The charming Man Going His Own Way who calls himself Rex Patriarch has written up a short treatise entitled “Women Are Incapable of Love.” (He’s also posted a video by another MGTOWer making the same point, but we’ll just ignore that for now, because I didn’t bother to watch it.)
Anyway, here’s Rex’s argument, such as it is:
Look guys, women are like pets.
Do pets love you?
No, of course not but they do feel the warmth which is the love you may have for them. At a minimum you are their meal ticket. That in of itself is why they stick around.
Same same with women. As long as you are their meal ticket they “love” you but the very moment you can’t provide for them. The very moment they find a better deal, find some higher status.
Watch how fast that “love” goes out the window.
The reason being is it never was there to begin with. It was just something they were telling you to keep the goodies coming. Up until they could find something better. If they can.
The thing is men can love women all they want or none at all but don’t expect them to love you back in the same measure. They simply do not have the ability.
What’s interesting about this argument, insofar as anything about it is interesting, is that he’s not just, you know, wrong about women. He’s also wrong about pets.
Now, anyone who’s bonded with a pet certainly feels that their pet loves them back. (Or at least some pets do; I’m pretty sure the turtle my brother had as a kid didn’t really love anything other than worms.) Still, some skeptics insist that we’re just anthropomorphizing when we look at our pets and see love in their eyes.
But researchers are increasingly seeing harder-to-dismiss signs that animals may have emotions remarkably like our own — and that they can indeed feel love. By scanning the brains of dogs, Emory University neuroeconomics professor Gregory Berns has found that dogs and humans are alike in some key ways:
All in all, dogs and humans show striking similarities in the activity of an important brain region called the caudate nucleus. So, do dogs love us and miss us when we’re gone? The data strongly suggest they do. And, those data can further move humanity away from simplistic, reductionist, behaviorist explanations of animal behavior and animal emotions and also be used to protect dogs and other animals from being abused.
You can read more about his research, and what he sees as its implications, here.
More on animal emotions here and here.
You can also learn a lot about how animals — including the animals called humans — think and feel by just fucking paying attention to them and having a tiny bit of empathy. This is apparently a bit too much for some people to manage.
No so Good: Alice, baby, I didn’t say that it does. But it does support my contention that men love women more intensely than the reverse.
It doesn’t.
Not the first study:
Nor the second:
and:
That’s without the problem of the sampled group being aged 18-23: those are people who aren’t as emotionally mature as they will be; so the study; to be more conclsuive, really ought to have had a wider age range in the cohort (which probably one of the limitations Simon and Nath were referring to): at least taking the sampled set out to the mid-30, ideally getting a cross-sectional slice of all ages.
Augzillary: Good lied about his own words? Misrepresented his own argument?
Forgot that it’s still there on the page, and only needs the use of a click to, “older comments” to bring back to the light of day?
I’m shocked. Perhaps I was being too generous when I said I thought him at least as intelligent as planaria.
I’ll agree, they’re not for everyone, but all the poop is well counterbalanced.
I’d appreciate y’alls’ well wishes, the babies weren’t feeling well last night. They don’t have temperatures, we just think they had tummyaches, but I’m staring down the length of another night with a baby dozing fitfully on my lap until they finally drop off and I fall over shortly thereafter.
Being more vulnerable to emotional rollercoasters != being in love more intensely. So no.
Falconer, I hope the adorable babies feel better soon, so their parents can sleep easier!
auggziliary
I said that the study doesn’t say that women are in love with being in love. I didn’t say that I didn’t say it in my original post. You see, the person said:
“Good, sweetie, that doesn’t say that women are in love with being in love”
“That” = the study.
I said “I didn’t say that it does”.
“It” = the study.
You guys are slow on the uptake.
There is some evidence that women are more likely to have stronger support networks, which helps them recover from failed relationships faster and more completely. This also != “men love more intensely than women.”
You’re just making yourself more painful to watch.
You’re watching me? Pervert!
I am happy that katz and kittehs made up and that the firedeath person said sorry. I am a weak manginafeminist and this makes me happy.
So true. I laugh, but I cringe at the same time.
Good, can you cite actual sentences from these “studies” that support your contention that “men love women more intensely than women love men?” Because seriously, I’ve read them and they don’t say that. Cite sentences, and say which study you’re citing. It’s the way serious people make arguments. If you want us to take you more seriously than a planaria, behave seriously.
Thank you! I hope it’s just that something they ate disagreed with them.
Good, it doesn’t say that. In fact, this sentence is in the report:
“First, women do not report emotions more frequently than men.”
Also, they noted that differences in reporting frequency of reporting negative emotions for both genders becomes insigificant when income and age and whatnot are accounted for.
Anxiety and depression correlates with known research about how women were more likely to suffer from anxiety and depression.
There is nothing in here that suggests that men care more about a relationship than women. Your assumption that men feel more love for women is unfounded, especially given the fact that the authors note that
1. Anxiety and depression occur more often in women than in men, and
2. Women and men report similar amounts of emotion as a whole.
In fact, none of this has anything to do with love, but only with whether women and men differ regarding emotional expression. And they concluded that as a whole, men might be more calm, while women might be more anxious. Nothing in there about whether men love women more.
I’m technically in class, so I’m sorry if I don’t make any sense. Can someone correct me if I made a mistake?
Good, you disingenuous little shit, that is exactly what you said:
So what exactly did you mean when you stated, “While each man tends to live the woman herself, each woman seems to tend to love the idea of being in love or the idea of being loved more so than actually living these himself” if not women are incapable of feeling love?
So what exactly did you mean when you said, “…love is a novelty for women” and “This is why so many women are into shallow displays of love…,” if not, women are incapable are love?
So, what did you mean when you said, “Basically, women want to be ‘in love.'” If not women are incapable of love? Along with, women are so stupid as to throw in their lot with any man who says the l-word at them?
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And again, what did you mean when you said, “Thus, from modern western women, men no longer receive the respect afforded out forefathers as well as not receiving real love,” if not women are incapable of love?
You whole “thesis” is that women are incapable of love and only like the idea of being loved, and that men are the only ones capable of really loving another human being. And oh! Teh poor menz don’t get no respect from those eebil western women!
You may have the attention span of a flea, but others here are perfectly capable of both remembering and clicking back a page to read your words.
No telling what, though. Try as we might, everything gets taste-tested.
They haven’t tried chewing the scenery quite yet.
There is some evidence that women are more likely to have stronger support networks, which helps them recover from failed relationships faster and more completely. This also != “men love more intensely than women.”
Yet when relationships go well, men get a greater emotional boost. Do women have a weaker support network when relationships are going well?
Um, your logic train appears to have jumped the tracks. If women have stronger support networks, it would make sense that their emotional well-being is less tied to a romantic relationship, whether it’s going well or going poorly.
And it still doesn’t prove that men love women more intensely than women love men.
From your Cosmo link:
When men are going through an emotional rough spot, they often turn to their girlfriend, not their bros. And when things aren’t going so well with the GF, he might feel like he has no one to open up to. Also, guys are conditioned to keep emotions bottled up, which can end up making them feel worse and more hopeless.
Pecunium said:
Alice: the study is here It’s a 40 page pdf..
Well, the first problem is trusting Pecunium’s search. That is NOT the article. The study Pecunium links to is entitled:” Gender and Emotion in the United States: Do Men and Women Differ in Self-Reports of Feelings and Expressive Behavior?”
The study I am discussing is entitled: “Nonmarital Romantic Relationships and Mental Health in Early Adulthood. Does the Association Differ for Women and Men?”
So you all have been sifting through the wrong study arguing your asses off about an unrelated topic, that is the general gender difference in expressing emotion (nothing to do with intimate relationships).
As usual, you all allow peculiar Pecunium to make you look like fools. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Yet when relationships go well, men get a greater emotional boost. Do women have a weaker support network when relationships are going well?”
This seems to say that if the man is feeling an emotional boost, it has to be ‘taken’ from somewhere (apparently, the other person). If person X gets a boost, it does not automatically mean that person Y receives an equivalent reduction in emotional ‘boost’. Relationships are not metaphysical see-saws, where only one person can be ‘up’.
Wait, why am I arguing about this? Nevermind, going to go work on nano…
auggzillary: And it’s so boring when they don’t think we can read their words.
And that Simon and Nath study? Real nice study about gender differences and non-differences in experiencing and expressing emotion. Absolutely nothing to do with women and love, though. Absolutely nothing.
Nope, Good, I was looking at “Nonmarital Romantic Relationships and Mental Health in Early Adulthood. Does the Association Differ for Women and Men?”
Absolutely nothing to do with women and love, though. Absolutely nothing
You are correct. Pecunium linked you to the wrong study. Here is the correct study:
http://users.wfu.edu/simonr/pdfs/Simon_Barrett%20JHSB%202010.pdf
Abstract from Simon & Barrett. Again, absolutely nothing on how women are incapable of love.
Still waiting for you to back up your assertions with actual citations from the article, Good. Prove that you read it.
Nope, Good, I was looking at “Nonmarital Romantic Relationships and Mental Health in Early Adulthood. Does the Association Differ for Women and Men?”
But Alice and Sparky weren’t (and probably several others).