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NYmag.com interviewed me about MRAs, the Alt-Right and Trump; the piece went up today

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I recently talked to Claire Landsbaum of NYmag’s The Cut about MRA’s, PUAs, the Alt-Right, and Trump. Her piece, featuring a bunch of quotes from me, went up today.

Check it out here.

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Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

@Conan: That’s something that always gets me about this kind of argument.

David goes into PUBLIC SPACES online. These aren’t private servers or password-protected blogs. These are PUBLIC SITES that anyone can go to, and many of them advertise to get more people to come to their sites.

But somehow he’s a “spy” for the “feminist gynocracy”? For reporting on things they say on their public, advertised space?

For loud people who want to be heard, they sure are picky about who they want to hear them.

I mean, they can only get to so many cishet white non-feminist men people like that.

Conan the Librarian
Conan the Librarian
5 years ago

Paul Elam doesn’t know how right he is, or why:

It was just this kind of condescending indifference to reality that got Trump elected.

The indifference to fact and to truth displayed by Trump, his allies, and his minions is truly breathtaking, but it was probably the less blatant but more condescending indifference to truth and fact displayed by mainstream media (“Trump and Clinton call each other bigots”) in the name of “balance” that helped get Trump elected.

How the NY Mag piece exemplifies that kind of “condescending indifference to reality” is, of course, not explained, but understand that Paul Elam’s insights are like pearls buried in rubbish heaps.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
5 years ago

@Conan ‘Stopped watch’ syndrome, I suppose.

NicolaLuna - epic slut
NicolaLuna - epic slut
5 years ago

@kupo
Thanks for translating that! I was so baffled.

@joader
Look, if you want to troll here you’ll have to up your game. That was boring. Like, we’ve had trolls here who live DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH and who call penguins whores and who say that men should be ranked by penis size. Your offering was poor

Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
5 years ago

Interesting.

I was thinking about the MRA connection to the (short-lived) football-boycott at the University of Minnesota. While thinking about it, I was musing over the extreme right wing generally, and -to my less educated eyes- the MRA focus on “due process” which isn’t actually due and the alt-right’s obsession with legal favoritism on behalf of men, whites, Christians, and especially masculine, white Christians look awfully similar when you place the MRAs & Alt-Righties next to each other.

It made me think of the MRA’s manosphere as a gateway to the alt-right (even if the alt-right isn’t exactly a gateway to the manosphere). But even if I’ve got something wrong in this thesis, it is still quite obvious to me that the manosphere exerted a huge influence on the entitlement of the players’ boycott and how they framed that boycott to the media.

For instance, they were initially stating that they refused to go back to the field until “due process” exempted from punishment any of the 10 players accused of violations of scholarship conditions and student code of conduct regulations. How does “due process” work if the outcome is determined before the process? I don’t know – and neither did the players! – but hey, if a man got held accountable for his actions it must be unfair, right?

Anyway, if you have the time and inclination, I’d love to see your take on any connection between the MRAs and UofMFootball.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

MRAs are part of the alt right. It’s just their sanitised name for the alliance between MRAs, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Crip Dyke,

As a Minnesotan that story is really giving me some rage strokes. I got in a fight with my dad because at first he was pulling that if the DA didn’t press charges, there must be a reason bs. Then he actually read the victim’s account and changed his mind. I’s horrific. I’m actively cheering for the Gophers to lose even though my mother and several friends are U of M alum.

I don’t think this has to do with MRAs though. I think this is just the usual good old fashioned misogyny. Bros before hos. She must have had it coming. Etc. This shit existed long before the MRM it’s just that there’s backlash because the university is doing the right thing for a change.

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