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“Women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, or power,” Alt-right blogger declares

Women  destroying civilization
Women destroying civilization

Most Men’s Rights Activists who wish women didn’t have the right to vote are savvy enough not to say so outright. Instead, they make up fairy tales about how men’s right to vote (at least here in the US) is contingent on men signing up for the draft.

This isn’t actually true — when the draft was abolished in 1973, men weren’t suddenly stripped of their voting rights. And while it is true that young men in the US have been required to register for the draft since 1980, there is no draft, nor will there be one at any point in the forseeable future, making registration about as much of a burden as signing a pledge that you won’t sprout wings and fly to the moon.

But not every anti-suffragette resorts to this sort of sophistry. Take, for example, the Alt-Rightster and woman-voting-opposer Axel Mckibbin.

In a recent post on his blog The Anti-puritan, McKibbin argues that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they’re a bunch of lazy, emotional, dishonest, irresponsible and irrational cowards who will bring Western civilization crashing down around us if they aren’t stripped of their power, and soon.

In a post with the lovely title “Why women can’t be trusted with voting, free speech, national budgets, or power,” Mckibbin sets forth his case against women.

It’s not a very original one. He starts off by contrasting the rational, data-driven approach he thinks men bring to complicated problems with the emotional, irrational “feminine method.” As he sees it,

Men argue or accommodate information they don’t like, women stifle upsetting discussion with emotional tyranny and censorship, or simply bury their heads in the sand.

This wouldn’t be much of a problem if women had no power whatsoever, but for some silly reason men gave women the vote — and the world has been going down the toilet ever since.

[S]ince women have achieved the right to vote, power has shifted from the masculine to the feminine, and thus, from logic to tantrums, from debate to censorship.

Tantrums, huh? I guess he’s right. I’ve never seen men throwing tantrums when people disagree with them.

Oh wait.

Ok, ok, ladies! Don’t throw a fit about this! Let’s just assume that fellow is an outlier, and move on.

Like the rational, data-driven dude he is, McKibbin then throws out a free-associational list of all the things he thinks the ladies are doing wrongly and badly and femininely. Naturally, he provides no evidence for any of his assertions.

It is not a coincidence that the most challenging academic disciplines and hazardous jobs are male dominated. Women are psychologically, not just physically, weaker than men. They choose the easy road in everything. They censor rather than debate honestly in women’s studies departments. They chose easy majors that pay less. They chose easy low paying jobs rather than dangerous/difficult high paying ones. They lie about wage gaps rather than take responsibility and do difficult work.

Then, without even a pause for a paragraph break, he essentially accuses women of being a bunch of lying false rape accusers.

They believe that regret constitutes rape when they could instead take responsibility for their sexual choices.

And then, again without a pause, he offers what is either a weird, out-of-place dig at Hillary Clinton … or a suggestion that all the women of the world routinely mishandle top-secret material.

The screw up classified emails rather than do a minimum of ass-covering. They hate white men who they disagree with rather than Muslims who rape them.

Dude, I’m pretty sure women do hate Muslims — and Christians, and Hindus, and atheists — who rape them. They’re just a little less likely to blame all Muslims (or Christians, or Hindus, or atheists) for the actions of some Muslims, or Christians or, well, you know the rest.

Whenever a female is given a choice, she will choose the cowardly, dishonest, low agency method rather than the courageous, honest, high agency masculine method.

Yes, this is an actual sentence a human being wrote.

She would rather have handouts than balanced budgets for her children’s futures. She would rather censor than be upset. She would rather falsely accuse men of rape than take responsibility for her sexual choices when drunk.

And he’s back on that false accusation thing.

She would rather get divorced than work through the rough patches. She would rather vote stupidly for Bernie than understand economics. She would rather have a 15 dollar minimum wage than a job.

Uh, maybe because raising the minimum wage won’t actually cost us jobs?

She would rather vote for the wage increase than study the issues.

Or maybe she already studied the issue?

She would rather have alimony and child-support than a lasting marriage.

Or perhaps she would simply like to get out of a miserable marriage. And would like the father of her children to continue to pay some of the costs of raising them.

 

As I have said in other places, democracy is the ethnic form of government of white males. It is designed for high agency individuals of relatively equal capacity and relatively high intelligence. It simply does not work for low agency people.

Ah, racism. It’s about time you showed up. It wouldn’t be a true alt-right rant without some racism to go with all this misogyny.

To a male the state is a series of threats, to a female a series of benefits. Women cannot be drafted (yet), they are arrested at much lower rates, and given shorter sentences for the same crimes.

Hey, he managed to work the non-existent draft into the equation!

Men are arrested much more often than women, it’s true; they also commit many more crimes. The best way to reduce the number of men arrested for bullshit charges? Get the cops to stop racial profiling. And end the war on drugs.

Women do tend to get somewhat shorter sentences for the same crimes. This is partly because the men committing the same crimes tend to have longer criminal records. It’s also because some male judges are more likely to treat women more leniently. Female judges tend to be more egalitarian in their sentencing.

Despite men being victims of domestic violence, only women have state-supported domestic violence shelters.

Most shelters get only a small portion of their funding from the government. Many if not most also provide shelter for men in the form of hotel vouchers. There’s nothing stopping Men’s Rights activists from building shelters for men. Aside from the fact that they’re Men’s Rights activists, and MRAs don’t actually do crap for men. 

Only men can be successfully prosecuted for raping women, despite the fact that women also rape men. Women get preferential treatment and custody in family courts. Men are essentially guilty until proven innocent in affirmative consent states.

None of this is true. Women are prosecuted — successfullyfor rape. It doesn’t happen a lot, but it happens, and will almost certainly happen more in the future.

While more women than men get custody, that’s not the result of bias. In the overwhelming majority of cases, it’s because that’s what the divorcing parents agree to out of court. When men do go to court to ask for custody they often get it.

“Affirmative consent” laws apply to colleges, not criminal law, and they actually go a long way to clearing up anxieties about consent between partners. If you get an enthusiastic “yes” from a partner who is’t wasted before having sex, well, you know you have consent.

Men are taxed at higher rates.

If they earn more, yes.

Women receive benefits that men don’t. Since only women get custody, only women qualify for welfare. Even WIC means Women Infant Children program.

WIC is designed to provide assistance so poor kids don’t starve to death. Despite the name, WIC provides food vouchers and nutrition classes to men responsible for kids getting fed. True, it doesn’t provide cis men with the same benefits it provides pregnant and breastfeeding women, but that’s because cis men do not get pregnant.

The state treats males as disposable in war, letting them die homeless on the streets while paying females with five baby daddies to get pregnant at the taxpayer expense and receive food stamps.

Yes, it’s terrible that the government provides minimal assistance to keep babies and young children from starving. A quick Google search would have told you that men and women without children can also get food stamps.

It attacks marriage and men with alimony and child-support. The state is nothing but threats for men and benefits for women.

You know, rich women can end up paying alimony just like rich men. Fathers raising kids are entitled to child support from their exes, just as mothers are. And again, child support is designed to support children.

This is why women cannot be trusted with national budgets. Even if a woman possesses the courage to engage with uncomfortable facts she still has a disincentive to defend her national interest.

Er, what? Is it somehow in our national interest to let kids starve?

Combine with low agency she works to destroy her society, letting in rapugees, voting for handouts, creating guilty until innocent rape laws, censoring males in the workplace, filing bogus sexual harassment charges, and on and on. Here, low agency and incentives make her nothing but a threat to civilization.

Or at least to that portion of civilization that thinks it’s hilarious to make awful sexist jokes at work.

Her right to vote is a right to destroy other’s rights with redistribution, censorship, and false rape accusations, to bring in hostile raping refugees while attacking the conservative men who defend her as racists, even though Islam is not a race!

Yeah, it’s just a big coincidence that so many of the people the alt-right hate tend to be black or brown.

She will get a Muslim America in the bargain for her efforts. Women will never take equal responsibility, have equal agency, or be equally courageous. Strip them of power before they destroy civilization.

Honestly, the biggest threat to civilization right now is named Donald Trump, and women are a good deal more likely to vote against him than men.

I say, let’s keep women’s suffrage, at least for now.

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Jason
Jason
10 years ago

What’s amazing in the history of women and war is how women fought to replace men on the battlefield. Wherever a man or boy went , a woman was there demanding that her life instead be sacrificed in the stead of a man or boy.

Women are truly heroic, which is why there should be equal rights. The civil, first and second world wars have women bursting at the seems of heroics. Women are America’s best asset.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
10 years ago

@David

I’m tired of him, for sure. Other people seem to really like tearing into him, though.

@Brony

Aww! That’s so cute! 😀

I just want you to know, I get this song in my head whenever I see your icon.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

It’s a school night. I vote for banning Jason so he doesn’t sleep through first-period history class again.

Kat
Kat
10 years ago

@Jason

What’s amazing in the history of women and war is how women fought to replace men on the battlefield.

No, in those days women were limited by both an even more onerous patriarchy than exists today and a lack of access to reliable contraception. So married women often found themselves pregnant much of the time. It’s difficult to be a soldier and be pregnant, in labor, nursing children, or raising children!

That said, women have distinguished themselves on the battlefield.

You may have heard of Molly Pitcher, who reloaded and shot her husband’s cannon when he was wounded and carried off the battlefield. She’s real. Her name was Mary Ludwig Hays. But there were lots of women like Molly Pitcher, who risked their lives on the battlefield.

The name itself [Molly Pitcher] may have originated as a nickname given to women who carried water to men on the battlefield during the war.

Here’s Molly, bravely stepping in to take over for her husband:

As her husband was carried off the battlefield, Mary Hays took his place at the cannon. For the rest of the day, in the heat of battle, Mary continued to “swab and load” the cannon using her husband’s ramrod. At one point, a British musket ball or cannonball flew between her legs and tore off the bottom of her skirt. Mary supposedly said something to the effect of, “Well, that could have been worse,” and went back to loading the cannon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Pitcher

Jason
Jason
10 years ago

Jason is your conciseness yelling at you for being the word’s biggest asshole! Why? Because you’re the world’s biggest asshole.

This is my final post. Thank you for having me. It’s been…what I expected.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Pandapool
My experience of the fandom was a bit different. But then again the fandom did a terrible job at quality control.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Bye Jason!

Have fun!

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
10 years ago

Holy crap. I totally missed several pages of trollery.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
10 years ago

I think there might be a connection between these two things that MRAs often say (scream):

1. Men only “choose” “their” women based on looks.
2. ALL WOMEN ARE TERRIBLE

Maybe they should start dating people they like.

All I can think when I see the usual MRA whining is: “I married someone who I had nothing in common with, and the relationship didn’t work it. But it’s not my fault!”

mockingbird
mockingbird
10 years ago

Fuck you people. You hide behind the young and fruitful to extend your own lives in time of war. You’re a bunch of fucking cowards! You’re stealing the future of the next generation through forgone taxes as well.

I know that this is way old news, but hm…oddly enough, those weren’t my thoughts when I enlisted in the military at 18.

I’m willing to bet that they weren’t the thoughts that my Great Aunt had when she joined the US Marines in WWII. (Here’s another link.)
Unfortunately, I don’t know most of her story from that time and it may be too late to ask 🙁 (she’s still living, but is suffering some mental decline), but I can say that her husband had to deflect quite a few comments about the mounted Marine rifle and medals on display throughout their marriage (he had been medically disqualified and hadn’t served).
In her prime, she was also a bit over 6 feet tall, broad-shouldered, and a crack shot (my Grandpa’s side grows ’em big and had historically been from Appalachia – and not only boys can shoot critters)…I’m preeettty sure I remember hearing that she hadn’t been relegated to desk and coffee duty.

It always pisses me off when I hear MRAs wax on about women not being “enough” for the military. I think that there’s a real conversation to be had about women in some (very few) specialties, but that primarily comes down to statistics* and logistics**.

*Some specialties require quite a bit of sustained, extreme physical exertion, and fewer women (or, really, people who produce/process less testosterone) can meet the requirements than men (or, again, people who produce/process more testosterone) – but, tbh, many men can’t meet the requirements, either.++

**Logistics comes into play in that women (or, to refine it, people who menstruate and may who might become pregnant) have different field requirements than men. It’s more feasible for large institutions with lots of moving parts to have uniform specs for like units.++

++And, to be clear, anyone of any gender is excluded from some specialties if they have any recurring medical requirements, in part because it can be logistically improbable to ensure that their needs are met in a remote deployment. It can also be unduly (both purely logistically and from a cost/benefit perspective) burdensome in a remote field setting to ensure the currently required separate facilities for different genders if very few of one gender can qualify. The latter could obviously be mitigated by eliminating those requirements, but that would have to come after a pivot in attitudes and norms. I’m 100% for education, reform, and change, but *whistles through teeth* I can’t get behind the forefront of that push being in life-or-death situations that require maximum operational readiness.
As it is, it seems like progress is being made by simple proximity and experience. Many (young) soldiers that I’ve known give zero shits about someone’s gender (or sexual orientation) if they can get the job done and aren’t a blue falcon.

In a Mockingbird as Supreme Ruler scenario, I’d make it so that military specialties had set gender-blind requirements that had to be met – to be 11B, for instance, you’d have to be able to ruck 200 lbs for 20 miles, would have no recurring medical needs (medications, etc), and would be able to satisfy some set of equipment proficiency benchmarks – but that’s not yet the world.

Hell, though – in a Mockingbird as Supreme (and Omnipotent) Ruler – I’VE BECOME Q!!! – scenario, I’d find some non-coercive way to make war obsolete, so…

*looks at post*

I’ve made this too long.

I’m going to go ahead and hit enter now.

mockingbird
mockingbird
10 years ago

@PoM –

I think there might be a connection between these two things that MRAs often say (scream):

1. Men only “choose” “their” women based on looks.
2. ALL WOMEN ARE TERRIBLE

Right?

“I HATE THEM!!!”

Then don’t date them.

Date someone else.

Or don’t date.

“BERT MUH MANLY URGES!” say MRAs and MRA-adjacents.

Meditate.
Masturbate.
Go for long runs and take cold showers.

There’s a storied history of men dealing with it.

mockingbird
mockingbird
10 years ago

Also I love how Jason’s most heinous examples of evil dictators are two men. No cognitive dissonance there! Carry on!

Women made them do it, obvs.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
10 years ago

@mockingbird

Did you just call me “PoM”? :p

Are our cats so similar?

mockingbird
mockingbird
10 years ago

Yes.

Yes, I did.

Saw cat, translated that as “PoM”.

Sorry about that.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
10 years ago

@mockingbird

🙂 No worries.

Skiriki
Skiriki
10 years ago

TBH, this time I shall not mourn the missed troll roast, because… well… to be honest, playing Cookie Clicker is more engaging than debating Yet Another MRA Talking Point which has been reheated elebentybillion times.

In a complete tangent, if one of the fan-fave backronyms for MRE is “Meals Rejected by Everyone”, I wonder what we could squish out of MRA…

mockingbird
mockingbird
10 years ago

Men Repulsive to Anyone

mockingbird
mockingbird
10 years ago

@IP – I was going to say, “They’re even both Calico!”, but yours looks like an orange tabby upon closer examination.

*sigh*

Sorry again.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
10 years ago

I was wondering how we are supposed to be trapping all the men in marriages if they’re imprisoned on the false rape charges we all make some often.

I guess we’ll never know now.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
10 years ago

@mockingbird

But his mother is a calico! 🙂

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

Jason really ran out of gas at the end, didn’t he? The long-anticipated head explosion never materialized. I haven’t been so disappointed since the ending of “Lost”.

Then again, he was trolling for six hours straight without even a single Hot Pocket break. A girl must have said a mean thing to him at the lockers yesterday.

So yeah, I love the total lack of self-awareness of “Women are only valuable for their looks”, but “Women are superficial and shallow!” Not to mention “Feminists are trying to force men to be attracted to tattoos and body fat”, but “How dare women have, and express, preferences! That’s evil!” The inside of a MGTOW’s mind is a carnival whiplash ride of cognitive dissonance. So much mental gymnastics. So few stuck landings.

Even women’s most basic self-preservation instincts, like staying far away from hateful rageaholics, are presented as evidence of feeeemale moral degeneracy. Men can pick and choose, of course, but women, being consumer products, are supposed to just stand still and wait to be chosen and not have the bad form to question the flaws in this arrangement. Choosing women based only on looks might work for a one night Tindr fling, but it’s a terrible approach for a long term relationship. I always laugh at how surprised and angry MGTOW are when the women they expected to be perfect subservient blowup dolls turn out to be human, and then they blame the “product” for being “defective”.

Regarding the military, I also love the toweringly ignorant chutzpah of denying women access to education, jobs, power, property, money, and spousal choice for centuries upon centuries, then blaming women for not thriving under that system AND for all the bad side effects of that system. From paying for dinner to military sacrifice, it’s a system created by men, for the benefit of men. Women aren’t the ones peddling the ancient “Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori” lie. Kings, presidents, politicians, journalists, propagandists, and recruiting officers are usually the ones pounding the drums of war and urging men to combat. And guess what? Almost all of those are dudes. If it were up to women, we’d keep our husbands, brothers, and sons home safely with us.

If MGTOWs really don’t like the tradeoffs of patriarchy, then why are they working so hard to preserve it?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

@IP – I always thought your kitty had some ragdoll in him. He’s so sweet!