate the MGTOW community, that makes me feel like you aren’t giving both sides the benefit of the doubt. i don’t know if you’re as objective as you say you are. Can you see why some other commentors have reacted negatively to your posts?

VoiP
VoiP
10 years ago

For my part, I’ve never read anyone on Pandagon, Feministe, Feministing, Hugo Schwyzer, Manboobz, NSWATM, Slacktivist (back when Fred Clark was still posting there, I haven’t been there since), Pervocracy, or Freejinger call men “pigs” or ‘dogs.”

Not to mention “Alas, A Blog,” stfuconservatves.net, and Ozymandias’s blog. Incidentally, these sites have wildly differing opinions about a lot of things, and the people involved don’t agree with one another. You can find stuff our own Ami has said that’s quite critical of Marcotte, for instance, and the Freejinger.org forum (dedicating to mocking the the Quiverfull and Christian Dominionist movements) is about evenly split three ways among Christians, atheists, and the unidentified.

The only common thread is that everyone responsible for these sites believes women are fully human and deserve equal rights, and they do this without, as far as I can tell, demonstrating contempt for men. I do not see all this feminist hatred that you’re talking about.

Inb4 Valerie Solanis.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Don’t forget Ami Angelwings’ Super Cute Rants of DOOOM XD 😀

In fact I have a number of posts specifically where I say men are NOT dogs xD (countering the “men are hungry dogs and women are pieces of raw meat” narrative that goes around rape discussions -_-)

Rutee
Rutee
10 years ago

I know this is hypocritical after me doing it with Clarence, but it’s not up to us to prove the movement isn’t hateful of the majority.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
10 years ago

What feminist blogs would you suggest I look at that welcome men?

I like Pandagon, myself. Amanda can be quick with the snark, and no one exactly strains themselves pulling their punches when they’re pissed off, but the person who originally started the blog is a man (though he doesn’t post super often lately) and a huge number of commenters are men too. Pandagon posts can be on gender-neutral topics like “Disco sucks” or “Colbert you’re so funny”, but everything is analyzed through a feminist lens and a lot of posts are really fantastic explorations of feminism and misogyny in politics, in healthcare, in the news, in pop culture, etc. Amanda has written some really great stuff on concepts like rape culture, skepticism, and birth control/abortion access.

The worst that can happen to you, if you say something ridiculous, is you might get snarked or yelled at a bit — but you won’t get banned or hated for life or anything ’cause it’s a fairly rollicking bunch, and many people have come in saying stupid stuff but are now considered totally part of the community. 🙂

1 10 11 12
%d bloggers like this: