Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge, known for his violent rhetoric and rape apologia, has been arrested for death threats against police.
Not too surprising, given that he once announced on his blog that “[k]illing at least one cop is on my bucket list.”
Here are some Google-translated details from a news account here:
The right-wing extremist and anti-feminist blogger Eivind Berge has been arrested for having encouraged and glorified the killing of policemen. The police have found both ammunition and textbooks in use of explosives at Berge.
The police regard the threats as an invitation to others to kill police officers, but also feared that he would commit the acts themselves shortly.
He was evidently arrested on Wednesday. According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:
Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:
“Then I used the trial to come forward as a good example for men, and I considered it to be worth 21 years in prison for premeditated murder.”
According to this account, Berge is being held for two weeks. He claims innocence.
Berge, as readers of this blog may well already know, is a fan of right-wing terrorist and mass murderer Anders Brevik. On his blog, he’s also argued (among other things) that “Rape is Equality.”
He’s glorified the murder of police on his blog numerous times.
Some examples, taken from the second news account:
“… attack on the police is something 100% in harmony with everything I stand for.”
“I maintain that police murder is both ethically and tactically correct.”
Some other examples, direct from his blog (each paragraph is from a separate post; click on the quote for the source):
I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list.
If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty.
This was his reaction to a news story about a police officer being killed:
Good news for men is rare in this hateful feminist utopia that is Norway, but today is a joyous day! Today I feel schadenfreude in my heart along with all the hate that feminism and resultant mate deprivation have instilled in me. One blue thug less on the streets.
From another post on the same subject:
The swine Olav Kildal died while trying to enforce our lack of cognitive liberty. This was a defensive, much deserved killing that cheered me up.
Here he threatens a female prosecutor:
To feminist prosecutor Anne Cathrine Aga I have the following message: The Men’s Movement is watching you, bitch, and we are seething with hatred against you personally and the police state you represent. Actions have consequences. Trials are still (mostly) public and they sink into our collective minds, where they form the basis of future activism. Hate breeds hate — that is a fact of life too smugly ignored by feminists. …
2011 is the year Norwegian men as a group emerged out of the blogosphere and into the battlefield. This in turn has led to a breakthrough for MRAs such as my good self in the public discourse, probably for the simple reason that the powers that be now realize ignoring us has deadly consequences. Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.
Aside from the explicit threats of violence, the violent and threatening rhetoric here is not unlike much of the rhetoric we see regularly on A Voice for Men and other MRA sites. AVFM founder Paul Elam, for example, told one feminist that:
I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. … We are coming for you.
The blogger Emma the Emo, Berge’s girlfriend, has posted comments here in the past defending him. The news account quotes someone identified as Nataliya Kochergova, described as his girlfriend; I assume this is “Emma,” because what she told the media is similar to what she posted here. She of course denies that he planned any real violence. According to the article, she said:
There are not really threats. He has never had plans to kill someone, he has said several times in his blog. When for example, he says that “the police killings are an effective way to prevent stupid laws,” it’s a factual description and not a threat. Even those who love the police agree with it.
Berge, for his part, has stated publicly that if he had not met Emma, he probably would have killed by now:
At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway’s first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as “Emma.”
This is why I take violent rhetoric from MRAs very seriously.
Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, MRAs glorify MRA “martyr” Thomas Ball, who killed himself on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse last year in hopes that his death would inspire MRAs to literally burn down courthouses and police stations.
Ball’s manifesto is still up on A Voice for Men in its “activism” section, including these passages:
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … This is too important to be using that touchy- feeling coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers
AVFM tastefully omitted Ball’s specific instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, but left this in:
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.
For many more examples of violent threatening rhetoric from MRAs, I urge you to go through some of my posts here and here.
@themisanthropicmuse
I’m not trying to convince you of anything, I’m just informing you. You can only be convinced of a new truth when that truth is dictated by the majority of opinion, or what you’re told the majority of opion is. When women used to dress and act like animals in heat they were called homewreckers. The herd changed directions and now women slutwalk and call themselves empowered. Women used to chastize men for being drunk, the herd changed direction and women get drunk all the time, their truth has changed. Women would sneer at prostitutes and revile men who see them, although men are still reviled as using women for seeing prostitutes, the prostitutes are victims or empowered, the herd changed directions. A womans truth is simply whats fashionable at any point in history. Women used to think abortion was an abomination, the herd now says it’s a right, women’s truth has changed again.
David, I’m curious, have others preominent MRAs websites mentioned Berge, in good or bad?
I hate to defend Eivind Berge, but he hasn’t actually killed anyone. Or even, as far as I can establish, raped anyone.
While I’m firmly in favour of the police getting involved, he hasn’t yet crossed the lines that Lepine, Sodini and Breivik emphatically did.
(That was a reply to Quackers, btw)
And I predict more denial. Denial that he’s an MRA, denial that the MRM is violent and misogynistic yet more thinly veiled threats that’s ‘this is what’s “unfortunately” going to happen when you push men far enough’
Literally the only difference between NWO’s spiel about weak-willed women and the regendered counterpart is that the regendered version doesn’t play off of common stereotypes and gender roles the way the original does.
They have about the same rhetorical value though.
@Wetherby
True, I should have worded it better. He may not have killed but he advocates violence and rape and made it clear that he wants to kill. Its still disgusting.
@Quackers:
Well, as you are well aware, every movement has its kooks. Berge is just an extremist that doesn’t reflect the MRM proper.
… In that his death threats and anarchical ramblings were a bit more explicit than is acceptable.
It’s actually rather alarming that such a small movement has already produced 3 mass murderers. I can’t think of another similarly sized movement with that kind of track record. Which is rather funny in context, since new troll said this.
“This man may hold certain MRA views, but he is also fundamentally at odds with the principles of nonviolence woven into the movement. It’s an oxymoron, just as you might claim a pro-life feminist is.”
Huh. For a movement with nonviolence woven into it there sure has been a lot of violence already.
Kyrie, I’m not sure. I don’t think I’ve seen him mentioned at any of the big MRA blogs; he may have been on some of the smaller ones, like some of those in his blogroll. At some point I’ll take a more systematic look. He mostly seems to have been ignored. (My guess is that he probably came up from time to time on In Mala Fide, but it’s gone now.)
Emma the Emo, his gf, seems to have more of a following amongst “mainstream” MRAs — there’s a post from her blog on the r/mr front page right now.
NWO said:
Wait, I thought women who dress and act like animals were called “furries.”
@kirby
Hah…exactly. I don’t know what disgusts me more, out in the open violent threats or that bullshit faux sadness MRAs claim when men shoot their ex wives and then in the next sentance declare that this happens when you kick a dog when they’re down.
@NWO:
Now I’m curious. How would you explain all the men hold the same opinions that women do? Are they just following the herd? Are they the herd itself? Are they just trying to appear cool to the women in order to get laid?
Actually, that last one wouldn’t make sense, because otherwise women would be the only onese making social changes, and men would be following them… in which case it would be men following the herd. Not to mention that none of this has any historical backing whatsoever (pretty sure the leaders of most civil movements have been men).
@Zanana: There were a couple of guys (or maybe one guy and one sock) here from an Incel site, trying to talk about it, and I (who definitely had been celibate not by choice for much of my adolescence and twenties) tried to talk to them on that very issue–their only response was that more or less, yes, a few women who identified as incel (I really loathe that term) did go to the site, but it was clearly different for women, not as bad, not as hard, and not really the same. So, if those dudes were at all representative, I doubt it will help that much or put much of a dent into their self-pitying and woman-blaming narratives.
@CassandraSays
“It’s actually rather alarming that such a small movement has already produced 3 mass murderers. I can’t think of another similarly sized movement with that kind of track record. Which is rather funny in context, since new troll said this.”
I can’t think of any movement that’s kidnapped the children from so many fathers. Destroyed so many lives. Placed men in debtors prison. The list of State sponsored atrocities is endless.
That Emma the Emo post is a piece of work. Boys can’t be raped by women apparently. Also, Eivind appears in the comments, saying the same thing.
I don’t think much will happen to him, based on what they’re reporting in Norway. The evidence they found in his apartment doesn’t sound very convincing, and he will claim the blog is political speech not evidence.
Stormfront has a post up on him, but apparently he isn’t racist enough for them. Haven’t seen anything in the “manosphere” yet.
NWO, you have that resource. Everybody has that resource. And then the other person has the resource of saying no. This has nothing to do with gender. It has to do with the fact that here on planet Earth, people of all genders have standards and commitments and feelings and are not actually just sex receptacles.
@kirbywarp
The number of men actually following the herd is infintesimal. Men such as yourself will do anything or say anything to ingratiate themselves into the good graces of any woman to achieve validation by any woman, and the few white knights who’d kill or die to protect even the foulest woman. Both are essentially the same, between a lifetime of indoctrination and a distorted sense of chivalry they place women above men, always.
I noted Eivind Berge’s absence from David Futrelle’s Boob Roll. I thought it meant Berge was too far beyond the pale to be commented on and brought attention to.
Here are some of my favorite Eivind Berge quotations:
Female-on-male “rape” would thus be like a reverse robbery, analogous to someone forcing money into your pockets or breaking into your home to leave a pile of money. — Eivind Berge
The only way I can maintain the belief that rape for a woman is a horrible experience is to accept that women’s experience of it is radically different than mine, as the thought of any woman forcing herself on me is sweet or neutral at worst if she is really ugly. — Eivind Berge
Since the proximate purpose of life for males is gaining access to women’s bodies, of course women can’t be rapists. — Eivind Berge
Yes, rape can indeed be compared to money or other such materialistic things as well as status because in the mating game a man’s resources is the equivalent to a woman’s body. — Eivind Berge
At the moment it is literally impossible for me to have sex without being a criminal. Rape or prostitute, either way I am going to jail if caught. — Eivind Berge
I am fully disabused of any notion that women intrinsically admire me as I am and somehow desire sex with me, and fully aware that forcible sex with me will be a very traumatic experience because I am so undesirable. — Eivind Berge
I lead a sober lifestyle and avoid fights, but if attacked by cops or other male feminists, I am extremely motivated to kill them in self-defense. — Eivind Berge
There is no such thing as an ugly 20-year-old and no woman can be smoking hot at 50. — Eivind Berge
Since sex is a female resource, any male is only lucky to get sex from women regardless of whether he is underage, forced or whatever. — Eivind Berge
The only arbiter of value in the universe is the pussy. — Eivind Berge
The notion that females can be rapists or sexual abusers is a feminist lie based on denying human nature, which serves their hateful feminist police state and abuse industry. — Eivind Berge
@Polliwog:
Ah, but you see, men will fuck anything that moves. So they’re ability to say “no” doesn’t count (since they would never say “no”), and really only the woman matters. And since men never say no, and therefore are the only ones who ask for sex, women should never say no either because that’s only fair.
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*farrrrrrrrt* [been reading too much SRS]
“A womans truth is simply whats fashionable at any point in history.”
Cultural ideas about what’s acceptable change over time as the society we live in changes. How is this a woman thing and not a human one?
“The only way I can maintain the belief that rape for a woman is a horrible experience is to accept that women’s experience of it is radically different than mine, as the thought of any woman forcing herself on me is sweet or neutral at worst if she is really ugly. — Eivind Berge
Sweet? That is the oddest use of the word “sweet” that I’ve ever seen. Like, what, he’d find it adorable and endearing? There is something very wrong with this man.
Also, he contradicts himself here.
I am fully disabused of any notion that women intrinsically admire me as I am and somehow desire sex with me, and fully aware that forcible sex with me will be a very traumatic experience because I am so undesirable. — Eivind Berge
So which is it? Do women find sex with men who they’re not attracted to unpleasant or dont they? The more of this guy’s stuff I read the more Emma baffles me.
There is no such thing as an ugly 20-year-old and no woman can be smoking hot at 50. — Eivind Berge
As a person who is attracted to women I have to point out that both of these statements are incorrect.
Well fuck. Attempted to be satirical, and I’m ninja’d by Eivind fucking Berge. Well that’s just swell.
@Polliwog
“NWO, you have that resource.”
No man has that resource. We can clearly see that by the comments. Every woman here has made it abundantly clear that you know women’s sexuality is a resource. Over and over every woman here has ridiculed any men who say, “I would never fuck her.”
What possible threat could it be for a man to say he wouldn’t have sex with a woman? She could have 20 suitors lined up in a minute. Every woman here could walk into a bar or a mall and say I’m willing to have sex and within 60 seconds someone will be happy to accomodate her.
Women use sex and their gender to exploit, manipulate and get what they want all the time. Why else would men put up with the things women say and do, where if a man said or did the same they’d get an ass kicking? Women constantly say shit to men that men never say to each other because they know they can get away with.
That’s not actually how linguistics works, but still.
If men should be allowed to rape because they’re sweetly gaining proximity to women’s bodies for the mating game, or whatever the fuck other vomit this man’s come up with, are gay men allowed to rape men? Or is that somehow different? Where do gay women fit in?
It’s probably a bad sign that the heteronormativity leaps out as more unexpected to me than the rape apologia.