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12 MORE reasons the MGTOW subreddit deserved to be banned. And some of these are worse than the first 12.

As you may have heard, Reddit recently took down the MGTOW and MGTOW2 subreddits for promoting hate.

This post, and my post yesterday, offer some examples of this hate, in case any irritating internet babies try to tell you that the MGTOW subreddits were just safe spaces for men to discuss their independent lifestyle, share recipes, and so forth.

These two posts are, I should note, merely the tiniest top of the iceberg when it comes to MGTOWs and their assorted hatreds. I’ve written roughly 650 posts in all about MGTOWs over the past ten years, and have only quoted from 24 of them in these posts.

Here are some of the topics you could have found being discussed in the MGTOW subreddit when it was still a going concern.

Equality between men and women, which for some reason involves women being bashed in the face with a lead pipe.

This lovely fellow has a number of other, well, interesting opinions about women and men.

You may have noticed that all of these comments, including the genocidal one, got multiple upvotes from other MGTOW subreddit users.

Why hating women is good for you.

Ever since embracing misogyny my life has become something I can be proud of. My career has taken off, I’m in great shape, my finances are solid, I’m more well rested, better fed, my sexual gratification became better*, I’m more focused, happier, and more philosophically grounded in reality. …

[H]ating women … is the best thing to have happened to me because, I think, that women are a disappointment regarding virtues. …

Hating women has made me a stronger person… because, let’s face it – there’s a lot to hate, and women make you weak. …

The freedom and strength is too great of a reward not to raise a middle finger toward those cucks and tell their whores to fuck off.

My life is too great to give up. And hate (toward such an ugly thing as woman/white-knights) can be the most healthy response a man can have.

This post got 94 upvotes.

Rape is just using a vagina for its intended purpose:

Well considering rape is just using a vagina for its intended purpose, what’s the big deal? It’s not like women care about virginity, so that’s not an issue right?

This is why you really can’t believe women talking about rape. It’s like an Uber driver complaining they didn’t get a good enough tip.

Women are a virus:

If cats and dogs don’t deserve the vote, then neither do women.

Forget the dog and cat thing. Women shouldn’t vote because they’re too sympathetic to non-white refugees.

Giving the right to vote to women was the single worst catastrophe in history.

Look at Sweden, the “world’s first feminist government” … aggressively ignoring the floods of feral rapists they brought in because no woman in power will ever admit she is wrong somewhere.

Despite all the alleged oppression they allegedly face, MGTOWs are psyched about being white:

I’m feeling absolutely great about being white. My ancestors were kicking ass all over the globe. Only thing I feel bad is that they left too many of those other people alive. Now we have to hear that screeching until we dust off the old trusty battle axe and wield it once again

If semen is deposited in a woman’s mouth or vagina or anywhere else on or in her, it stays there forever.

Usually my first thought when talking with any potential partner is ‘whose cum residue is on her teeth?’

30 year-old women are exactly the same as 16 year-old girls, except for being worse:

Seriously, all I see nowadays is men being called predators for dating legal 18 year old girls. …

Women, simps, and the new generation practically bombard any post about a legal age gap and call the older party a predator. Teenagers are not children, they are adolescents.

The man responsible for this post went on to boast about his own (alleged) experience with some of these “younger *legal age* chicks.”

I’m 31, live in the UK, age of consent is 16. Fucked and dated plenty 16, 17, 18 year old girls. They’re in their sexual and thoughtful prime.


A woman my age is not. A woman my age also cannot be taught anything. Men are supposed to teach. I taught those those young women about being feminist indoctrination [sic], the natural roles of men and women, and liberal brainwashing. I gave them some sense of values. Much better than the “I don’t need no man!” 31 year old cat lady.

Another commenter in the same thread added:

Women never really mature past a certain stage,

What for? The are pampered by the world around them,

This is why there are no real differences between a 16-year-old girl and a 30-year-old woman, other than the teenager being more attractive and less damaged.

Actually, women are more like tyrannical 12-year-olds.

The reason why women are tyrants is because they have authority without responsibility. It’s inherent that they are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. Therefore women with any authority or power will be tyrants….

Give a 12 year old girl power over you and see how that ends. Just look at spoiled children how they behave. Women are children, they stop developing physically at 16 and mentally between the start and end of puberty. Ask yourself what a child will do and you will start to read women like a book. …

Men are capable of ruling and being kings, women always are either controlled heavily by counsel or turn to tyrants.

This is why women shouldn’t vote or have anything to do with politics, and certainly not rule.

Women are lambs who become mutton after a single penis eats their virginity peanut.

This one is a little confusing.

The cuck lords of crony capitalism have made an unholy marriage to the feminazis.

Honestly, this one is a little confusing too.

I think it’s fair to say that these guys belong in the trash.

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32 replies on “12 MORE reasons the MGTOW subreddit deserved to be banned. And some of these are worse than the first 12.”

Domestic violence laws should be gutted. What ever happens in a private home between two adults is their business. Women would then have the choice of leaving or behaving like decent human beings.

One: Note the co-opting of LGBT rights rhetoric “Whatever happens in private between consenting adults is their own business”. This is another example of the aggressive attempts to recontextualize liberatory movements into oppressive movements.

B: This is contradictory. A significant amount of domestic violence is designed to prevent the victim from leaving. If there are no domestic violence laws, then leaving isn’t a choice. So that’s probably the point here – act “like decent human beings”. But the standards misogynists have for women isn’t for us to be decent people – that’s the standard we have for them. What they want from us is total submission in every respect, to return to standing barefoot in the kitchen, hiding the bruises on our necks.

This is not happening.

Reading the first 12 items poor David had to work with, I suddenly – for no reason at all – remembered a statistical snippet about domestic violence . Lo and behold, it’s directly a topic.

As the tide of no fault divorce laws rolled across various jurisdictions throughout the latter half, quarter really, of last century, after a very few years there was a noticeable drop in the number of men being murdered by their wives/partners. Basically, once women had a legal way out of disastrous marriages, they didn’t resort to violence any more.

And men? The rate of men murdering women remained steady as a rock. Didn’t budge at all.

(Can’t claim this is up to date. But I’ve not seen anything positive or different this century.)

They think we need Viagra to stay virulent

Who says this. It’s absolutely untrue. I’d go the mat on this one.

Ugh incessant whining, illogical conclusions, and constant stewing in hatred. Being a MGTOW seems powerful fun.

Kat, my thoughts exactly, they are already 100% virulent, no viagra needed there at all.
We must get our laughs where we can!

Fun fact: A womans hormonal status is actually fairly stable. It follows a cycle and can be predicted fairly accurately based on when their last period was.

Men’s hormonal status, however? Influenced and changed by almost everything. Did they get a new job? Have they had sex recently? Are they unemployed? Married? Participated in sports? Ate meat? Etcetera. Etcetera.

But men are the norm, so they are not considered ‘hormonal’.

Please, DON’T do 998 more sequel in that serie. I suggested that, but I value mental health, actually.


Kat, my thoughts exactly, they are already 100% virulent, no viagra needed there at all.

We must get our laughs where we can!

These guys are hilarious. Unintentionally, of course.

Women are children, they stop developing physically at 16 

As opposed to men, who continue to grow throughout life and end up 11 feet tall at death.

It’s just science!

If you are 31 (as I am now) then the truth is that teenagers think you are absolutely decrepit. I remember I was out once with friends and some jolly 15 year old boys started talking to us, exclaiming to my older guy friend “you look ANCIENT mate. Like, THIRTY or something”. Which was rude but you know, kinda funny.

So I VERY much doubt that guy has slept with several 16 year olds at his age, unless he targets the vulnerable and is an active predator. I can only hope his experiences are related to when he was a much younger man.

@Lollypop : apparent age is a very funny thing, what with teenagers having took me for a teenager up until at least 25 or 27. (since then I stopped using the bus line that deserved mostly an high school, probably a big part of *why* they could expect me to be a student ; the two most important thing to look like a teenager is not looking like a serious adult, and be at a place where people expect teenager)

That being said, I don’t expect them to sleep with a lot of women, be them 16y old or older. Turn out even teenagers have standards.

This one gave me a headache. What is going on in their educational backgrounds to make them think throwing random words together makes a coherent sentence?
Virulent? The plan is meant to fail be design? Why? Genocide is good because? They can melt your brain trying to figure out what their point is aside from “I hate my life and I’m going to take it out on everyone else rather than do anything constructive.”

What would it be like if every man woke up tomorrow and said no more?

It would be a lot quieter, and the genocide would have to be planned in writing?

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

As opposed to men, who continue to grow throughout life and end up 11 feet tall at death.

Do they die because their human frames can’t support the weight that comes with that height?

I’m thinking about this, because I recently had a dream where there was a giant spider, who was my friend and very nice, and when I woke up I was sad because in reality it would have collapsed under the weight of it’s exoskeleton, and I don’t want that happening to my friends.

11feet is significantly more than the highest possible human size if memory serve well, which is at less than 3m (9 feet give or take ?)

So these 11feet human probably die of old age, if old age is your head exploding like a watermelon becaise you tripped. And it’s easier to trip when your legs bones break randomly.

@Ohlmann – Well, their heads explode about every five minutes, so…

The tallest human on record was Robert Wadlow, who was 8 feet 11 imches tall when he died. He had a pituitary disorder that resulted in him continuing to grow throughout his life. So yes, that probably is about the upper limit.

I don’t understand the logic behind calling women “children” because they stop physically maturing at 16. That’s…kind of what happens when you become an adult.

Manospherians sometimes claim that women stop developing mentally at age 12 or whatever. I think here “physically” may be a misphrasing, or perhaps a reference to brain development (which actually continues into 20s in men and women).

God damn the projection from these self pitying, insecure assholes is even more shocking in that type of format. It’s hilarious that you can see basically all the stereotypical traits of basement misogynist in their screed against women.

-Insecure assholes always seeking validation from their abusers and poor “friends” who don’t care about them.
-depressed unemployed or employed in a dead end job without any sort of prestige.
-self-centered mooch who can’t take responsibility either for themselves or for others in society.
-fantasies about “building or protecting civilization” while being at the same time critically under skilled and anti-social.
-deriving an inordinate amount of value from sexual gratification all the while being extremely anxious about being desired at all cost.
-vengeful, boastful and petty.

I wonder if its the same thing for actual, real, honest to goodness misandrists of this world. Are they also projecting all their insecurities and vices unto the subject of their hate or does their hate is more akin to islamophobes in western countries (mostly fed by prejudiced media and exaggeration).


Manospherians sometimes claim that women stop developing mentally at age 12 or whatever.

That is likely motivated by a desire to justify lowering the age of consent to that. (Ew.) The interesting bit is that that desire, in turn, is motivated by the fact that the claim is not true, making that whole argument hypocritical. They want girls that young because they are impressionable, inexperienced, and still only have sub-adult capacities for judgment and reason, so they may be more easily manipulated. They want them before they have mentally developed much past 12, in other words, putting the lie to the claim they’re using to try to justify this sleaziness of theirs.


deriving an inordinate amount of value from sexual gratification

Or maybe it’s a status thing. A lot of these chucklefucks, and I include MRAs and (especially) incels in this, seem less interested in sex qua sex than in being able to claim to have a girlfriend with a straight face. Hence e.g. the incels’ not considering sleeping with a prostitute to count — some do, and call themselves “escortcels”, so they don’t consider actual sex with an actual woman, even one they were likely in a position to somewhat abuse with impunity, to wash away the “incel stain” in this case. What’s the difference? It’s not the sex, or even the quality of the sex (likely fairly high coming from an experienced professional), and it’s not even the power imbalance, then, but the ability to claim a woman as their girlfriend that is missing in such cases. So, it’s a status thing, and to all manosphereans who think this way, women are status accoutrements right alongside the recent-model car and the nice suburban house with its white picket fence.

And now an OT medley.

A few more Olympics observations:

  1. Besides the Russia-snubbing, another peculiarity in the reportage is the systematic and thorough refusal to acknowledge the postponement of the games. They are all, down to the last one, pretending we’re in the 20th month of 2020 … while everyone else in the world has spent the past eight months trying to forget that there ever was such a year. Interestingly, this doesn’t extend to a refusal to acknowledge the pandemic entirely. Mentions of COVID, the lack of spectators at indoor and some outdoor venues, and related phenomena happen occasionally, just not that the year is 2021. It’s a weirdly singular and narrowly-focused “blind spot”.
  2. What appears to be new, overt sexism in the running events. The men are wearing the traditional sleeveless sports tee and gym shorts; the women, on the other hand, are in tight halter tops that bare the midriff, and usually just a bikini bottom between that and their shoes. In previous summer games didn’t they wear the same general sort of outfits as the men? Compare gymnastics, where the disparity (loose gym stuff vs. tight leotards) is long-standing (though, some of the women’s equipment — notably, the uneven bars — might afford dangerous opportunities for looser garments to catch on them; we can discuss the differences in their gymnastics apparatuses another time). Diving reverses this: women wear fairly conservative one-piece swimsuits no more revealing than their gymnastics costumes and strictly less so than their running outfits this year, while the men are in tiny Speedos and nothing else.
  3. There seems to be some use of camera drones this year, and some of the venues even seem to have been outfitted with the MatrixCam (notably the gymnastics building and dive pool, where they also seem to have a camera under the platforms that appears to be clamped around a pole and released to free-fall so it drops in tandem with the diver, all the way to below the waterline). Traditional panning-camera-on-the-sidelines is all they’re using for track and field though. The canoeing events sometimes feature a drone with down-and-backward facing camera retreating ahead of the racers. They’ve definitely somewhat raised the bar in the photography department compared to five years ago.
  4. There’s this animatronic cat looking mascot thingy they sometimes show briefly as filler.
  5. The false start plague in the running events subsided a day or two ago. Either they adopted my suggestion, the athletes got used to the quieter stadium, or the starters adapted in some way. Nobody has actually said what was done, though, in the reporting.


Case counts in Ontario seem to be rising again. We’ve had the vaccines available for months. There’s been no real shortage here for a couple fewer months. Why isn’t this over already, at least in Canada? Surely we don’t have the sort of idiotic hard-right refuseniks the US has, at least in any significant numbers? I know that aside from the same essential workers (truckers, e.g.) previously allowed to cross the border, it’s only been opened to vaccinated persons, so the American refuseniks shouldn’t be coming here and spreading the virus.

Phone woes:

Oddly, after I’d slept that night I woke to find the phone no longer showing the non-Chrome update that had been stuck, and that had remained stuck even across a reboot of the device. The Chrome update remained, and had been joined by a new Webview update (odd that these were released on successive days instead of simultaneously); when I retried the Chrome update, it remained, or again became, stuck. When I woke up today both it and the Webview update were gone. Whether any of those three updates had somehow eventually spontaneously resumed and then succeeded (I’d left them all in the allegedly-cancelled state, except the Webview one, which I’d never even clicked “update” on to begin with) or were “recalled” in some way, I don’t know, though I suppose there’s an update history I could trawl through somewhere in the thing. There were two new updates, of two unrelated third-party apps, today and both promptly downloaded and installed without delay once I told them to. So, it seems the problem eventually resolved itself … somehow. Still took two days to fully do so, though …

Hair woes:

How on Earth do women with long hair manage it? Mine has reached shoulder length since this stupid pandemic started, and it’s constantly shifting (or blowing, if I’m outdoors) into my eyes and even strands sneaking into my mouth while I’m trying to eat. I can’t take off a T-shirt at the end of the day without pulling my own hair. It’s annoying.

Is it gadgets I don’t have like hairpins and barrettes? I expect those might be available cheap at the dollar store, though they might come with extra bonus COVID — I’ve tried to avoid any indoor shopping for nonessentials since this started, whether locked-down or open at the time, to limit both my own risk and hypothetically contributing to its spread someday.

Of course, it’s likely that the answer is the one I’m dreading: they have decades of experience managing the stuff, which I lack, in which case there is no quick fix.

@ surplus

They are all, down to the last one, pretending we’re in the 20th month of 2020 

Maybe they’d already printed all the stationery and didn’t want to waste it?

The alternative was probably the work experience kid with a bucket of Tippex and a marker pen.

“Women are so irrashunul when they’re on their peeeriud!”

“You mean when their hormonal balance is closest to that of men? Y’know, much less feminine hormones than they usually have?”

spluttering, followed by silence

(I have actually done this.)

To be fair to the Olympics, it does seem like the 20th month of 2020 a lot of days.

We just did all the signing that a refinance takes, and a couple of times I had to scratch out my 2020, change it to 2021 and initial.

@GSS Ex-Noob: I had someone smugly respond to that period argument with the statement that ‘Men can handle it’. A look at history says otherwise, though.

@Surplus: Well, there’s all these mutated variants of the disease. And some you can apparently still carry while you are fully vaccinated. I doubt we’ll be rid of it any time soon. It seems the entire world needs to get its act together and get vaccinated before we can expect an end to it. It sucks. And it takes too long. Blegh.


They want girls that young because they are impressionable, inexperienced, and still only have sub-adult capacities for judgment and reason, so they may be more easily manipulated. They want them before they have mentally developed much past 12, in other words, putting the lie to the claim they’re using to try to justify this sleaziness of theirs.

Oh, snap.

I watched the elephant gif several times. It always fascinates me how they can pick things up with their trunks.

As for the MGTOW stuff… Women in their 30s can’t learn anything? Welp, better cancel the rest of my linguistics degree. Better yet, I should tell one of my poetry-group acquaintances that when she restarted her career in her late 40s, it was all an illusion (she took a degree in her second language to be able to teach high school science, also in her second language).

@Surplus –

How on Earth do women with long hair manage it?

Hair elastic. Ponytail. At least, that’s what I do. I don’t know how people go around with long hair hanging down either! My boyfriend also uses hair elastics sometimes – his hair is about at his shoulders.

You can get a small bunch (maybe 10-20) at a drugstore/pharmacy for a couple of dollars. Some people also use regular elastics, but I find they stick.

Seconding epitome on hair elastics. You could also try ribbon, if you have something like that lying around. I don’t know about where you live, but here grocery stores often have a shelf for hair stuff, so they can be bought without having to go to anywhere additional.

Experience helps too, though your mileage may vary. I’ve had long hair for a couple of years now, and I basically stopped having it down outside home after the pandemic started, since I was always having to brush it out of my eyes and touching my face in the process. No matter how I try, I’m pretty much unable to braid, so that limits my options. I usually only use an elastic to keep my hair out of the way when I sleep, and otherwise make one of the two buns I’ve got somewhat down.


As recommended above, hair ties/elastics. Those are trickier than they look, so here’s an attempt at a tutorial. Assuming you are right-handed (if you aren’t, mirror these instructions), put the tie around your right wrist. Then gather your hair into a ponytail and hold it with your right hand, and use the left to pull the tie off your wrist and onto the ponytail. Do not let go of your hair with your right hand yet, it’s not over.

From there, use your left hand to pull slightly on the tie and twist it around, then move your left fingers through the new hoop thus created and grab onto your ponytail, and use your right hand to pull the tie across again. That should tighten it enough to hold your hair, but depending how large or loose your tie is you might have to mirror and repeat that second process to make more hoops.

Not too tight ! And make sure the tie doesn’t rest directly against your skull, give it a centimeter or two. Too tight/too close to your skull will pull on your hair in a way that will eventually become painful, and may cause headaches, along with damage to your hair itself.

This is probably the simplest way, and I didn’t figure it out on my own either ! I’ve kept my hair long since age 12, and I only learned this after a year or so of loose hair troubles. And I still have trouble doing anything more complex than that. Hair is difficult. You’re right about the decades of practice 😀

Re: Long Hair Management Junk

1) Actual hair ties. Don’t do what I do of forgetting and then using rubber bands. Rubber bands pull, and do bad things. Like make the breakage in #2 20x worse.

2) Expect some breakage. Some people don’t have much, but I shed all over when I have long hair. So if you see hair in your brush or wrapped around the hair elastic/tie, don’t freak. My shedding may or may not be related to end note, but since it’s not shedding ON me, I’m okay with it.

3) shoulder is still pretty short for long hair. When it gets to 2 in past shoulder, you can do emergency buns held in place by pencils. I used to do that a lot in yon olden days, because I always sucked at remembering hair ties. To do emergency bun, grab all the hair behind your head. Twist it into a tight helix and wrap the helix into a bun shape. Insert stick/pencil under flat hair pre-twist on one side, up and over the bun, a s down through another lock of the pulled flat stuff on the other side. Stick another pencil through the bun if you need to.

Actually an official way to do hair sticks? Nope. Did it get me through half of high school? Yes.

4) do not fear the loose bun. Go for a ponytail, and then give up halfway through pulling the hair through somewhere between twists 3&4. Keeps pesky hair off the neck.

5) falling out of ponytails all the time because the front is too short to stay put? That’s okay. Half ponytails are my bread and butter for that awkward stage between short and long enough to do mediocre stuff with. Basically, ponytail for just the hair on the front half of the head. Can also modify to half pig-tails (just both front quarters to separate clumps).

Also, if you really hate your hair and it keeps escaping elastics like mine used to…

I ditched using conditioner a few years back, and it’s been better for me? Yeah, hair is a bit less silky and tangles a little more, but it gets greasy slower and the tangles help it STAY WHERE IT IS PUT.

All this advice comes from someone who pretty much ignores hair except to make sure said hair is not somewhere annoying (in eyes, in mouth, tickling the back of the neck like it thinks it’s a creepy spider or something) and should be taken with a generous serving of salt.

Basically, try some stuff until you figure out the thing that works for you. Good luck.

I’m so looking forward to hacking mine back down to 1”; sitting at just above shoulders right now.

I was going to get my hair cut up to my shoulders just before the lockdown. Now it’s waist length again because it grows really fast. If I was a person with facial hair, I’d have 5 o’clock shadow at 2pm.

I also can’t be bothered with much hair styling and wear it up most of the time. Nowadays that means pulling it back to my neck, twisting it up and around in a figure 8, and fastening with a barrette big enough to attach it to the back of my head. When I get tired of that (because it sometimes gets loose during the night), I do the braid thing.

A woman my age is not. A woman my age also cannot be taught anything. 

This just isn’t true. People of any gender and any age can still learn things from other people. This guy, on the other hand, has nothing to teach anyone his own age because he’s an ignorant dolt and he knows it. Adult men who are into teenagers always tell on themselves in this way. They know that adult women can see through their bullshit and are too mature and competent for them. They’ll never admit that. But they so clearly know it deep down.

Mr. Ninja read that one over my shoulder and I’ve rarely seen him so horrified. He was shocked that people think that way but it led to an interesting discussion about things he’s heard other men say over the years and as I’ve worked in mostly male dominated fields I’ve witnessed and been the victim of extremely sexist attitudes. I kept hoping that one man would take a stand against it but they never did (as the lone woman it was hard for me to say anything). I believe this is an issue men need to address as they are the one’s doing it. The onus of ending these attitudes shouldn’t ever be on the victims, men need to do better and parents need to raise their sons to understand that girls and women are people because clearly there is a failure somewhere along the way. It’s exhausting.

I think we can safely say that these MGTOW types are sleaze-balls. This boasfulness about 15 / 16 year olds from men in the 30s is actually quite sinister. I’m sure that the police in their local jurisdictions should be taking an interest in this stuff.

I think a lot of Incels and MGTOWs have porn-addled brains wherein sadistic, violent fantasies are the order of the day. And yet in real life, they can’t bring themselves to be capable of basic social skills with women. This is perhaps acceptable in some measure among the teen ones (so long as they grow out of it), but looks a bit bad from 20 on up.

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