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Arnold: Alpha male, or … girly man?

Grr. Argh.

Ok, MRA/MGTOW/PUA dudes, I’m trying my best to understand the whole Alpha-Beta-Omega thing, really I am. But then you guys make comments like this one from Avenger, found recently on The Spearhead:

Arnold is by no means an Alpha (except in the films lol) In real life he was a muscle bound steroid using meathead in a “sport” that was associated with homosexuals until recently. You’ll notice that he always speaks English and never German even when talking to the German speaking press. That’s because his accent is so bad that they laugh at him.I guess he thinks he can hide it in English where people just assume it’s an ordinary German accent) He sounds like some yokel in German. Sort of like a German Gomer Pyle lol

And no Alpha would permit their wife to go on some talkshow.

I’m not sure how exactly someone who uses “lol” in his comments got to be the final arbiter of Alphaness, but what do I know?

So, please, guys, just explain to me what exactly defines alphaness? (Aside from forbidding wives to go on talk shows.) If Arnold — a giant muscular actor dude with lots of money who was only just recently the governor of a pretty big state — isn’t an alpha, then who exactly is.

Here’s a list of dudes that I think most people who believed in the whole “greek system” would define as Alphas. If any of them aren’t alphas, please tell me why.

Brad Pitt

Genghis Kahn

Barack Obama

Charles Atlas

Superman

Bill Clinton

Donald Trump

Mystery (the PUA)

John Wayne

The Situation

Ice-T

Margaret Thatcher

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Michi
Michi
11 years ago

omfg, Margaret Thatcher. You rock my world.

Graham
11 years ago

This is a call for MensRightsActivistLieutenant: Please finish being spat upon by bitches and report to this comment thread as soon as possible – your input is needed. Thank you.

Amnesia
Amnesia
11 years ago

I thought Arnold was Austrian-American. Why does this guy keep inferring that he’s German? I mean, sure, German is the most spoken language in Austria, but still, Germany and Austria are different countries.

carswell
carswell
11 years ago

Amnesia – you beat me to the punch. Arnold is Austrian-American.

So, it appears that our letter writer is as clueless about that as he is confused about what makes an “alpha”.

‘Cos, I’m with David – if Ahnold isn’t an alpha – who is?

Dire Sloth
Dire Sloth
11 years ago

lol@ Margaret Thatcher. This is gonna be an interesting thread…

Anyone play GTA IV? There’s this character Brucie, who is tanned orange, obsessed with body building, money, and cars, and is constantly referring to himself and people he likes as Alphas. He’s also very strongly suggested to be a closet homosexual. I’m starting to imagine MRAs talking in his voice.

darksidecat
11 years ago

Well, I think Thatcher is a woman, and women are only alpha-ized by looking like a supermodel, so…

Genghis Khan, if we count “raising a kid you are not sure is yours” as being not alpha, isn’t one. Khan’s first wife was captured in a raid and raped and it remained unknown whether or not one of his favorite sons (his favorite ones were all the ones by the first wife) was actually biologically his.

Also, Brad Pitt’s partner (him and Jolie aren’t married, right?) goes on talk shows…so he must be a beta. On that note, so does Michelle Obama.

And Ice-T is black. I don’t think MRAs allow that black dudes can be counted as alphas, so I suspect he is a “thug boy”, which is a what? a beta?

ithiliana
11 years ago

*small litebulb goes off over head*

First, love that Margaret Thatcher is on the list because, damnstraight!

Second, David, this post suddenly makes me realize just how much the MRA position on what defines masculinity proves that masculinity, like femininity, is a social construct, and therefore fluid.

NOTE: I do not say they intend to prove it; quite the contrary. They believe that these genders in their system are completely natural/essential (and it also dawns on me how funny the use of GREEK is in this context). But the fact that the *braces self for sports metaphor which is of course distressing for my girly brain* goalposts keep moving, and that NOBODY ever can maintain their “alpha” status in the eyes of the MRAs proves masculinity is not inherent.

Not a new insight, I know, but this post points it out so beautifully.

A
A
11 years ago

“Being powerful is like being an Alpha. If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t”

Bedelia Bloodyknuckle
11 years ago

Why didn’t you add Keanu Reeves cuz he doesn’t let the ladies keep him down!!

EG
EG
11 years ago

darksidecat, I’m pretty sure “thug boys” aren’t on the scale. I think it only applies to white dudes. Because they don’t really understand that non-white dudes are sentient beings.

Bee
Bee
11 years ago

If all of the Alphas on that list were in a room together … I would run away from that room, screaming.

girlscientist
girlscientist
11 years ago

On the talk-show thing: Hillary Clinton has been on plenty of talk shows, too. Therefore, Bill Clinton is a beta.

Holly
11 years ago

Why should Arnold care if he’s an “alpha” or not? He’s rich, famous, has a fancy-ass house and lots of toys and lots of people who suck up to him, and presumably gets laid regularly.

Maybe he’s not an “alpha”… and maybe that tells you what it’s good for.

ithiliana
11 years ago

Slightly off topic but as I recall the MRAs are always all about how only men risk themselves at war, and teh wimminz never do, and yet, voila:

http://www.badreputation.org.uk/2011/02/10/unsung-heroes-nancy-wake/

So kickass and awesome she’d kick all the MRA asses without even breaking a sweat.

Linds
11 years ago

Superman is not an Alpha. I mean, he’s really mild-mannered reporter Clark Kent! Can you be an alpha if you’re mild mannered? I DON’T THINK SO.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
11 years ago

DSC: Ghengis Khan sired so many kids for which he did not have to pay child support I think that he qualifies as an honorary alpha.

Margaret Thatcher is an interesting case. She was a woman with political power, so she must be a ball-busting feminist. Her existence, however, is useful to MRAs because it automatically (in their view) disproves the feminist notion of patriarchy and reinforces the idea that men are the ones who are more oppressed (after all, they had to suffer under woman prime minister). On top of all that, she was a Conservative in the British sense of being fiscally conservative but socially closer to U.S. moderates or even liberals, which fits the general political profile of most MRAs (NWO being an obvious exception). And, of course, being an older woman she would probably not be on the Greek Scale at all, as older women are invisible to these guys.

My guess is that they’d just say fuck it and call her an honorary man.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
11 years ago

All those people are alphas. Yes, including Margaret Thatcher. But you guys still don’t get it, because the Greek system applies differently to those people than to the majority of us. At some point, when you’re rich and famous enough, “alpha” is simply automatic, regardless of your social status or looks. For example, Arnold is kinda old now and honestly not THAT great looking anymore, but at this point, his millions speak for themselves. The politicians on the list- the fame and the awe and the respect they command make them alphas, no matter what flaws they may possess. But the fact is that they are social freaks, one out of hundreds of millions. The vast majority of “regulars” do not command that level of wealth or awe or power, and thus the Greek system is based solely on looks. For women, this is fine, because as long as you’re not obese you can do whatever the fuck you want. This makes them entitled and arrogant and they spit upon any “regular” men who, as I said, is not Johnny Depp level beautiful.

Rabbit
Rabbit
11 years ago

Donald Trump is not an alpha either. Alphas have hair.

Nimue
Nimue
11 years ago

What about Prince Phillip? Is he an alpha, or is he oppressed by TEH MATRIARCHYZ?

ozymandias
11 years ago

Let’s see here. Using the roissy definitions, an alpha is a man women want to fuck, a beta is someone they’ll settle for and an omega is someone no woman would ever fuck ever. By this theory:

Alphas: Barack Obama. Bill Clinton. Mystery. John Wayne. Ice-T.
Betas: Brad Pitt. Genghis Khan. Superman. The Situation. Margaret Thatcher.
Omegas: Donald Trump.

Ami Angelwings
11 years ago

I think the correct answer is: nobody xD

Because all men can be oppressed. (And they should be oppressed. And WILL be oppressed. MUST BE OPPRESSED! YOU WILL BE OPPRESSED! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! (or resistance is Futrelle! 😀 BA DA BUM xD )

But I do think that’s the answer. If you can be a victim, you’re not alpha, and there’s no man on Earth who can’t be a victim to us >:D

Esp me 😀

Johnny
Johnny
11 years ago

If we take the Judith Butler approach, no man is truly an alpha, because each man is always trying to perform as the ideal man that doesn’t exist. Thus, all supposed “alphas” are engaged in a performance of alpha masculinity that always fails.

Though, really, I was just looking for an excuse to combine Judith Butler with the “Greek theory”. I’ve now sufficiently amused myself.

cynickal
cynickal
11 years ago

Even King Leonidas (of 300 fame) isn’t an alpha.
His wife was sexually assaulted while he was away and had to eviscerate her asaulter herself.

spitfire
spitfire
11 years ago

There’s no way Superman could be an alpha. Even when he’s Superman he’s no more than a beta. He lets Lois Lane and Lana Lang rule his actions far too much. He’s nice and he doesn’t kill his enemies, even if it means they get the upper hand.

Then of course he allows himself to be Clark Kent, clearly a (completely cut, chiseled jawed, remarkably handsome) four-eyed omega freak who grovels Perry White and lets Lios Lane step all over him.

No WAY Superman could be an alpha!!

The Joker on the other hand…

Graham
11 years ago

Yay, MRAL said “spit upon”. I get to take a drink.

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