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Matt Forney: When we call women fat sluts, it’s because we care!

Matt Forney, your argument sounds dubious at best.

Hey, ladies! You know how the dudes of the so-called manosphere are always saying horrible shit about you? They’re not doing it out of hate. No, no, they’re doing it for your own good! In a guest post on the blog Freedom Twenty-Five, Matt Forney offers women his own brand of tough (alleged) love:

The manosphere is frequently accused of being misogynistic because we mock fat girls, disdain sluts and criticize the behavior of modern women. … But scientific studies and common sense both show that women are generally happiest when they’re physically fit, chaste and focused on their families instead of their careers. Women who are virgins are exponentially less likely to divorce; women with BMIs in the normal range are more likely to have fulfilling relationships instead of being pumped and dumped; women who throw their lives into their jobs are less happy than those who become wives and mothers.

If you follow the link back to his post you will see how Forney has carefully footnoted all these assertions. For example, his line about women who aren’t fat having better relationships links to this carefully constructed academic study.

Oh, wait, that’s actually a link to a discussion on Yahoo Answers that’s full of alleged wisdom like this:

Fat women have to settle for less for the same reason that people: in wheelchairs, poor people [especially men], balding people, or single people with children have to settle for less. They have less to offer on the dating market, so; there is a much smaller pool of people willing to date them. And the people who are willing to date them are usually of lower quality.

You can’t argue with that kind of SCIENCE.

Forney continues:

Basically, for women, the modern feminist consumerist lifestyle is a path to misery and loneliness.

[Citation needed] [And by “citation” I don’t mean “some dude spouting shit on Yahoo answers”]

In light of that knowledge, ask yourself this: who are the real misogynists? The ones who are guiding women back onto the path to happiness, or the ones encouraging them to destroy themselves through poor life choices?

Here’s an example of Forney “guiding women back onto the path of happiness,” taken from an earlier post on his own blog:

Bashing fat girls is all well and good, but how many of us have taken the fight to the enemy? By not viciously rubbing their hideousness in their faces, we are encouraging fatties to blimp up even more. Silence implies consent.

Back to his Freedom Twenty-Five post:

The fact is if you defend and excuse away womens’ bad behavior, fully aware that they’re harming themselves, you don’t truly love them. If you want to avert someone from traveling down the path towards death and destitution, you’re going to have to get in their face and risk hurting their feeeelings. In that sense, not only do we in the manosphere love women, we perhaps love them more than any other men in the world.

The manosphere is a space for men, but it also doubles as a mass intervention for the female of the species. Stop crying about your hurt feeeeelings and listen up, ladies. You might learn something.

Matt Forney, you’re a shithead.

I say that out of love.

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Hank
Hank
9 years ago

I did not know this but now I am blessed and somewhat more educated.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I dunno, man. Before you start going about shaming people for their sexuality, weight, and life choices, I demand scientific studies proving the following.

1) Sluts, fat women, and career-focused women are less happy than women who are not those things.
2) This effect is not caused by some other factor (such as people being douchebags to them, or women who are virginal at marriage being more likely to grow up in subcultures that shame divorce).
3) Shaming is an effective method to get people to not be slutty, fat, or career-focused.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
9 years ago

Well, in my experience (n=1) adult virgins have a 0% probability of divorce. This is probably related to me not being married…

(I know he probably meant that women who are virgins when they get married are less likely to divorce, but… that’s not what he said.)

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
9 years ago

Stop crying about your hurt feeeeelings and listen up, ladies.

Does he think that putting extra e’s in the word feelings makes it a ridiculous concept? Would it work for other words, too? I put money in the caaaaaaaash register. So is the word cash now meaningless and silly?

drst
drst
9 years ago

Silence implies consent.

That’s why this guy should never, ever get laid right there.

Gametime
Gametime
9 years ago

Ozy, I’m confident there are literally tens of Yahoo answers proving all of those things. BOOM, SCIENCE

clairedammit
clairedammit
9 years ago

feminist consumerist

Feminism isn’t consumerist. Consumerism isn’t feminist. I agree that too much consumerism can contribute to a person’s unhappiness, but it has nothing to do with feminism.

drst
drst
9 years ago

Also as a fat career-oriented woman*, my experience disproves his thesis, therefore argument is invalid! (Hey that’s more data than he used.)

(*I’m sure Owly would call me a slut since I wore a tank top underneath a sweater that one time, but meh.)

clairedammit
clairedammit
9 years ago

Also science means something. Too many people think you can come up with a hypothesis about something you’ve been thinking about, and you’ve just practiced science. No, dumbasses, that’s like buying a garden hose and saying that you washed the car.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
9 years ago

“We love you. Now shut up because we don’t give a shit about what you think or feel”.

This reminds me of being told “quit you’re sniveling or I’ll give you something to really cry about”. Something I heard frequently as a child.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
9 years ago

While Mike (and other shitheads with a chip on their shoulder about the women around them not providing boners) silence is appreciated, I don’t give a tinkers damn about their opinion. I’m pretty sure that a large majority of the human population also feels this way. Now, how do we get Mike and his friends to understand this very simple concept?

Joanna
9 years ago

“encouraging them to destroy themselves through poor life choices?”

So touched that you care but I like making mistakes sometimes. Builds character and I learn something new ^_^

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Also this is a really abusive dynamic. “I care about you! I’m hurting you because I LOOOOOOOOVE YOU!”

skeptifem
9 years ago

There isn’t even evidence that weight is a good indicator of health. I mean fuck, hating fat women “for their own good” rests entirely on that premise and its not supported by evidence despite heaps of studies.

Creative Writing Student

Jesus Christ, what a git.

He is aware that feminism isn’t something women dreamed up because lulz, right? Feminism is the response to women as a group being unhappy with the state of their lives and coming together to combat shared grievances.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

Dear Women, who cares about you more: feminists, or angry dicks on the internet who just want to shame you for making choices that don’t please their egos and penises?

Hm. This rhetorical question leads you to a very different answer if you load it differently.

drst
drst
9 years ago

Also this is a really abusive dynamic. “I care about you! I’m hurting you because I LOOOOOOOOVE YOU!”

Exactly. “You’re MAKING ME hurt you. If you’d just stop being such a fat slut, I wouldn’t have to do this!”

Such a fucking twisted rationale. No, you are an independent adult capable of self-control who has free will. You are choosing to harm, you asshole.

Hank
Hank
9 years ago

I care that they care.

timetravellingfool
9 years ago

Women who are virgins are exponentially less likely to divorce

Heheheh, loser made a stupid mistake. I mock him.

timetravellingfool
9 years ago

‘Silence implies consent’. Actually, you not being the fucking boss of me implies I don’t need your goddamn consent for anything. Further, you not being the boss of me means you don’t have the right to emotionally manipulate me to you r own ends. So, kindly shut the fuck up now, kay? There’s a peach.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Matt, I say this out of love: I don’t give a tiny rat’s ass what your boner thinks about my appearance, career, or life in general. Take your abuser logic and cram it sideways, bubba.
I wish you self-awareness.

xoxo
hellkell

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago

In light of that knowledge, ask yourself this: who are the real misogynists? The ones who are guiding women back onto the path to happiness, or the ones encouraging them to destroy themselves through poor life choices?

But remember, it’s actually MRAs and not feminists who view women as adults.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
9 years ago
timetravellingfool
9 years ago

The fact is if you defend and excuse away womens’ bad behavior, fully aware that they’re harming themselves, you don’t truly love them.

Beyond the obvious bullshit in this statement, why are you trying to love me already? I sure as hell don’t love you. I don’t even like you. I don’t want your icky damaged version of love. Go away with it, burn it with fire, it is gross. See, this is a twisted version of mistaking patronizing control for respect. So and so obviously respects his wife/daughter/sister/mistress- he won’t let her out of the house where danger lurks, he keeps her safe. At home. With him. There is a not so subtle difference between respecting someone for who they are, or just as a human being, and valuing them for what they can do for you. Shitforbrains does not ‘love’ women or respect them, he tries to make them suitable to him so he can use them. All the while trying to convince us that we will be ever so happy if we give him hard-ons.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
9 years ago

Bleh. I almost prefer MEM super-villain style monologing, At least it’s more honest than this self-serving bilge.

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