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It came from the comments: Artificial wombs will turn straight men gay because women suck

Makin’ babies

Another day, another drive-by misogynist commenter who ends up being even more terrible than the terrible people I wrote about in the post he’s commenting on.

Yes, it’s time for another episode of The Comments I Don’t Let Through. This time, it’s a guy calling himself DownWithWomen, commenting on my post about the lonely incel who wants a nice woman to pay attention to him — while at the same time he openly advertises his belief that women “deserve the rope.” That is, a good hanging.

DownWithWomen, by contrast, thinks that men won’t have to kill women, because women will kill themselves once the men of the world discover how awful they really are. The catalyst? Artificial wombs.

When artificial wombs are invented men won’t even have to do it, women will rope themselves as their sexual market value plus power that comes alongside it is completely destroyed.

Yet another creepy dude obsessed with (cis) women’s fertility.

But then the argument takes a somewhat unexpected turn:

[W]hen [women] start to diminish men will most likely find it viable to cross the x-y line in order to flock to cute-boys to settle down with, and marry whom don’t have the hypergamous instinct of biological females.

Incels and MGTOWs often joke about turning themselves gay in order to avoid the dreaded girl germs, but this guy is serious — if a little confused as to how sexual orientation actually works.

As soon as [artificial wombs] are invented we don’t have to put up with the bullshit of women anymore, cute-boys are more feminine than western females and always eager to please/available for sex to a partner.

Hate to tell you this dude, but I’m pretty sure the twinks of the world aren’t going to want to have sex with you either.

They are more of a woman than any western whore and at the same time if you pursue them now there is no trouble, and also no ridiculous laws on what rape is(Which is everything nowadays) protecting them.

Wait, your argument is that straight guys will turn to twinks because, hey, you can just rape them with impunity? 

Rape laws protect men too, you piece of shit.

The commenter then trots out the sad old argument that women only want macho “bad boys.”

Even if one marries a nice-guy he will only get used for his money, while she will continue to sleep around with the alpha male bad boys. The beta male nice guy will be forced to pour his resources into raising his child, which should be the responsibility of the other man and not him.

Never mind that this is not actually how the world works, and that the guys making this argument have zero proof that women routinely cheat on “betas” with “alphas” and use their allegedly superior sperm to make babies that the betas think are their own.

Women are biologically hypergamous, will always date and marry up, and even if in a relationship, a woman will immediately leave the man for a higher guy if she thinks she can land him.

And men sometimes leave women when they think they could “do better.” There’s no evidence that women are less loyal partners than men.

Women also sexually desire men who have a violent criminal record(Especially murder/assault/robbery/drugs/gangs being the top most “hot”) and wear tattoos/piercings on them. The jerks and badboys half of which being criminals, sometimes fresh out of prison/jail or bullies in school are straightforward about their sexual intentions; and masculine enough to press for it.

Well, first off, this is a giant pile of bullshit. And second, DUDE YOU JUST BASICALLY ANNOUNCED THAT YOU THINK IT WOULD BE OK FOR YOU TO RAPE GAY MEN.

You’re one of the “bad boys” you’re lambasting women for dating. Except even creepier.

But hey, thanks for sharing, I guess.

UPDATE: DownWithWomen has sent along an update of sorts:

We are talking about fem-boys you idiot. To sum things up here is a post from the 8chan /cuteboys/ section: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0R9eccUgEoH

As far as I can tell the board is devoted to young, femme gay men and crossdressers.

Fact is they are more of women than you, some claim to be straight but can be seduced still. They don’t complain often, and if they do try to cause an issue out of nowhere the gynocentric court won’t take them seriously.

So, doubling down on the rapey shit.

Women are not logical by biology, and 30% of babies born are not the husband’s baby but of alpha males.

This is not of course true. The 30% number gets bandied about because there was some study somewhere that found 30% of the time when the husband was concerned enough to demand a paternity test it turned out to not be his child.

270 replies on “It came from the comments: Artificial wombs will turn straight men gay because women suck”

By Cute-boys I thought he meant pederasty.

I’d ask him what he meant but I don’t want to interact with him unless it involves placing him in some sort of isolated containment area where he will pose no danger to society.

My read of this disgusting screed also has cute-boy mapping better to ladyboy that to just a cute boy.

No matter, it’s disgusting.

I don’t think he meant trans women (though I could be wrong–he seems to have very little idea about anything human). I think he meant very “feminine” gay men.

Of course he knows nothing about the needs or interests of effeminate gay men. He knows the stereotypes, he knows what he imagines such men want. I knew a very effeminate gay man years ago, who would have cheerfully kicked this guy’s ass all over Madison, WI, at the mere suggestion that any self respecting gay man would want anything to do with this miserable creep.

People like creepy!guy should just go ahead and buy themselves a good sex doll. Sure a good quality item is expensive, but they last a long time and never ask you to treat them like they are actually people and have their own ideas and thoughts and stupid shit like that. A perfect solution to his problem.

Trouble is, sex dolls need to be cleaned up after using. I am sure Mr. Manly Man doesn’t DO things like cleaning, that is something only beta males do.

Women also sexually desire men who have a violent criminal record

I can never understand why they think this. Especially when you consider that the looks of the type of women they think are attractive is usually tied up with affluence. Thin and fit, white, long hair, mainstream clothes, hair that isn’t dyed unless it’s dyed blonde. Basically a stereotypical college girl from a wealthy suburb. Do they really think those women are actually secretly dating/fucking ex-cons?

It’s a nitpick in all the awfulness on display in that comment but I always find it so odd that these guys think they’re competing with gang members for the highest in social status women that they think we should all look like. People generally partner with people from the same socioeconomic bracket. Misogynists just never seem to be remotely acquainted with reality.

False. Pretty coed types often do pursue criminals. Not necessarily gang members, but drug dealers with expensive cars.

Also, a person can be a violent criminal and live an upper middle class lifestyle at the same time.

I think it’s safe to say that this is a combination of mammoth ignorance and a great deal of internalized sexual confusion that he’s managed to convince himself doesn’t mean what it means. I pity this man, even as I dearly hope that he lives nowhere near me.

Ooh, a troll!

@ Mr Twindale:

I’m pretty sure you’ve never had sex, David.
I’m pretty sure this blog is a huge joke.

I’m pretty sure all that is wholly irrelevant.

@ Mr Roberts:
Citation, please. Also, often ≠ always (or AWALT, as you’ll see these Internet misogynists say).

@Stephen Twindale
I’m pretty sure that you’re wrong.
I’m pretty sure Incels are a huge joke.
@Tyler Roberts
Hey now, cite your sources, get your wall text ready.
You need to understand, your words aren’t self evident.

@Laugher at Bigots, Mincing Betaboy
If we’re lucky we’re getting a two for one package instead of the usual sock puppets of the same guy. Wait, since Trump lost bigly twice on his Muslim bans, and failed to deliver a 7 year long promise of killing Obamacare, that would mean alot of Trump supporters would be upset. Maybe even upset enough to come here and have a go.

@ Robert

False. Pretty Coed types naturally give off butter scented mind control gas that lets them mindslave any man they want.

I have about as much evidence for that claim as you do for yours.

I can understand thinking this blog must be an elaborate joke, but sadly MRAs are very real.

@Stephen

I’m pretty sure you’ve never had sex, David

Strange thing to be so oddly sure about

I’m pretty sure this blog is a huge joke

I mean, I chuckle sometimes

@Tyler

drug dealers with expensive cars

What about drug dealers in jalopies?

Just FYI, DownWithWomen sent along a little update, which I’ve added to the post, which may clarify a few things.

FWIW, I’m pretty sure I have had sex. With another person, even!

Stephen Twindale, why did you change your name to Tyler Roberts for your next post?

Why did the troll post under two different names at about the same time?

False. Pretty coed types often do pursue criminals. Not necessarily gang members, but drug dealers with expensive cars.

What’s your definition of often? I never saw it when I was in college. In fact, I have never met one single woman who specifically pursues criminals. Most of the women I’ve known range from lower middle to upper middle class. Many are college educated. None have ever actively chased criminals. I mean, I’ve known small time pot dealers who’ve had girlfriends, but that’s not exactly the violent thug mentioned in the OP.

Also, a person can be a violent criminal and live an upper middle class lifestyle at the same time.

If you’re talking abusers or rapists who are insulated by their privilege and have never faced legal consequences for violence against women, I agree with you. If you think that economically privileged guys wind up with rap sheets or that men with extensive criminal records become mcmansion dwelling upper middle class people later in life, you must live in some sort of alternate dimension.

Women are not logical by biology, and 30% of babies born are not the husband’s baby but of alpha males.

If alpha males have the superior and attractive genes but beta males make the best providers, it’s actually quite logical to marry a beta and cheat with an alpha for reproduction. It’s not very nice, but it is rational.

FWIW, I’m pretty sure I have had sex. With another person, even!

Normally we females would not have sex with a non-thug male such as yourself. However, you do such a good job shilling for the gynocentric agenda that Katie sends some honeypots to you from time to time.

What? Was I not supposed to say that?

I listened to that vocal clip posted as “explanation” for “cute-boys”. I love any argument that relies on the demonstrably false premise that non-human animals have no homosexuality. Doesn’t matter how many mated pairs of gay penguins raise eggs together in zoos, people still never get the memo. I read a Playboy interview with Anita Bryant written in the seventies where she claimed no non-humans have homosexual behavior, and the interviewer was able to correct her right away, so it’s not like this is cutting-edge information here.

Fact is they are more of women than you

Nah

some claim to be straight but can be seduced still

Ewww

if they do try to cause an issue out of nowhere the gynocentric court won’t take them seriously

Remember when that Susan troll was convinced we didn’t give a shit about male assault/abuse survivors? Didn’t work out for her either

Women are not logical by biology

I don’t even know…

30% of babies born are not the husband’s baby but of alpha males

50% of Americans are or have at some point been married. Given that, I’d guess a whole helluva lot more babies born aren’t the husband’s. Why, its almost like this stat is missing hella context

@Carayak

mated pairs of gay penguins raise eggs together in zoos

https://d140u095r09w96.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/images/147_0.inline%20vertical.jpg
Gets me every time *melts into goo*

I can’t believe two entirely different people who just happen to have the exact same automatically-generated gravatar have both come to show us the error of our ways at the very same time. I mean, I literally don’t believe it.

@Tyler Roberts

False. Pretty coed types often do pursue criminals.

“Pretty coed types.” Snort. I didn’t know anybody still used the sexist term “coed” anymore. I’m curious: Do you also call men who integrate a traditionally female college “coeds”?

And where do you get your information about female college students (pretty or not) pursuing criminals? I’ve been to college. I knew some women there. I read the daily college newspaper. I overheard a lot of talk in my dorm, in class, in the cafeteria, and on my way in between any of those destinations. Never once did I hear about a fellow student — pretty or not, or even female or not — pursuing a criminal.

Oh wait — you’re getting your information from porn, aren’t you.

OT: Just, mad
Short story SidAlpha is a reviewer and semi reporter of gaming news regarding Youtube copyright abuses by indie game devs. He states multiple times he would stand for the little guy. I thought that because he was recommended by Jim, that he’d be a swell dude. Admittingly for many months he was. And then this shit pops in my feed.

The irony of cognitive dissonance is thicker than tar. Yeah on my side, but as soon as some racist gets punished for being a racist shithead, they defend the celebrity. I’m already sick of people that pretty much lipservice conservatives, I don’t need to be reminded that people who say they’re my ally, defend those that would love nothing more than to exterminate people like me.

Screw this I’m going to go watch the latest episode of Samurai Jack before I help my grandma walk to Temple tomorrow morning.

@Stephen Twindale

I’m pretty sure you’ve never had sex, David.
I’m pretty sure this blog is a huge joke.

1. How would you know whether David has had sex? Cite examples of his writing that lead to your conclusion.

2. What’s the joke? Be specific.

Extra credit:
Can you tell whether I’ve had sex? Cite examples of my writing that lead to your conclusion.

@Kat

Oh, I wanna try!

David is a snivelling beta, underling of the gynocracy (hey, my phone knows that word!) AND he owns cats. While women might have sex with a beta for providing, since David has no kids, that’s one strike. Second strike: as a useful traitor to all menzes everywhere and agent of the gynocracy, we can’t risk him discovering how horrible feeeeemales really are, so we’ve obviously kept his contact with them to ugly/non-blonde/etc or online ones, so he doesn’t have the chance to get cooties.
And third: cats are the sure sign of a spinster who doesn’t get laid, even if they’re male. There are no sex having men who own cats.

As for you – you’re a filthy feminist, which you only are if you’re not getting laid and want all menzes destroyed in revenge for not gracing you with their liquid fucking gold.

Incidentally, I’ve just proven I’m still a virgin, seeing how my fiance has a cat and as such, we can never have had sex. My market value is up! Yay!

@zaunfink
Hah! You may think that DownWithWomen would say that your sexual market value (SMV) is up because you are (at least self-described and at least according to some tortuous logic) a virgin.

But I’m pretty sure that DownWithWomen would say that you’re a virgin because you’ve got problems. Lots and lots of problems. So no, your SMV is low. And because you are aging (you are about 20 minutes older than when you wrote your comment), your SMV is on a steep decline.

Not so for DownWithWomen, who — judging by his name alone — is so charming that his SMV can only go from strength to strength.

False. Pretty coed types often do pursue criminals. Not necessarily gang members, but drug dealers with expensive cars.

Surely you wouldn’t say something like that without a proper study to stand behind it. That wouldn’t be the rational thing to do.

@WWTH:
I can tell from context that “coed” means “woman”, but I haven’t heard it before. What’s the etymology?

Oh, if only whether or not someone’s had sex was relevant to any situation where I’m conversing with them. Then possibly being able to tell if someone’s had sex might be USEFUL.

I perform with a Rocky Horror cast. Everyone I know on that cast, man or woman or whatever, would personally kick this creep up and down the street. In fishnets and high heels. Or multiple petticoats. Or greaser jackets. We wear whatever the fuck we want, whoever we are.

@weir, only “superior” and “attractive” in the eyes of women but not society as a whole. This is why we need patriarchy, so that the hypergamy is controlled and everything is distributed evenly for men.

We know and if things continue this way you could see beta males carry out an uprising when society is close to its end to restore healthy gender relations between men/women, and punish chad along with stacy. You cannot ever love men for who they are, and only for what they can do for you.

You only choose the men whom resemble the most aggressive, competitive, domineering caveman or half-ape the most.

EJ:

I can tell from context that “coed” means “woman”, but I haven’t heard it before. What’s the etymology?

From “co-educational”, i.e. girls and boys / women and men educated together. The abbreviation to mean “female student” goes back to the late 19th century. Mixed-gender educational institutions were considered daringly modern and a risk to the morality of young people; since the default human is, of course, male (particularly when educated), “coed” invariably referred to a feeemale. Use of the term is a major tell.

‘Coed’ is Welsh for woodland. I’m not really aware of Welsh woods having problems with violent criminals, but maybe I’m reading the wrong news sources?

I was thinking about the notion of artificial uteri in science fiction and I can’t think of an example where it’s seen as a positive thing: from the “hatcheries” of Brave New World to the nightmarish “axotl tanks” of the Dune series, the concept carries notions of conformity and turned-up-to-11 body-horror (for spoilerish reasons I won’t be any more specific about what the axotl tanks actually are). Ironically, Red Pill-favourite The Matrix features a bio-mechanical birthing machine that is portrayed as anything but benign. The one SF story I could think of where artificial reproduction is described with approval is Norman Spinrad’s The Iron Dream, a novel without female characters whatsoever, whose conceit is that it’s a fantasy novel written by Adolf Hitler, who in an alternative universe emigrates to the USA after the failed Munich Beer Hall Putsch and becomes a pulp illustrator and writer (Spinrad wrote it to skewer fascist tropes in SF and fantasy and succeeded so well that it was on the American Nazi Party’s approved reading list for years before they noticed). 😂

This grotesque fantasy of pliant femboys and the recurrent declarations from the manosphere generally of how we will have sexbots Real Soon Now and then Women Will Pay is misogyny taken to its logical conclusion. It reveals a desire to annihilate women as conscious creatures, preserving only the outward trappings of femininity, women-suits to be worn Buffalo-Bill-Silence-of-the-Lambs style by mindless slaves… this is verging on psychosis…

So, the assertion is making is that men won’t “have to” kill cis women because we will kill ourselves if cis men stop paying attention to us?

Nope. Cis male attention is not the end all be all of existence.

Meanwhile, how sad is it that this guy believes desiring sex with someone other than a cis woman = hating or being disgusted by cis women? I can’t decide if he is protecting his shame for wanting sex he doesn’t see as appropriately macho onto cis women or if he is projecting his hatred of people who don’t want to fuck him or who do, but aren’t thin, cis, teenage, blonde virginal cis girls who look, think, speak and dress exactly as he likes onto literally everyone. Either way, he is living in a darkest timeline he has dreamt up himself. A dose of reality and self awareness would go a long way into making these guys less miserable assholes. Itmsoumds like they’d rather stay miserable assholes though.

“Women are not logical by biology”

Aww man I bet this guy got a solid E in high school biology. What an absolute genius.

@Kat

About my SMV – I realized a bit later that I’m over the age of 25 anyway (hit 26 in february), so…. I’m worth as much as half a bottle of spoiled milk, perhaps less. Truly distressing. I am no longer attractive to any man now. I’m even starting to have hallucinations where I’m hit on! Truly, I am desperate.

@Pie
First: What flavor are you and are you already baked?

Second: The woodlands thing makes sense – didn’t all those terrible criminials hide in the woods in the old times? So, coeds are attracted to criminals and vice versa!

@Latte Cat
Why am I now thinking of Harry Potter and “T for troll”? 😀

@ zaunfink

didn’t all those terrible criminials hide in the woods in the old times

Hey, Maid Marion was a posh lass, and she fancied a criminal. Fuck, the guy’s right!

@Cat Mera:

In the Honor Harrington series by David Weber, artificial wombs are viewed as a positive thing. It’s kind of weirdly treated due to his…lack of ability to just construct a culture that doesn’t have 90% of the same hangups the modern world does, but they exist, are common, are not scandalous in and of themselves, and a main character uses one at one point…which is treated just the same as any other major medical procedure.

I detest the word “coed.” These days, it tends to show up in one of two places: porn titles, or constructions that emphasize them as sex objects like “pretty coeds” or “sexy coeds” or whatever the fuck else. Coeds aren’t full-fledged members of the student body; they’re bodies for the real students (men) to appreciate.

Would you like to know what to call a female post-secondary student? A student. You’re welcome.

In Lois McMaster Bujold’s Barrayar series, uterine replicators are the “modern” way to have children. “Body births” are generally seen as barbaric, since they not only put the mother at risk, but the mother has to – gasp! – change her lifestyle while she’s pregnant. There’s also a planet of gay men who use uterine replicators to raise their next generation(s).

I’d use an artificial uterus in a heartbeat. I’m terrified of getting pregnant because there have been way too many lost pregnancies in my family for my comfort. Add PCOS on top and yeah…. A safe way to do it would have my interest immediately.

How come they think women wouldn’t be all over that, just like with sex robots? (If it does what a man does AND vibrates…. Sold. As an addon to the real thing, but still. Sold.)

@VP
There’s also a recent Israeli scifi story where regular (for us) birth is considered a weird thing for someone to do, but I can’t recall the details about how pregnancies work there. Will have to look it up and find out. Pretty gopd story, anyway.

If I could just crave the attention of all condiment firing heathens here. A friend has had some work published in a book that’s just come out. So she’s asked me to publicise it where I can (she gets like €0.0003 a copy). It’s in Dutch but I know we have a pretty cosmopolitan commentariat here.

http://www.period.nl/promotie/period-het-boek/

If I could just crave the attention of all condiment firing heathens here. A friend has had some work published in a book that’s just come out. So she’s asked me to publicise it where I can (she gets like €0.0003 a copy). It’s in Dutch but I know we have a pretty cosmopolitan commentariat here.

http://www.period.nl/promotie/period-het-boek/

Ah, found it – it’s the 2012 story “Push!” by Keren Landsman, and for Hebrew readers, it’s here:
http://meorot.sf-f.org.il/2012/?stories_project=תלחצי-קרן-לנדסמן
For the rest of you, the gist of it is a woman who finds herself having to give birth on a spaceship, in a society where natural pregnancy is pretty much obsolete (it’s just because her husband was all about doing things “naturally”; she says that usually, even if you make the baby “the old way”, you then move it to an incubator until it’s ready). A cute little comic situation, with a bunch of people trying to be helpful but not knowing anything about birth, and even though I’ve not been through pregnancy or birth it feels very relatable (because Keren is an excellent writer). The artificial wombs are just seen as a fact of normal life, with people who choose to forego them seen about as quaint as people in our society who choose to grind flour and churn butter by hand. So, that’s another one for the list, I think.

(Also, didn’t catch the typo before the edit window closed, so of course, “gopd” = good)

Hmm. Yeah, it’s certainly possible he meant trans women rather than gay men; I assumed he meant the latter b/c I’ve never run across “cute-boys” meaning, well, the term Dalillama referred to, though maybe that is a translation error on his part.

I suspect it’s less translation error and more trans-women aren’t women.

Tyler Roberts seems to have gotten all his ideas about drug dealers from Hollywood movies. I live in a small working class/poor town that has a lot of meth and opiate users, and the drug dealers here are not violent or well-off.

The one that lives across the street from me lives with his parents*. He also goes out ‘scrapping’–looking for metal that he can sell to the scrapyard. He buys an old car every few months, drives it till it dies, then sells it to the junkyard.

He has a girlfriend right now. She’s not a “coed”; she’s homeless, and she lives in an old van wrapped in a tarp.

* Apparently, this is common.

Fact is they are more of women than you

Oooh, was that supposed to be an insult? Because being “more of women” by your standards apparently doesn’t mean much considering how you view women as nothing more than “western whores” and think we’ll all kill ourselves when you don’t feel the need to fuck us anymore. (I, for one, will be grateful for that day.)

I actually feel awful on behalf of these men you say you want to rape.

some claim to be straight but can be seduced still.

“Some of them say they’re straight and don’t want to fuck me, but I’ll just rape them!”

They don’t complain often, and if they do try to cause an issue out of nowhere the gynocentric court won’t take them seriously.

You mean men like YOU won’t take them seriously. You literally believe that men aren’t protected under rape laws.

You also believe in toxic masculinity instead actual masculinity, which means you’d very likely mock the victim of your assault for being assaulted by a man and daring to say anything about it.

Go lick a cactus.

I feel like I need to get something really obvious off my chest here:

Get fucking bent, DownWithWomen. You can, under the LEGAL DEFINITION OF RAPE, rape men. Men can be victims of rape, and the fact that you’d openly suggest that you would do so, and the fact that you seem to think that this is okay and you’d get away with it is fucking disgusting.

As a rape survivor, I hope you get aggressively hugged by a field full of cacti and then walk down an infinite hallway of legos with the promise of shoes on the other side.

Nothing more I can say about that would be permissible by the comments policy, so I’ll leave it at that.

Now that that’s out of the way, let’s look at some of the less egregious quotes:

When artificial wombs are invented men won’t even have to do it, women will rope themselves as their sexual market value plus power that comes alongside it is completely destroyed.

I think it’s rather telling that DownWithWomen only thinks that we live for sex and the “power” we get from it.

I mean, I like sex don’t get me wrong, but I still have interests outside of sex that could keep me entertained long after my “SMV” has been “completely destroyed” because men will make babies without my womb. I mean, I didn’t plan on using it anyways.

That, and vibrators and dildos are still a thing. I mean, I don’t technically need someone with a penis to get off. It’s not a requirement that there has to be a penis-haver in my life in order for me to get laid.

AND I’m also attracted to people with vaginas, so…yeah. Still don’t need a penis attached to a person.

Women also sexually desire men who […] wear tattoos/piercings on them.

Well, he’s kind of right there (the whole bit about women wanting criminals is all rather stupid and not founded in reality, though). I do find tattoos and piercings to be really attractive (on anyone really). And I plan on getting some myself when I can afford it.

But I also like glasses. And lacy lingerie, with pantyhose and garterbelts. And shirts that are juuuust long enough to cover up butts. And boxer briefs. And now I am getting really distracted.

What I’m trying to get at is that tattoos/piercings isn’t really an indicator of “criminal behavior” because some women are attracted to people who have them, unless you’re buying into that stupid stereotype that a lot of the older generation have about everyone with tattoos is a thug, because that’s the only kind of person who had a tattoo/piercing (that didn’t include a woman with ONLY one piercing in each earlobe) Back in the Day.

Nowadays, lots of people have tattoos and piercings, because it’s considered more of an artform rather than just an indicator of how “hard” you are.

@ lindsayirene

Apparently, this is common

Indeed it is. Even when you consider proper ‘organised crime’ most people involved earn less than minimum wage and live with relatives. That’s the same in the UK and US. Even with the mob guys. It’s a very hierarchical structure and unless you’re very much in the higher echelons (which accounts for a tiny number of members) you’re pretty much just a peon. Apparently it’s a lifestyle choice though that many members, even at the lowest rung, wouldn’t give up (they cite non material benefits: status, ‘respect’, excitement etc.)

For a lot of people of course crime just arises from lack of other opportunities.

That’s gotta be the most pitiful trollfail I’ve ever seen. Glad they ran away in shame after that drive-by.

One’s gotta have standards. Even when it comes to trolls.

@Kat

Weeell to be honest I utterly suck at puns – I just got lucky to spot the opportunity, which will happen sometimes.

And for what it’s worth, English is pretty much my new “native” language now – I wasn’t born in it, but my brain’s pretty much wired in it now, and I’m losing my French too. I still have some ESL issues but I actually struggle more with French – I don’t have to translate my thoughts from French to English like you’d expect, but the other way around. So I guess, for all intents and purposes, I’m an anglophone now.

@Lea

Either way, he is living in a darkest timeline he has dreamt up himself. A dose of reality and self awareness would go a long way into making these guys less miserable assholes.

Oh, they understand reality. Note how their fantasies are always set in the near future, with future-tense verbs. This WILL happen, and men WILL do this and women WILL do that. They know perfectly well that reality doesn’t match their fever dreams, but they want their fever dreams to be real soooooo much, so they simply make the setting the future and imagine that we are working our way in that direction.

A dose of reality, IOW, doesn’t seem to help them much.

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