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Manosphere drama: Roosh Valizadeh reportedly arrested in Poland after “violent confrontation” [UPDATE: It’s a hoax]

Roosh, apparently in custody in Poland. Photo from Roosh V Forum
Roosh, either in custody in Poland or posing in a jail cell for some publicity stunt. Photo from Roosh V Forum

UPDATE: Increasingly implausible posts from Tuthmosis, the source of all the “information” about Roosh’s alleged arrest, make it pretty clear this was a hoax.

UPDATE 2: And Roosh has officially admitted it:

Tuthmosis and I conspired to prank the internet that I was in jail. The picture used is from the German DDR museum. …

I expect many of you to be annoyed, and I hope Tuth and I didn’t betray your trust with the prank, but the security and viability of the forum was never compromised and the picture was just too good not to use. Credit goes to Tuth for his “new rules” (http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33639-…#pid667804 ), which—if you were in on the joke—was quite amusing. I also did not expect the story to be as believed as it was, since there are many flaws in the picture that suggest it’s not a real jail cell, but on the other hand, the prospect of me going to jail is not unexpected. If you are pissed off, I recommend you read Tuth’s bulletins to see the humor in the prank (the “bill me later” option was my favorite).

I do sincerely appreciate the thoughts of concern of my Polish imprisonment. Now of course I really will be jailed and no one will believe it because of this false jailing accusation. In case of a real “involuntary absence” from the forum, I trust Tuth to continue moderation efforts. For many years he has selflessly helped me maintain the community we have and not actually gone mad with power.

On a positive note, we managed to troll the tub of estrogen Manboobz and his readers.

Interesting that the people who fell the hardest for his hoax were his own fans. Also, I’m not sure that me posting something that essentially said “here’s something that looks a bit fishy that’s being reported by someone who may well be lying” really counts as “being trolled.”

ORIGINAL POST:

Before I go into any details here I want to say that all of this is coming from Roosh’s forum and hasn’t been confirmed in any way. So treat it with however much skepticism you deem appropriate. For all I know this could be some bizarre publicity stunt to promote Roosh’s blog and his reprehensible Return of Kings website.

But according to Roosh’s pal “Tuthmosis,” who says he is getting his info from a friend of Roosh in Poland, Roosh has been arrested after some sort of violent “confrontation.” Here’s his description of what allegedly happened:

  • Roosh had a violent “confrontation” in Poland

  • He was apprehended by Polish authorities

  • He’s being (or already has been) charged with some sort of crime and being held in jail

In a followup comment he offered additional details about the alleged incident:

  • Confrontation was with Paul/Andre, his gypsy stalker

  • Didn’t start violent, but escalated quickly

  • Witnesses pointed to Roosh

  • There were “serious injuries”

  • Roosh is definitely being charged with something

In response to some skeptics who suggested this might all be a hoax, he wrote:

I too was hopeful this was some sort of joke–even if it meant me having egg on my face–but I just got a message from a second source. This is a guy who does back-end work for ROK and I’ve personally met, so I have no reason to doubt him.

Roosh is definitely being charged with a (serious) crime. The gypsy apparently took a nasty beating. What’s more, witnesses (who may be acquaintances of the gypsy) claim that Roosh was speaking epithets at him and may have used an object to strike him. I don’t know what the Polish laws are, but these circumstances apparently add to the severity of the crime. I got a couple of calls out to see what his legal prospects are, but the language barriers and time difference are making information hard to come by.

Naturally, Roosh’s fans being a bunch of racist assholes, the alleged ethnicity of Roosh’s alleged stalker led to some lovely generalizations about “gypsies” and this comment, from “Walter White,” who suggested that anti-“gypsy” bigotry might just get Roosh off the hook:

Scary stuff. I’ve travelled extensively in the region, and gypsies aren’t well thought of in Eastern Europe. Sounds terrible, but that’s the way it is. I guess an analogy for Americans would be like if a white dude got into a fight with a black guy in the 1940’s in the South. As wrong as it may be, the white guy would be given the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Roosh will get the benefit of that with regard to a fight with a gypsy. Then again, he’s not a Pole – so he’s not gonna get much “home team” advantage.

I guess we’ll see, huh?

That is, assuming this isn’t all a publicity stunt.

Odd that Roosh appears to have emerged apparently unscathed from such an allegedly violent confrontation. His hair isn’t even mussed up.

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Melissia (@MelissiaKuromoi)

> Guy posts hoax
> Another guy says “this is probably a hoax”
> Turns out to be a hoax
> First guy claims second guy was prank’d
> First guy is a dumbass.

No surprise on any of this…

Wetherby
8 years ago

I’m sure victims of the Stasi would just love having a replica of one of their jail cells used as a prop for a juvenile, self-serving prank. Tee hee!

This comes with the territory. When my Polish friends were eviscerating Bang Poland one of their observations was that he couldn’t even get the simplest historical facts straight. Granted, this clearly isn’t going to be top of Roosh’s priority list, but some of the howlers were equivalent to saying that the Statue of Liberty was a gift from Native Americans or that Big Ben is in the middle of Stonehenge – and if you’re going to get it that badly wrong in one area, why should anyone trust you when it comes to anything else? (It goes without saying that his observations about Polish women were full of shit too.)

I really wish I could remember even vaguely when this discussion was held, as I’d stand a fighting chance of tracking it down!

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

Whenever Doosh and his buddies/fans are mentioned. This song comes to mind.

NSFW (swear words)

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

This may be the most guilt-free I’ve ever been in the midst of a schadenfreudegasm.

Malitia
Malitia
8 years ago

I wager DDR in this context is the Deutsche Demokratische Republik also known as East Germany.

Also Ally S from the beginning is right “tzigan” (Hungarian spelling “cigány”) is or at least can be an anti-Romani slur. While not a g-word or n-word it’s still better to avoid it.

Falconer
8 years ago

I guess an analogy for Americans would be like if a white dude got into a fight with a black guy in the 1940′s in the South. As wrong as it may be, the white guy would be given the benefit of the doubt.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Cynical laughter leading to gross sobbing on the floor.

I wager DDR in this context is the Deutsche Demokratische Republik also known as East Germany.

I haven’t read the previous pages of comments, but I googled “DDR museum Germany” and it does indeed look like an East Germany museum. Its website says:

History comes dynamically alive as the visitor is given a first-hand introduction to life in the first Socialist state on German soil. See, touch, feel and experience the actual conditions of a long-defunct system.

Cynical snort at “long-defunct system.” I’m not old, I’m 35. I remember East Germany, but I didn’t live there. I never even visited until 1997.

Falconer
8 years ago

@Wetherby:

Does Manboobz have an EMERGENCY PLAN?

Yes, we do. It is highly detailed and very thorough.

leftwingfox
8 years ago

Oh… oh my…

This is so delicious, it has to be fattening.

Falconer
8 years ago

Trolly seems to think Manboobz is David’s job, and that he’s entirely dependent on the Douche for posts. Both of which add weight to the thesis “troll is an idiot”.

Oh no, if the manosphere all got arrested for street brawling tomorrow, we’d all have to FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO OH NOEZ

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

The sitcom pitches just write themselves here!

These days he could add DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH!

::Crosses fingers and holes double block quote works::

Mikey could be the wacky next door neighbor that claims to be all sorts of important but inever does anything but hang around their apartment.

Hey, this really does write itself!

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

You’ve got guys in real life ready to take action and contribute real money to help a serious situation. I don’t know of another online forum with that level of camaraderie.

*waves from Manboobz* But I’ve seen literal strangers chip in money and services for a person in need on LJ and Tumblr: legal defense funds are mounted, cars and homes are repaired, abortions are funded, all due to the natural tendency of human beings to think of themselves as members of a community, even when the “community” is just a bunch of usernames on a forum or social networking site. The cameraderie of RVF is nothing special (although it may feel that way to them, since rapist misogynists are increasingly unwelcome on the internet these days).

Guys guys… let’s all focus the anger on me and not each other.

That’s dangerously close to accepting responsibility, Roosh!

I was about to donate 100$+ of my cash to a middle eastern immigrant whom i’ve never met…

How quickly the racism resurfaces when Roosh is no longer in favor. It’s almost like surrounding yourself with white racists who only provisionally tolerate your non-whiteness is a bad idea!

katz
8 years ago

Wow, when did “This Party Just Took A Turn For The Douche” get that awesome music video? I’d only seen the webcam version!

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

But apparently it’s totally okay to gaslight women and manipulate them. In contrast, when it turns to them, it’s “MY FEE-FEES!!!!11!”. Maybe this would be a wake-up call to make them think that women don’t appreciate this either, but I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

You’re forgetting that women are the enemy, so their feelings don’t matter.

And let’s be real, upsetting/hurting women is part of the thrill for some of these guys.

@wetherby, can you PM your friend and ask him for a link? I’d love to read that takedown.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

It really is funny watching Roosh’s fanboys get all “wait, you weren’t supposed treat us like this, we’re men!”.

bluecat
bluecat
8 years ago

Well, at least I can report that ‘the prank’ did in no way betray my trust.

Can’t damage what doesn’t exist.

Falconer
8 years ago

Quoted by cloudiah:

You may want to examine Lee Kwan Yew’s view on senior public servants, the variance between the role, which is a ‘corporation sole’, and the person fulfilling the role, which is an interchangeable body that hot seats. A philosophical abstract between the (need to be) infallible servant, and the flawed human.

The who the what now.

contrapangloss
8 years ago

‘Corporation sole’

My mental image is a rock flounder in a business suit. Flounders in business suits are totally infallible, of course.

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

…which is a ‘corporation sole…’

Obviously, he’s talking about a fish in a suit.

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

Ninja’d!

katz
8 years ago

The corporation sole, another one of the sad stories in the Atlantic.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 years ago

Re: corporation sole

It’s the part of the corporation shoe that steps in the corporation dog doo.

leftwingfox
8 years ago

The sole of the corporation has been eliminated by the legal sharks.

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

You know the type, the fish in the grey flounder suit, always looking to play the right anglers; but deep down knows its all just a scat race and secretly wishes ze could just give it all up and dance to zir own tuna once in a while, just for the halibut.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Yay, more puns! And a sad fish!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
8 years ago

Better a sad fish than a sad prank.

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