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Men’s Rights Redditors discover a new woman to hate (and it’s one of the ones I wrote about in my last post)

Reading comprehension: a bit of a problem for the angry dude crowd. So in my post earlier today I wrote about a Redditdude who got so angry reading a relatively innocuous Forbes column by a WOMAN ON TEH INTERNET that he called her a “cunt” and threatened to murder people and got more than a thousand net upvotes. All based on a complete misreading of her article, of which he obviously only skimmed the first paragraph.

Well, now the Men’s Rights subreddit has gotten hold of the Forbes column, and they too are pig-biting mad – not so much at the column itself, which it’s clear not many of them have actually read, but at a straw column they’ve written in their heads which is nothing but EEEVIL MISANDRY.

To reiterate: Kashmir Hill’s column in Forbes notes that some people have come to regard people without Facebook accounts as somehow suspect in our hyper-connected world. Hill finds this a bit silly, and writes:

The idea that a Facebook resister is a potential mass murderer, flaky employee, and/or person who struggles with fidelity is obviously flawed. There are people who choose not to be Facebookers for myriad non-psychopathic reasons: because they find it too addictive, or because they hold their privacy dear, or because they don’t actually want to know what their old high school buddies are up to. My own boyfriend isn’t on Facebook and I don’t hold it against him (too much).

Note to the painfully literal: that parenthetical “too much” in the last sentence is what’s called a “joke.”

Naturally, Reddit’s Men’s Rights squad, not having read much beyond the sarcastic title of Hill’s piece (“Beware, Tech Abandoners. People Without Facebook Accounts Are ‘Suspicious.’”) has concluded that she’s an evil misandrist who’s demonizing men without Facebook as creepy psychopaths. Yes, in addition to getting the argument of her piece completely backwards, they’ve also decided that it’s all about men.

MauraLoona, who submitted the link under the misleading title “Men without Facebook: You’re suspicious and potential stalkers, creeps, and psychopaths” explains in a comment:

While the article uses gender neutral pronouns in some places, the message is obvious: This suspicion is directed at men.

I suspect this might be a case of xenophobia: “I am a woman and love technology, so if you’re a man and don’t share that love for technology, you’re suspicious.”

JohnTheOther, a virtuoso in the fine art of getting things wrong, offers this take:

Forbes, apparently is now in the business of creating boogiemen. No evidence of anything equates to evidence of sinister intent. What utter fear-mongering drivel.

And our old friend Liverotto concludes that when Hill says she doesn’t hold her boyfriend’s lack of a Facebook account against him (much), she’s just lying, like women do:

Yes, of course, she doesn’t hold it against him, that’s why she wrote a full article about people without Facebook being suspicious.

Women are just liars, that’s it, that’s all it is, liars and dissimulators, if you trust what a woman says you are naive.

MRAs really do live in imaginary backwards land, don’t they?

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cloudiah
13 years ago

Ban?

ConservativeCrusader
13 years ago

@Princessbonbon Follow Kirbywarp’s logic. “Question my ideas? Go look up the ideas yourself.

fembot
13 years ago

Ok I’m sick of this dumb asshat troll. Again, I implore thee, where have all the good trolls gone?

ConservativeCrusader
13 years ago

Rape jokes contribute to the “Rape culture” (which doesn’t exist) as much as the Three Stooges encourage physical abuse.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@CC:

Seriously, what is your deal with hitler? Do you think that if you successfully (in your mind) defend hitler or some aspect of his idiocy, that invalidates feminism? Not only is it a derail from an already wandering discussion, but it’s completely pointless.

(Just to let you know how little I care about this, I still haven’t looked up what the fuck Zyklon B is.)

indifferentsky
13 years ago

BTW regarding a lame list on some random person’s blog.

When people list criteria, they are to be taken together, for the most part.
Reminds me of someone trying to criticize “how to spot a trafficked person” list by pulling out things like clothes don’t fit well. Tried to make it sound like if you see someone in a crowd whose clothes don’t fit well then omg! police!!

But there are professionals that come into contact with trafficked persons that basically nobody else will come into contact with. So if someone seems out of place or without connections yet someone has control over them, or is speaking for them, and then you notice all these other normally innocuous things, then ok.

But if someone had some blog where they posted exerpts of this blog, you know what I would do? Speak to the SUBJECT. I would actually address the blog post and talk about it.
The mrm weirdo creeps that post on here don’t quote anything directly and explain or say hey I disagree with this, and most people on that site did too, etc.

Just like now CC is ignoring this post and all others.
These guys are gaslighters, which is classic abusive personality. They abuse people. They are types of abusers that always play victim and want you to prove over and over they’re abusive because they think their tactics are under the radar. Who me? Yeah you.

Gametime
Gametime
13 years ago

I’m still waiting for the math demonstrating that 23% = 0%.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

Although, in googling “jejune,” I stumbled upon this little gem:

http://jejuneinstitute.org/index.htm

princessbonbon
13 years ago

I would but I am too lazy to. So instead I will point out that yes, the rape culture exists. Exhibit A is that lame and stupid joke. And yes, the Stooges certainly did perpetuate people being violent to one another for laughs.

princessbonbon
13 years ago

Okay, I call for banning after that last “joke.”

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@CC:

Rape jokes contribute to the “Rape culture” (which doesn’t exist) as much as the Three Stooges encourage physical abuse.

Yeah, the first is in no way the same as the second. Making rape jokes makes rape seem like not a big deal when it is, which makes people treat cases of rape lightly (and does not discourage people from blaming the victim or excusing the rapist), which allows rape to continue to happen without much penalty. It also makes rape seem like something only a stranger jumping out of the bushes would do, rather than something that someone who does not recognize or care about consent does.

Ahh, but I wax on about something that you wouldn’t understand. Do continue ranting about how right hitler (or Zyklong B) was. ^_^

fembot
13 years ago

Q: What do you call a feminists getting raped by 10 guys with bombs strapped to their backs?

A: Fucked. (You triggered, bro?)

Wow. What an asshole. Ithiliana was right.

indifferentsky
13 years ago

CC doesn’t think men get raped or can be triggered by PTSD. He mocks trigger warnings, much like the MRM. I mean for a movement the claims victim status, you’re failing! You would need trigger warnings, have respect for them and understand them if you were an oppressed class.

Well this is basically just more proof you oppress each other.
So CC you like to abuse your fellow men PTSD sufferers? How nice of you.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

I thought “jokes” were supposed to be “funny.”

fembot
13 years ago

CC is the type who farts in a crowded elevator and then pushes all of the buttons so the other people are stuck smelling it for 20 floors.

princessbonbon
13 years ago

Of course you are.

Moving on to a more pleasant topic…How is school going Kirby?

cloudiah
13 years ago

I’ve emailed our dark lord about banning; he’s probably asleep. What am I saying?!??!!!? OUR DARK LORD NEVER SLEEPS.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

Okay, I call for banning after that last “joke.”

Agreed. This isn’t amusing any more…

princessbonbon
13 years ago

But Fembot, it is obviously funny…if you are two years old. And even more self centered then the average two year old.

fembot
13 years ago

@CC

You’re just stupid. And gross. Go back to wiping your boogers on walls.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@princessbonbon:

Hasn’t started yet, but it will soon I’m excited! Last year of undergrad… hopefully it’ll be a good one. 🙂

Hopefully I can keep up all the cooking I’ve been doing.

indifferentsky
13 years ago

HA! A libertarian, it gets funnier.
I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you!

cloudiah
13 years ago

Do people not know that Zyklon B was the poison (cyanide) used in the concentration camps? I guess I am older than most of you; I wish this was a thing I could un-learn.

princessbonbon
13 years ago

Hasn’t started yet, but it will soon I’m excited! Last year of undergrad… hopefully it’ll be a good one.

You made sure to do all the really hard classes last year so this year is smooth sailing right?

Hopefully I can keep up all the cooking I’ve been doing.

Now I want to go out to your neck of the woods to taste the delectable delights you have been making.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

I am a libertarian, by the way, and not a particularly a social conservative.

Gosh, I imagine none of us are surprised by this earth-shattering new intelligence. What’s especially amusing is that you seem to think this gives you more credibility, not less.

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