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Men’s Rights Redditors discover a new woman to hate (and it’s one of the ones I wrote about in my last post)

Reading comprehension: a bit of a problem for the angry dude crowd. So in my post earlier today I wrote about a Redditdude who got so angry reading a relatively innocuous Forbes column by a WOMAN ON TEH INTERNET that he called her a “cunt” and threatened to murder people and got more than a thousand net upvotes. All based on a complete misreading of her article, of which he obviously only skimmed the first paragraph.

Well, now the Men’s Rights subreddit has gotten hold of the Forbes column, and they too are pig-biting mad – not so much at the column itself, which it’s clear not many of them have actually read, but at a straw column they’ve written in their heads which is nothing but EEEVIL MISANDRY.

To reiterate: Kashmir Hill’s column in Forbes notes that some people have come to regard people without Facebook accounts as somehow suspect in our hyper-connected world. Hill finds this a bit silly, and writes:

The idea that a Facebook resister is a potential mass murderer, flaky employee, and/or person who struggles with fidelity is obviously flawed. There are people who choose not to be Facebookers for myriad non-psychopathic reasons: because they find it too addictive, or because they hold their privacy dear, or because they don’t actually want to know what their old high school buddies are up to. My own boyfriend isn’t on Facebook and I don’t hold it against him (too much).

Note to the painfully literal: that parenthetical “too much” in the last sentence is what’s called a “joke.”

Naturally, Reddit’s Men’s Rights squad, not having read much beyond the sarcastic title of Hill’s piece (“Beware, Tech Abandoners. People Without Facebook Accounts Are ‘Suspicious.’”) has concluded that she’s an evil misandrist who’s demonizing men without Facebook as creepy psychopaths. Yes, in addition to getting the argument of her piece completely backwards, they’ve also decided that it’s all about men.

MauraLoona, who submitted the link under the misleading title “Men without Facebook: You’re suspicious and potential stalkers, creeps, and psychopaths” explains in a comment:

While the article uses gender neutral pronouns in some places, the message is obvious: This suspicion is directed at men.

I suspect this might be a case of xenophobia: “I am a woman and love technology, so if you’re a man and don’t share that love for technology, you’re suspicious.”

JohnTheOther, a virtuoso in the fine art of getting things wrong, offers this take:

Forbes, apparently is now in the business of creating boogiemen. No evidence of anything equates to evidence of sinister intent. What utter fear-mongering drivel.

And our old friend Liverotto concludes that when Hill says she doesn’t hold her boyfriend’s lack of a Facebook account against him (much), she’s just lying, like women do:

Yes, of course, she doesn’t hold it against him, that’s why she wrote a full article about people without Facebook being suspicious.

Women are just liars, that’s it, that’s all it is, liars and dissimulators, if you trust what a woman says you are naive.

MRAs really do live in imaginary backwards land, don’t they?

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aworldanonymous
13 years ago

I don’t think it quite counts as ‘altruism’ to make MGTOWs put up with each other, but it is pretty funny.

I can’t see why not, they already circlejerk about how unique and independent they are on the internet, what would the removal of the screen do to their detriment?

Xanthë
13 years ago

Haven’t these delusional halfwits got something better to do than completely invert the meaning of plain words?

(Also for the ‘painfully literal’ as David put it, that question’s rhetorical; I know full well they haven’t got more useful employment for their lack of reading comprehension.)

Hesster
Hesster
13 years ago

Because one bulldog puppy is just never enough…

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNpN1_jJiA4&w=640&h=360%5D

Hesster
Hesster
13 years ago

Durnit, guess youtube’s embed code doesn’t work in comments. Anyone want to clue me in on what format to use?

Sharculese
13 years ago

just paste the url in directly

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

Just copy the video’s URL and paste it into your comment.

Hesster
Hesster
13 years ago

Thanks, guess I was making it too complicated.

http://youtu.be/fNpN1_jJiA4

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

Occasionally it doesn’t work. Usually it does, though.

indifferentsky
13 years ago

Hesster, you have to use the url that’s on top in the addy bar, sorry.

Sharculese
13 years ago

like this

KittehServant
KittehServant
13 years ago

Oh durn, my screen name had a brain fart. Vibrissimo = KittehServant. Sorry!

Hesster
Hesster
13 years ago
Hesster
Hesster
13 years ago

OK, I give up now. Maybe it’s because I’m on a phone.

indifferentsky
13 years ago

hahah yeah maybe it’s the phone thing.

aworldanonymous
13 years ago

Ok, sorry to derail, but I’m depressed, partly about a number of my own mistakes throughout life, and partly about the fact that people as hateful as the MRA and worse exist. What do I do about this, because reminding myself that they’re in the minority isn’t helping.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

Sorry you’ve been depressed. 🙁 It may help to take a break from reading about MRAs for a while.

ConservativeCrusader
ConservativeCrusader
13 years ago

I really think you should stop straw-manning the MRA movement. Most of the time, they point out legitimate troubles that aile men, but feminists completely ignore.

Myoo
Myoo
13 years ago

@aworldanonymous
You could try to read about good things to balance out the hatefulness, I guess.
You could also maybe talk to your loved ones, be they friends, family or whatever, they could help.
If the feelings persist you might want to consider therapy. There’s no shame in getting treatment for something that’s hurting you.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

I’ll tell ya one thing; the general awesomeness of the non-troll regulars around here goes a long way toward strengthening my faith in humanity.

And for what it’s worth, I include you in that, aworldanonymous. You seem pretty cool.

cloudiah
13 years ago

Ditto to comments above, aworldanonymous. You do seem pretty cool. Take care.

fembot
13 years ago

@ConservativeCrusader

lol wut?

Have you been to the Spearhead? Read the comments there? Does Oddsock, Keyster, Uncle Elmer, and Boxer ring a bell? What about reddit or youtube?

David is not presenting a strawman of the MRA movement. How is reporting exactly what they say strawmanning? And it’s not like MRAs say misogynistic things only occasionally. There is enough misogyny out there for him to make several posts a day, and still not cover everything.

It’s time for MRAs like you to stop looking the other way and conveniently ignoring the rampant misogyny that has taken over your movement. Nobody is going to listen to your concerns about troubles that ail men, because nobody wants to listen to paranoid, woman hating, incoherent, tin foil hat wearing asshats ranting on the internet. Get a clue.

clairedammit
clairedammit
13 years ago

Yeah, aworldanonymous, I’ll echo what others have said – you do seem like a good person.

When I find myself depressed because of someone else’s fucked up behavior, it’s often because I feel responsible for it somehow. This is true usually because 1. they’re a family member and we talk and I feel like I should be able to influence them more or 2. they’re strangers but I used to behave/believe the same way and I’m still feeling guilty about it. The thing is, you can’t change someone else’s behavior and attitudes. Only they can do that. So I have learned (via therapy) to give myself credit for my own attitudes and to realize that other’s belong to them and not me. They’re not my burden. It’s hard, though. (Also, I’m not sure if this is what’s going on with you, it’s just something that happens with me and maybe you can relate.)

Also, take care of yourself! You deserve to eat well, get enough sleep, manage stress the best way you can or whatever it is that you need.

fembot
13 years ago

And I agree, all the regulars here are pretty awesome. There are some really super smart people here, and I am always learning new things. And laughing 😀

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@ConservativeCrusader:

Adding to what fembot said. You know what views MRAs tend to hold when they blame David for cherry-picking/ignoring the real men’s issues? Exactly the same ones.

“What David quotes sounds bad, so therefore he must be misquoting because the MRM is not bad.”

If the above is your thought process, you need a cold glass of wake-up call. Point to the real MRM (and explain how the big names in the MRM are actually not part of the movement), or fix your own dang problems. Don’t complain when your own people are being quoted to show how terrible their views are.

ConservativeCrusader
ConservativeCrusader
13 years ago

@fembot

Those are only extremists.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/

Where is the misogyny here? In your head?