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A Voice for Men Gets Stung, or TheWoolyBumblebee’s Revenge

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Not the bees!

The WoolyBumbleBattle continues.

A couple of weeks back, you may recall, the excitable antifeminist videoblogger who goes by the name of TheWoolyBumblebee got herself kicked out of the A Voice for Men clubhouse after annoying Paul Elam with her incessant (but actually pretty much justified) attacks on libertarians and Men Going Their Own Way.

Naturally, there has been much drama since then.

Elam, doing his best to affect a certain world-weariness about it all, put forth a video offering his take on the subject with the understated title “On Ideologues, Isms and Evangelical Atheists.”

TheWoolyBumblebee — real name Kristina Hansen — has made no attempts to hide her feelings. She’s started a new blog called Menticulture that seems to be devoted entirely to bashing A Voice for Men. And with her husband, she’s produced not one but seven videos lambasting AVFM, ranging in length from 38 seconds to an hour and twenty minutes. The long video, by the way, is a point-by-point response to Elam’s video; a number of the more recent videos are attacks on regular AVFM contributor Karen Straughan, aka Girl Writes What. Hansen’s husband has also done a couple of videos by himself as well.

I’ve actually listened to them all, for better or worse. They’re angry and rambling, and for the most part not worth the effort —  unless you just really love schadenfreude. While some of their criticisms of AVFM are on the mark, the two go off on weird pedantic tangents and seem rather too obsessed with Girl Writes What’s lack of academic credentials. (She was evidently a two-time college dropout.) Hansen’s husband also likes calling people faggots. Lovely.

I had at least hoped for some good inside dirt on AVFM’s main characters, but the Hansens have got very little to tell that isn’t obvious from the outside: John “The Other” Hembling is a liar? Tell me something I don’t know. Elam is a tin-pot tyrant who likes to get his way? Gosh, who could have possibly guessed that?

But I suppose it’s to be expected: these two agree with the irrational antifeminism that’s at the heart of AVFM, so it’s hardly surprising that their critiques don’t go far enough, and that they get bogged down in lots of irrelevant issues.

Still, in a recent post on her blog, Hansen makes her arguments against AVFM a bit more cogently than she does in any of the videos.

After assuring readers that her attacks on A Voice for Men aren’t driven by “vengeance, hurt feelings, or a desire to one-up anyone” — not sure I’m buying all this — she charges the principals at AVFM of letting their ideological predilections get in the way of providing real practical help to men.

I suggested several things we could have done to help men, such as applying for funding for men’s services through VAWA and other Gov’t agencies, and was told that they would never touch government money because … it is against their libertarian principles, and because that is ‘what feminists do’….

I admit feminists have done a lot of harm to men and boys, but they have also done a lot of good for women and it is THAT part which we need to look at and study in order to be able to adequately assist men in any real way. It is called working the system. If you want change, that is where you go to do it, and not by sitting on the sidelines waiting for the government to collapse.

But AVFM, she notes, seems much less interested in making things better for men than in keeping men in a permanent state of rage:

[Elam] keeps men in a state of anger, and hopelessness. He perpetuates the victim narrative and tries to keep you stuck in victim mode. And he is not the only one. The inflammatory rhetoric used by those at AVFM, like John, are carefully written to get you emotionally worked up. I know this to be the case because I was on several SKYPE calls with John when he wrote many of his articles. I know how he does it and why. It’s to keep you in a state of anger and despair. …

Anyone working in the helping professions worth their salt will tell you that the goal of their work is to help their clients free themselves of the need for their help. …  But what Paul, John, Karen, and others at AVFM do, is keep you in a state of constant anger, helplessness, and need. They do not want you to get better. And why would they? … The more you rely on them the more they profit.

I don’t agree with TheWoolyBumbleebee about much, but this is spot on.

She also has some very pointed things to say about AVFM’s attempts to blame the suicide of Earl Silverman, a Canadian activist for male victims of domestic violence, on feminism.

There are men out there at this very moment that are truly hurting and suffering. Let’s start showing them we really care by doing things that make a real difference in their lives. Enough of the useless sitting on the sidelines bitching about how evil women are, how the government needs to collapse, or how the only way to solve things is to opt out. This is why Earl Silverman died. John wants to blame feminism, but the fact is that the men that were close to Earl at the end knew that his despair was borne of the failure of the MRM to actually DO anything.

Again, she has a point. By its own accounts, A Voice for Men raises literally tens of thousands of dollars a year — a considerable portion of which, I imagine, must end up in the pockets of Elam, who seems to have no other visible means of financial support, and/or in the pockets of Hembling, who has recently been promoted to a paid staff position. After Silverman’s death, AVFM raised money to help start an Earl Silverman center — a project now ironically in the hands of Hansen herself. Why couldn’t AVFM have used some of its fundraising ability to help Silverman fund his domestic violence shelter back when he was alive?

In my next post I’ll look at Girl Writes What’s response to all this.

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CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

David Futrelle

I have a bad feeling that A voice for men is going to make her enemy number one for awhile. Have the accused TheWoolyBumblebee of becoming a “feminazi” yet? If only it hadn’t taken her so long to apparently realize AVFM doesn’t really care that much about men.

Speaking of Girl Writes what, she was featured in that video I tweeted to you awhile back. Hannibal did a great job debunking her.

Buntzums
Buntzums
8 years ago

There was also a reference to John’s self medication project but that too will not come as a surprise to anyone as he is a known psychotic and sociopath who does various drugs. Wooly had lots to say. Some of it valid. Some of it weird. I still feel she is likely not a good egg.

Christo
Christo
8 years ago

I recall Paul Elam did try to get non-profit status with the government.

From a 2011 update on his blog:
“In more business, A Voice for Men is on its way to becoming a 501 (c) 3, non-profit organization dedicated to fighting misandry and anti-male discrimination. More on that in the future.” http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/site-updates/avfm-news-and-updates/

I could have missed further updates, but I never saw it mentioned again, and don’t see anywhere on his blog where he says they are non-profit, so I assume his blog was just too nasty to be approved. At any rate, even if he did achieve non-profit status, I don’t know of any government grants he would qualify for considering he doesn’t actually provide any direct services to men and boys and the overriding goal of his blog is to teach men and boys contempt for women. His excuses for why he doesn’t apply for grants doesn’t wash with me. I’m sure he would pocket ANY money that is available to him, but he doesn’t apply for government funds because it’s not actually an option for him and his nasty “organization”.

Paul Elam is making a killing on men’s suffering, a lot of which he is creating himself, along with his partner, John Hembling (John the Other), who also has a lot of motivation ($) to perpetuate the hysteria that keeps the funds rolling in. The irony is that this is exactly what they accuse domestic violence programs of doing – perpetuating violence to get rich. The difference is that shelters actually provide direct services to crime victims and help them OUT of their suffering and their employees generally work for poverty level wages, on average. Most crime victim’s advocates are not even feminists. But they don’t want you to know that.

Bottom line – convincing men and boys that women are evil, selfish, gold-digging bitches (hypergamy) who use men for their own gain, hate all men, and want to see them dead is keeping them rolling in the dough.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

@Buntzums

I don’t blame you. She still hasn’t denounced the misnamed “men’s rights movement.” From all appearances she’s just at war with other MRA bloggers now.

Christo
Christo
8 years ago

CriticalDragon1177…will you share that link of Hannibal debunking GWW here? I’d like to see it.

Buntzums
Buntzums
8 years ago

@CriticalDragon1177 No they will never feature an article about her criticisms. They know that giving her attention is bad for AVFM. They will attempt to ignore and silence WBB. I also just watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_ytQuD8DXI and it appears Danny painted graffiti for AVFM to advertise them in Hamilton a year ago and now is complaining that the feminists are covering his work up. It appears to be on a public median lol. He says it’s chalk but given that the city painted over it, I wonder about the validity of that statement.

Aruba
Aruba
8 years ago

@Christo

I just saw a video from HannibaltheVictor13 called Ultimate Guide to the MRA

I’m not sure if that’s the one that CriticalDragon1177 is referring to, but it is interesting.

theladyzombie
8 years ago

I know HannibaltheVictor (aka HannibalBarca) personally and have talked to him on Skype on several occasions. He’s a good egg. He’s done lots of videos criticizing MRAs.

arubakeru
arubakeru
8 years ago

@theladyzombie

I’m subscribed to his channel on youtube, his videos are great.

Perry
Perry
8 years ago

So, the MRA movement isn’t about helping men and boys but really is about throwing tantrums on line?

arubakeru
arubakeru
8 years ago

Perry: “So, the MRA movement isn’t about helping men and boys but really is about throwing tantrums on line?”

pretty much.

Aruba
Aruba
8 years ago

I don’t know why but my comments are getting caught up in moderation… I accidentally signed as arubakeru instead of Aruba, but the

Aruba
Aruba
8 years ago

Shit, I pressed enter too soon…

Aruba
Aruba
8 years ago

lol

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

There was also a reference to John’s self medication project but that too will not come as a surprise to anyone as he is a known psychotic and sociopath who does various drugs. Wooly had lots to say. Some of it valid. Some of it weird. I still feel she is likely not a good egg.

Buntzums: would you just PLEASE fucking stop with the internet diagnoses and ableism? I don’t know that Hembling’s psychotic, but I do know that you need to knock it off.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Back on topic, WBB is 100% right about decent people in helping professions. When I think of Elam having been a counselor, I get chills.

chibell1
chibell1
8 years ago

Over/under 5 days before thewoolybumblbee on the register-her list?

Not sure what category she would be under though, most probably a new made up one by Elam.

boumbette
boumbette
8 years ago

*gets the popcorn*

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

Perry
So, the MRA movement isn’t about helping men and boys but really is about throwing tantrums on line?

…yeah, that sounds about right.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

@Aruba

That’s the video I was talking about. Thanks for posting it here. I was about to when I noticed that Christo had asked to see it.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Yeah, can’t exactly root for either side here, but this was eerily accurate:

They do not want you to get better. And why would they? … The more you rely on them the more they profit.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

I should have linked to HannibaltheVictor13’s “Ultimate Guide to the MRA part 1” in my first comment, since that was the video I was talking about, and its an excellent video. I recommend everyone here watches it. It does an excellent job debunking Girl Writes What and her MRA talking points. I don’t know when part 2 is coming out unfortunately, but give him time. Hannibal is an excellent youtuber especially when it comes to debunking both racists and sexist MRAs. Here’s a link to his youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HannibaltheVictor13

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

“WoolyBumbleBattle”. It’s like Dr. Seuss from Hell.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

@freemage

You wrote,
—————————————————————————————————————–
“WoolyBumbleBattle”. It’s like Dr. Seuss from Hell.
—————————————————————————————————————–

What do you mean?

theladyzombie
8 years ago

@CriticalDragon

I hope Hannibal’s latest channel doesn’t get flagged down. The race realists have already taken out a couple of his channels. Also, since there’s a lot of overlap between racists and MRAs, I’m fairly sure they’ve had a hand in flagging him down.

I was talking to him while he was preparing to make the part one video. GWW has consistently pissed him off due to her anarcho-capitalist/libertarian ideals, her misrepresentation of classical history, and her evo-psych wankery concerning anthropology (he is an anthropology/classics double major).

Anyway, he’ll be pleased that his video was linked here.

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