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Manosphere drama: Roosh Valizadeh reportedly arrested in Poland after “violent confrontation” [UPDATE: It’s a hoax]

Roosh, apparently in custody in Poland. Photo from Roosh V Forum
Roosh, either in custody in Poland or posing in a jail cell for some publicity stunt. Photo from Roosh V Forum

UPDATE: Increasingly implausible posts from Tuthmosis, the source of all the “information” about Roosh’s alleged arrest, make it pretty clear this was a hoax.

UPDATE 2: And Roosh has officially admitted it:

Tuthmosis and I conspired to prank the internet that I was in jail. The picture used is from the German DDR museum. …

I expect many of you to be annoyed, and I hope Tuth and I didn’t betray your trust with the prank, but the security and viability of the forum was never compromised and the picture was just too good not to use. Credit goes to Tuth for his “new rules” (http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33639-…#pid667804 ), which—if you were in on the joke—was quite amusing. I also did not expect the story to be as believed as it was, since there are many flaws in the picture that suggest it’s not a real jail cell, but on the other hand, the prospect of me going to jail is not unexpected. If you are pissed off, I recommend you read Tuth’s bulletins to see the humor in the prank (the “bill me later” option was my favorite).

I do sincerely appreciate the thoughts of concern of my Polish imprisonment. Now of course I really will be jailed and no one will believe it because of this false jailing accusation. In case of a real “involuntary absence” from the forum, I trust Tuth to continue moderation efforts. For many years he has selflessly helped me maintain the community we have and not actually gone mad with power.

On a positive note, we managed to troll the tub of estrogen Manboobz and his readers.

Interesting that the people who fell the hardest for his hoax were his own fans. Also, I’m not sure that me posting something that essentially said “here’s something that looks a bit fishy that’s being reported by someone who may well be lying” really counts as “being trolled.”

ORIGINAL POST:

Before I go into any details here I want to say that all of this is coming from Roosh’s forum and hasn’t been confirmed in any way. So treat it with however much skepticism you deem appropriate. For all I know this could be some bizarre publicity stunt to promote Roosh’s blog and his reprehensible Return of Kings website.

But according to Roosh’s pal “Tuthmosis,” who says he is getting his info from a friend of Roosh in Poland, Roosh has been arrested after some sort of violent “confrontation.” Here’s his description of what allegedly happened:

  • Roosh had a violent “confrontation” in Poland

  • He was apprehended by Polish authorities

  • He’s being (or already has been) charged with some sort of crime and being held in jail

In a followup comment he offered additional details about the alleged incident:

  • Confrontation was with Paul/Andre, his gypsy stalker

  • Didn’t start violent, but escalated quickly

  • Witnesses pointed to Roosh

  • There were “serious injuries”

  • Roosh is definitely being charged with something

In response to some skeptics who suggested this might all be a hoax, he wrote:

I too was hopeful this was some sort of joke–even if it meant me having egg on my face–but I just got a message from a second source. This is a guy who does back-end work for ROK and I’ve personally met, so I have no reason to doubt him.

Roosh is definitely being charged with a (serious) crime. The gypsy apparently took a nasty beating. What’s more, witnesses (who may be acquaintances of the gypsy) claim that Roosh was speaking epithets at him and may have used an object to strike him. I don’t know what the Polish laws are, but these circumstances apparently add to the severity of the crime. I got a couple of calls out to see what his legal prospects are, but the language barriers and time difference are making information hard to come by.

Naturally, Roosh’s fans being a bunch of racist assholes, the alleged ethnicity of Roosh’s alleged stalker led to some lovely generalizations about “gypsies” and this comment, from “Walter White,” who suggested that anti-“gypsy” bigotry might just get Roosh off the hook:

Scary stuff. I’ve travelled extensively in the region, and gypsies aren’t well thought of in Eastern Europe. Sounds terrible, but that’s the way it is. I guess an analogy for Americans would be like if a white dude got into a fight with a black guy in the 1940’s in the South. As wrong as it may be, the white guy would be given the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Roosh will get the benefit of that with regard to a fight with a gypsy. Then again, he’s not a Pole – so he’s not gonna get much “home team” advantage.

I guess we’ll see, huh?

That is, assuming this isn’t all a publicity stunt.

Odd that Roosh appears to have emerged apparently unscathed from such an allegedly violent confrontation. His hair isn’t even mussed up.

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hookergal
hookergal
8 years ago

Honestly, wouldn’t surprise me. Given the attitude that he presents, the whole “my sh*t don’t stink” I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m even less surprised violence is a (potential) factor as ROK is hate filled place. Add in his racist behaviour. Boom. An event that was just a matter of time. I feel awful for the person who he (allegedly) assaulted. Keeping it classy ROK.

Eliza
Eliza
8 years ago

I’ve travelled extensively in Eastern Europe (including Poland) and encountered Eastern European gypsies. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the Polish authorities would not apprehend and incarcerate this guy unless he was behaving like a violent and appalling person. Since I’m familiar with his shitty website, I’m certain he was behaving in an appalling way. PS: I’ve noticed that a lot of these MRA creeps fetishize Eastern European women for being “unencumbered by feminism”. I have several friends from that part of the world and find that stereotype absolutely laughable. Perhaps he insulted the locals with his particular brand of sexism?

alternatesteve90
8 years ago

Well…..can’t say I’m really surprised. But then again, if this really is true, then at least he’s off the streets now so he can’t mess with anyone else.

@Eliza: Yeah. Roosh is just another one of those self-deceiving ass-backwards jerkoffs that never seem to get the hint until reality smacks him square in the face…..if ever at all.
(Also, I do believe the preferred designation for Andre’s ethnic group would be “Roma”, or “Romani”. Just thought I’d point that out.)

Wetherby
8 years ago

PS: I’ve noticed that a lot of these MRA creeps fetishize Eastern European women for being “unencumbered by feminism”. I have several friends from that part of the world and find that stereotype absolutely laughable.

I too have several friends from that part of the world – more specifically, a large number of female Polish friends and acquaintances in their twenties and thirties – and I too don’t recognize the stereotype.

The Polish women I know tend to be extremely confident and outgoing, both intellectually and socially, and while this sample is clearly going to be significantly biased towards the kind of people that I like to hang out with, I’m not getting much of a sense from conversations with them, their Facebook posts, etc. that they recognize the stereotype either.

hookergal
hookergal
8 years ago

I’m already kinda sickened to what the manosphere will do if this is real. I can imagine their vile posts.

I just don’t see why living with such hate is a pleasant thing to do.

lkeke35
lkeke35
8 years ago

The surprise …it’s not there!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

I’m not holding my breath till I have confirmation. For now, I remain skeptical, purely because we could only BE so lucky.

hookergal
hookergal
8 years ago

Regarding the fetishising of certain groups of women: I’m positive they’ve never met women from these places OR they have & the women have been polite because they don’t know what giant jerk wads they are & voila! “X women are better than western woman cos they don’t realise I’m a massive jerk!” (I think that’s the logic).

Ally S
8 years ago

They just keep getting worse. Now we have Manospherians espousing Anti-Romani violence.

By the way, I would like to point out that the institutionalized oppression of Romani people should not be labeled by non-Romani folks as “antiziganism”. “tzigan” is another slur used against the Romani people, if I recall correctly.

Binjabreel
8 years ago

Given how shittily I know authorities treat the Roma santi in Eastern Europe, I shudder to think how violent and out of control this shitlord must have been for anyone to actually do something.

Also, lol, my phone didn’t recognize shitlord, but tried to make it “shitlordery”. I have so fucked up this thing’s autocorrect.

fmudd
8 years ago

I’m not holding my breath till I have confirmation. For now, I remain skeptical, purely because we could only BE so lucky.

If it is a hoax it will only make them look worst AND cause more people (including vulnerable young people who identify as men) to be more disenfranchised with them.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

While we can all agree this is an unfortunate set of events, the show–as they say–must go on. I’ve had a plan in place just in case this sort of thing ever went down.

Uhhhh huh. What are the odds this is just a planned act to squeeze more green out of the ROK doofuses? Roosh killing off an old persona and taking on a new?

I’m a very cynical man, you see.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: fmudd

If it is a hoax it will only make them look worst AND cause more people (including vulnerable young people who identify as men) to be more disenfranchised with them.

Like that’s ever stopped them before. These are the hole-dwellers who keep on digging, remember?

fmudd
8 years ago

Like that’s ever stopped them before. These are the hole-dwellers who keep on digging, remember?

No question. But IMHO they always are primarily after vulnerable minds (I.E. young folks who identify as young men)

They need that audience the most; who else will give up the money?

If RooshV (or Tuthmosis) turns out to be lying to THEM it will certainly have an effect.

Eliza
Eliza
8 years ago

Spot on Binjabreel. The authorities are much more likely to side with an American tourist. He must have been beyond awful!

Wetherby
8 years ago

Someone on the ROK forums is asking if there’s been any interest in the Polish media.

Which is a good question, but something tells me that the author of Bang Poland isn’t going to get treated hugely sympathetically.

BreakfastMan
BreakfastMan
8 years ago

If this is true… Oh. Darn. I am so sad an admitted rapist and proponent of rape is rotting in prison.

Also, more racism from the manosphere. There is a totally new development…

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: fmudd

If RooshV (or Tuthmosis) turns out to be lying to THEM it will certainly have an effect.

Last I heard, Paul Elam using donations for his own gain didn’t really make an impression on them. I have no trouble believing the True Believers will stick with Roosh no matter WHAT asinine behavior he performs.

Cinzia La Strega
8 years ago

He looks sad, though. Of course he always looks sad. Ah well, at least we know where he is (at the moment).

fmudd
8 years ago

Last I heard, Paul Elam using donations for his own gain didn’t really make an impression on them. I have no trouble believing the True Believers will stick with Roosh no matter WHAT asinine behavior he performs.

I see what you are saying.

Well, for one I do hope that IF RooshV assaulted someone that the person is doing OK.

And that RooshV is charged appropriately, which based on the information so far should be attempted murder.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: fmudd

Well, for one I do hope that IF RooshV assaulted someone that the person is doing OK.

Urgh, yeah. Any word on this person, Dave? Is this Andre character someone who’s been mentioned before?

sparky
sparky
8 years ago

Call me cynical, but this is starting to sound like a some kind of con to me.

A new fee structure for membership tiers, datasheets, and banned members.

So they’re going to start charging money for “membership?” Are they going to start sending out “Roosh V Club” buttons and secret decoder rings?

fmudd
8 years ago

So they’re going to start charging money for “membership?” Are they going to start sending out “Roosh V Club” buttons and secret decoder rings?

They had “silver” and “gold” membership for a while now where you get awesome stuff like sending members more private messages and changing your username 🙂 : http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-32112.html

Either way RooshV and his crew is obviously hurting for cash.

Which tells us that their book sales and websites aren’t doing so well.

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